Good game with some weird SJW elements. Conctructive criticism.

[Asperger Berzerker]

This post is long, but intedned to be constructive. I would like a polite discussion, not rants and name-calling.

So, I bought this game because I loved POE. Like POE, Tyranny has a lot of good elements in the game system and a pretty cool world to explore and get involved in. The weird thing is, the world is basically an inversion, or bizarro-universe version, of a Bronze Age setting.

1 ) You have a huge, disproportionate number of females both in leadership and in combat.
2 ) You spend most of the first act beating them down and intimidating them.
3 ) Men are present, but they are typically portrayed as oafs or bastards who need a stronk womyn to lead him and show him the way. This would be OK if it was just one culture or nation, but literally the whole world is copypasta'd from a blue-haired feminist's Xena fanfiction.

Another forum member mentioned that the Young Kingdoms might be fighting for their lives, and so conscripting females made sense as a last ditch effort. I might agree if that were the case but... they're not conscripting females, literally every culture you come across is a feminist matriarchy whose professional military is run and staffed by a majority of women. Even the beastman race is stronk womyn feministz. This is Sonic-fanfiction level schlock.

It gives the game a very weird vibe when you spend most of your time as a warrior/emmisary of a god/hero literally beating the crap out of women. If the devs wanted to make a feminist universe, they went about it all wrong. You literally meet stronk tumblr womyn for most of the first act and then brutally victimize them and deliver them to sadists in the Chorus to victimize.

I like this game, I loved POE and I want future projects by this team to be a critical and commercial success. Here is some advice from a life-long RPG gamer:

1 ) Your audience for this type of game is going to be mainly young men. Young men do not enjoy beating down women and gutting them with a sword, even if she is a stronk gender warrior of tumblr. Men want to fight and best other men in combat, or fight and slay monsters.

2 ) We do not like to be lectured by stronk womynz about how men are useless brutes and women are basically better, bla bla bla. This is not just a feature of Eb being a bit of a loony, but a constant theme repeated throughout the game. It's very annoying to have tumblr feminism woven into the very fabric of the narrative at every turn.

I am not saying that you can't have a strong femal character, or a female "warrior princess" or "Red Sojna" type hero.

The point I am making is that this game includes women as the overwhelming majority of "good" characters and leaders, only to have them beat down and reduced to tears in a way that definitely is not satisfying to the player. I don't like the idea of brutalizing women. There's no honor in it, even if she's a "warrior." I do like the idea of my character and team competing with other men-at-arms and monsters to conquer a nation, secure treasure, or accomplish some other goal.

I don't know what you look for in a heroic fantasy RPG (and yes, I know you work for the "villain" but you have heroic options), but conducting a massacre of girls is not exactly enjoyable.

[Jotun]

引用自 Kalitz：

It's a feminist fantasy game lol

Indeed. You play an egalitarian faction and you crush sexist bigots who thinks women are superior. What is not to like?

[BarcaS]

Well, mate, seems you have a problem with yourself and your chauvinism. Unfortunately, it is obvious that you are oblivious to that.

1 ) You have a huge, disproportionate number of females both in leadership and in combat."

So? Having a huge, disproportionate number of males would be alright?

2 ) You spend most of the first act beating them down and intimidating them.

So?

3 ) Men are present, but they are typically portrayed as oafs or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s who need a stronk womyn to lead him and show him the way. This would be OK if it was just one culture or nation, but literally the whole world is copypasta'd from a blue-haired feminist's Xena fanfiction.

So? Btw, not true - but even if they are portrayed like that question stands "so?"

Another forum member mentioned that the Young Kingdoms might be fighting for their lives, and so conscripting females made sense as a last ditch effort. I might agree if that were the case but... they're not conscripting females, literally every culture you come across is a feminist matriarchy whose professional military is run and staffed by a majority of women. Even the beastman race is stronk womyn feministz.

If every nation is a patriarchy, that wouldn't be an issue?

1 ) Your audience for this type of game is going to be mainly young men. Young men do not enjoy beating down women and gutting them with a sword, even if she is a stronk gender warrior of tumblr. Men want to fight and best other men in combat, or fight and slay monsters.

First of all, you are not a representative of what "young men" want. I am not sure when I gave you permission to talk on my behalf, anywayZ. Second of all, you are acting like this because you feel that fighting women is dishonorable. Why would *anyone* want to fight worthless opponents?

2 ) We do not like to be lectured by stronk womynz about how men are useless brutes and women are basically better, bla bla bla. This is not just a feature of Eb being a bit of a loony, but a constant theme repeated throughout the game. It's very annoying to have tumblr feminism woven into the very fabric of the narrative at every turn.

Feeling bad in a surrounding you are not used to, eh? Do you, gasp* feel gasp* as an oppressed gender in Tyranny? We wouldn't want someone like you to feel like that, god forbid.

The point I am making is that this game includes women as the overwhelming majority of "good" characters and leaders, only to have them beat down and reduced to tears in a way that definitely is not satisfying to the player. I don't like the idea of brutalizing women. There's no honor in it, even if she's a "warrior." I do like the idea of my character and team competing with other men-at-arms and monsters to conquer a nation, secure treasure, or accomplish some other goal.

The point you are making is very clear to anyone who wants to see. You are a chauvinist that regards women as weaker gender, and like you said "there is no honor in it", not to mention that even word WARRIOR is put under quotes. I, on the other hand, have no issues with playing a game where women rule supreme and to kill pixels - no matter their "race" or "gender" because I can understand that my opponents' strengths and weaknesses are not tied to their species or with what they have in pants. I also have no issues playing a game where I can be in a situation to be bested by, for you, lesser, worthless opponents.

Lemme tell you something, perhaps it will dawn on you /but I won't hold my breath/ - mate, and now stay with me, YOU ARE SJW here. You are having issues that you are put in the world where you are the oppressed gender. You are having issues that you cannot get used to the role of being regarded as not important in grand picture. You, literally, have problem with FANTASY setting that is not REAL enough to look like the setting you are used to - and that setting would be where men are the strongest with occasional "error in universe" woman that has risen to the stature of being equal to men.

Long story short - there are a lot of games where you can live your fantasy of a strong, masculine, role-model alpha-male. Maybe, just maybe, you could, you know, go away?

[Miles]

You feel bad that you have to kill people in a game advertised as a game in which you play an evil charecter?

I fail to see why the gender of the charecters matters in this case.

This post has alot of benevolent sexism in it, meaning you are putting women on a pedastle of virtue by saying that you feel bad about fighting them.

Your prefernce however, seems to be all the men in the world do the important fighting and leading while the women do what? Be in inn/shop keeper?

[Holylin]

A great Post BarcaS !

[chacolil]

OP, I think youre reading too much into the story to forcefully portray it as a feminist's dream world. None of your arguments made sense to me. First off, the entire world is not a copy paste of the same matriarchal society as the Younger Realms, rather, its that the conquest you are participating in IS in the Younger Realms, therefore all their society follows the same political system. You cant expect New York to have a different system than California when they are both part of the United States, its something similar to that statement. Secondly, I dont fighting against the opposing army should be seen as beating down women senslessly, Im surprised youre even forcing yourself to look for this. If you go to a war, an enemy is an enemy, its not about them being a woman or a man. And the gender doesnt necessarily dictates how good a soldier they can be. Although physically, with the same amount of training, I do believe men will be superior to women(just in case, not meant as an insult to women just a personal view), that doesnt means a woman will be a weaker soldier, especially in a lore where there is magic involved. Anyways, I really couldnt pinpoint very well what type of criticism you were trying to convey, but I really didnt agree with your main points of discussion.

[War Crimes Appreciator]

That wall of text is really funny. Leftists are so far up their rectii they can't notice that their faith has zero overlap with reality.

Women. Can't. Be. Foot. Soldiers.

Granted, Tiers is desperate and I'd get rebels conscripting women. They ran out of men already, after all. But why would Northern Empire send it's females to the front lines when they should be giving birth to next generation of warriors, traders, and Archons? That's most important reason why you don't conscript women.

Secondary: Strength/Endurance. Soldiering life is about marching a lot while carrying a lot, and sometimes fighting.

Tetriary: Add a woman to a male group and instead of a squad you get a bunch of dudes fighting over a girl. U.S conducted some tests and found out that mixed gender squads have cohesion rating below 50%. For comparison, a disciplined Marine squad is close to unity, while a lynch mob is estimated to have cohesion of roughly 60%. You heard that right - a lynch mob is more coherent and reasonable than a squad with a woman in it.

[Multihog]

引用自 Chrille：

it´s...just..a...game. omg.

Except it's not. SJW-culture is widespread, and every bit counts. Video games are a fine vessel for spreading SJW propaganda.

[Corpulent_Al]

Again, black people shouldn't be there either. But at least the neegers can get killed.

[War Crimes Appreciator]

Just to note: SJW means Specialist Jewish Warrior.

[shinros]

引用自 Jotun：

引用自 Kalitz：

It's a feminist fantasy game lol

Indeed. You play an egalitarian faction and you crush sexist bigots who thinks women are superior. What is not to like?

I don't care for this debate but this is essetinally correct. I recall kicking the female rebel leader off the spire with a note.

[Miles]

引用自 Bloodgay：

That wall of text is really funny. Leftists are so far up their rectii they can't notice that their faith has zero overlap with reality.

Women. Can't. Be. Foot. Soldiers.

Granted, Tiers is desperate and I'd get rebels conscripting women. They ran out of men already, after all. But why would Northern Empire send it's females to the front lines when they should be giving birth to next generation of warriors, traders, and Archons? That's most important reason why you don't conscript women.

Secondary: Strength/Endurance. Soldiering life is about marching a lot while carrying a lot, and sometimes fighting.

Tetriary: Add a woman to a male group and instead of a squad you get a bunch of dudes fighting over a girl. U.S conducted some tests and found out that mixed gender squads have cohesion rating below 50%. For comparison, a disciplined Marine squad is close to unity, while a lynch mob is estimated to have cohesion of roughly 60%. You heard that right - a lynch mob is more coherent and reasonable than a squad with a woman in it.

You're such a joke. I can't find anything in you post that is factually true.

I'm positive your a troll just starting trouble, so keep trying I'm sure someone will bite.

[Cord Hetzer]

I didn't have any problem with the amount of women in the game's various militaries, but I have to admit that at some points the "woman in command"-scheme seemed a bit forced.
An overwhelming part of officers or just "persons of importance" is female.

I perfectly understand this for the Tiers, they are matriarchy after all. But it is told on more than one occasion that in Kyros' empire men and women are equal in everything - nonetheless it seems that for the most part women occupy the leading roles in Kyros' armies (Disfavoured and Scarlet Chorus).
When suddenly in the middle of the game characters started speaking of Kyros as "her", I couldn't help myself but think: "Okay, now the evil overlord everyone regarded to as male suddenly is female - I got it Obsidian, women are strong and independet and leaders and commanders don't need to be men, please stop forcing it down my throat!"

Interestingly all but one of the archons are male. The only female one is a 15 year old girl. :/
It's almost like everywhere in this world women are in charge, but most of the really important people the player really can interact with and talk with them about their backstory in great detail are male.
Seems to me Obsidian was like "Yeah, let's show everyone we support strong women by putting them in charge in our world - but not characters you actually talk to too much, we don't really know how to portray them in depth."

[Holylin]

In every fantasy rpg that I have played so far there where male and female opponents and allies and I have played games for a very long time.
Has anyone complained about Lara Croft being female, running around and being a hero and doing soldier ♥♥♥♥ and climbing?
Has anyone complained about Aribeth being a Paladin and leader in NWN?
In most of the games you can choose the gender of your hero in in no game I have played there where penalties or buffs of any kind because of this.

The games I play and love always had this element in them and I dont want them to change this?
Why should they? Just because OP wants more fing D.I.C.K.S in his game?
Insecure much?
This has been practice in gaming and fantasy for 20 years now and if you dont like it, then go home and write your own D.I.C.K flooded computer game.

[Miles]

引用自 shinros：

引用自 Jotun：

Indeed. You play an egalitarian faction and you crush sexist bigots who thinks women are superior. What is not to like?

I don't care for this debate but this is essetinally correct.

Ok c'mon.

Isn't a major theme in this game that Tunon, and Kyros' laws are not fair and are used to actively administer evil in the guise of lawfulness.

For example, when the Fatebinder killed two Scarlet Chorus who are raping a recruit if you support her it Tunon mad at you, while if you punish the fatebinder that makes Tunon happy.

[BarcaS]

引用自 Holylin：

A great Post BarcaS !

Thanks.

This is a fantasy setting like any other game. It is the same as "feminists" *under quotes because that's not feminism* having issues that there are prostitutes in GTA that you can have for money and treat as worthless. NEWSFLASH - it is a game that represents what is actually happening in real life. And those same "justice warriors" have no issue with three protagonists /Trevor in particular/ going on killing sprees entire game and they are all... males.

So, I will repeat myself - this is a F-A-N-T-A-S-Y and as in every fantasy, rules are what the one writing the settings wishes them to be. In one of the DnD campaigns I played - we stumbled in Underdark where Dark Elves rule. For those not familiar - Dark Elves are matriarchal society where men are literally seen as worthless as Lloth /Lolth/ prefers women over men. My party had issues on each and every step as they are all male characters. I had to put an illusion spell over myself *luckily I am master illusionist wizard* to camouflage myself to look and sound like a woman. It went well until I talked about myself using male pronounce. Had to use phantasmal killer spell on a few drows after.

Long story short - if Op wishes to have his privileges back, perhaps he should turn off computer and go outside.