Best Primarch/legion in terms of void warcraft?

[DJ CSplash]

So as some of you may know, each of the 18 original Astartes legions had their "niche" style of combat and warcraft. Subterfuge/assassination could be Alpha Legion, attrition/siege Iron Warriors, and Night Lords with terror/disorder tactics. Was their a primarch that amongst the brothers was known as the best naval commander? Was their a legion that excelled at space battles or were they all by default (the whole Space Marines name) good at void warfare?

[DJ CSplash]

there* not their.

[Greyfrog]

Horus says the only primarch he didn't want to face in void warfare was Ferrus Manus if that helps

[Cormac]

none of them, as far as i know... some may be great at bording actions, others were better used in wide free areas. but in real "ship to ship" combat, all space marines #would# try the same effective tactic: get close and get ready to board.
even in the "old days" they got normal humans as admirals&commanders in space, and even though they may be under command of said space marines, i think in nearly all cases those space marines had to trust their captain to get them to their target.... alife, not dead

[Captain Michael Vulpi]

yes but there are factions within the space marines and chaos ie pre badab the astral claws or post badab Red corsairs( i may be wrong on their name) that are masters of void warfare hell my home made chapter(renegade kind of it's a little complicated) are masters of void warfare,boarding actions and by extension pretty damn good at urban warfare which is kind of the point of 40k it's about your dudes make and paint a army that fits well you.

[Cormac]

(just searched through the wiki)

Originally posted by Captain Michael Vulpi:

yes but there are factions within the space marines and chaos ie pre badab the astral claws or post badab Red corsairs( i may be wrong on their name) that are masters of void warfare hell my home made chapter(renegade kind of it's a little complicated) are masters of void warfare,boarding actions and by extension pretty damn good at urban warfare which is kind of the point of 40k it's about your dudes make and paint a army that fits well you.

the red corsairs are a renegade chapter (no longer spacemarines) that lead pirates, so i don't think they would follow their primarch path.

than again, we are talking about uber-humans, that are bigger, stronger and better than any human could ever be, equiped with armor, unable to be used by a normal human (look up auto senses for that matter), humans best used in close combat.
they are not fit for beeing used as a "ship to ship" combat force, instead, only able to be used as a boarding party within said ship to ship combat.

yes, you are right, there are some space marine chapters and legions better suited for combat within enclosed space (inside ships), though to be fair, that is better compared with urban warfare than space battles, right?

[76561198026799754]

Coff Coff impereial fists phonex guard in 30k total void combat, as well as all their breacher squads were traind fully for void war fair and with the Iron hands. their breacher squads and medusin imortals also specked in void combat. as for in todays 40k fluff ya none of them speck for void war fair wich blows. :-(

[Captain Michael Vulpi]

Originally posted by Cormac:

(just searched through the wiki)

Originally posted by Captain Michael Vulpi:

yes but there are factions within the space marines and chaos ie pre badab the astral claws or post badab Red corsairs( i may be wrong on their name) that are masters of void warfare hell my home made chapter(renegade kind of it's a little complicated) are masters of void warfare,boarding actions and by extension pretty damn good at urban warfare which is kind of the point of 40k it's about your dudes make and paint a army that fits well you.

the red corsairs are a renegade chapter (no longer spacemarines) that lead pirates, so i don't think they would follow their primarch path.

than again, we are talking about uber-humans, that are bigger, stronger and better than any human could ever be, equiped with armor, unable to be used by a normal human (look up auto senses for that matter), humans best used in close combat.
they are not fit for beeing used as a "ship to ship" combat force, instead, only able to be used as a boarding party within said ship to ship combat.

yes, you are right, there are some space marine chapters and legions better suited for combat within enclosed space (inside ships), though to be fair, that is better compared with urban warfare than space battles, right?

well given their increased mental abilties as captains they will probably pretty damn amazing as they can process data far faster than the average captain but yeah not as fighter piolts or something also urban combat and combat within the bowels of a ship can be alot alike given the size of ships in 40k

[Cormac]

yeah, but would you train a space marine as a captain, only able to use ~20% of his true potential up there instead of "down here"`?^^
also, getting through that horrible spelling (yeah, i'm not better sometimes^^) the breacher squads are just part of a huge legion, and while those legions using those squards may be facing space combat more often than other legions, i don't think we can asume them having some of those squads means they are focusing their attention on those ships...

also, i think using space marines as a boarding crew may be a bad idea, you won't be able to fire at those ship, else you would risk killing your own space marines (imperial guards are expandable, space marines are not), getting into those ships with droppods is easy, but getting them out is way to dangerous (for them)

[crisaron]

Being put on a ship as a captain is seeen as in insult. It happens, when a SM is crippled they have done it where they are tied to the ships command chair like a huge dreadnought.

[Captain Michael Vulpi]

Originally posted by Cormac:

yeah, but would you train a space marine as a captain, only able to use ~20% of his true potential up there instead of "down here"`?^^
also, getting through that horrible spelling (yeah, i'm not better sometimes^^) the breacher squads are just part of a huge legion, and while those legions using those squards may be facing space combat more often than other legions, i don't think we can asume them having some of those squads means they are focusing their attention on those ships...

also, i think using space marines as a boarding crew may be a bad idea, you won't be able to fire at those ship, else you would risk killing your own space marines (imperial guards are expandable, space marines are not), getting into those ships with droppods is easy, but getting them out is way to dangerous (for them)

except we have alot of accounts of lightning strikes and boarding assualts by space marines(their name kind of indicates a level of skill in naval or in this case void combat) and I see no reason that say a company captain would not also be trained to be a captain of his company's strike cruiser and or battle barge also I didn't know you could inflate a imperial guardsman like a balloon.

[Captain Michael Vulpi]

Originally posted by crisaron:

Being put on a ship as a captain is seeen as in insult. It happens, when a SM is crippled they have done it where they are tied to the ships command chair like a huge dreadnought.

depends on the chapter for a fleet based chapter it seems more likely that being a captain of a ship would be a great honor as well you are pretty much in charge of the most important thing to the chapter.

[Cormac]

maybe? maybe not? i don't know? is there any books that may cover that? (i kinda doupt it, and we won't get anythink out of rulebooks about that, i fear)

while i've not sources, i think i would agree to crisaron.
a space marine lives for fighting those xenos/heratics. it's not just their job, its their hobby as well as their lifes goal. if someones would tell them, they will never again be able to fight face to face with the enemy of their god emporer..... while a dreadnought can still fight the enemys directly, a captain would sit in his chair, unable to do anything themself.
let's ignore those librarians or other psykers within space marine orders, ok? even the capter master is still a frontline fighter, maybe some of them choose not to, instead, leading the troops from the back row, but they still have to option to jump into combat at any point of time

[Captain Michael Vulpi]

Originally posted by Cormac:

maybe? maybe not? i don't know? is there any books that may cover that? (i kinda doupt it, and we won't get anythink out of rulebooks about that, i fear)

while i've not sources, i think i would agree to crisaron.
a space marine lives for fighting those xenos/heratics. it's not just their job, its their hobby as well as their lifes goal. if someones would tell them, they will never again be able to fight face to face with the enemy of their god emporer..... while a dreadnought can still fight the enemys directly, a captain would sit in his chair, unable to do anything themself.
let's ignore those librarians or other psykers within space marine orders, ok? even the capter master is still a frontline fighter, maybe some of them choose not to, instead, leading the troops from the back row, but they still have to option to jump into combat at any point of time

I hate to be that guy but your entire arguement is based on the rather shakey ground that because he is the captain of the ship means he can't leave the ship I am willing to bet once they reach the planet in question it's bussiness as usual as in lead and or get stuck in with his men on the ground and you can see a pretty good examples of space marines as captains in the Soul Hunter novel series.

[Cormac]

Originally posted by Captain Michael Vulpi:

Originally posted by Cormac:

maybe? maybe not? i don't know? is there any books that may cover that? (i kinda doupt it, and we won't get anythink out of rulebooks about that, i fear)

while i've not sources, i think i would agree to crisaron.
a space marine lives for fighting those xenos/heratics. it's not just their job, its their hobby as well as their lifes goal. if someones would tell them, they will never again be able to fight face to face with the enemy of their god emporer..... while a dreadnought can still fight the enemys directly, a captain would sit in his chair, unable to do anything themself.
let's ignore those librarians or other psykers within space marine orders, ok? even the capter master is still a frontline fighter, maybe some of them choose not to, instead, leading the troops from the back row, but they still have to option to jump into combat at any point of time

I hate to be that guy but your entire arguement is based on the rather shakey ground that because he is the captain of the ship means he can't leave the ship I am willing to bet once they reach the planet in question it's bussiness as usual as in lead and or get stuck in with his men on the ground and you can see a pretty good examples of space marines as captains in the Soul Hunter novel series.

captains as in 'ship captains' or captain of a squad?
well, for a captain to 'leave' his post in a ship may result in bad moral, lessens the effectivness of the vassel and so on.
than again, i said i've no sources, so yeah, if there are those space marine captains, i'm happy to admit that i'm wrong

[Captain Michael Vulpi]

Originally posted by Cormac:

Originally posted by Captain Michael Vulpi:

I hate to be that guy but your entire arguement is based on the rather shakey ground that because he is the captain of the ship means he can't leave the ship I am willing to bet once they reach the planet in question it's bussiness as usual as in lead and or get stuck in with his men on the ground and you can see a pretty good examples of space marines as captains in the Soul Hunter novel series.

captains as in 'ship captains' or captain of a squad?
well, for a captain to 'leave' his post in a ship may result in bad moral, lessens the effectivness of the vassel and so on.
than again, i said i've no sources, so yeah, if there are those space marine captains, i'm happy to admit that i'm wrong

that would be a sergant of a squad captain has command of the entire company and given that not only is master of the fleet an honorary title given to high ranking space marines within the chapter usually a captain I willing to bet that usually the captain of the company also has command of the company's strike cruiser/battle barge(depending on the chapter) and much like say in Star Trek has a second in command that takes command when he is on the ground chopping up orks into sashimi.