Lethian Crossing HELP

[REMOVED.Inchoate]

How do i get across Lethian Crossing without killing Bronzo Brotherhood? I'v have finished Act I siding with Disfavored.

[Bedlam]

I had to kill the brotherhood to get across. Only way I could find.

[Eelectrica]

I was able to talk my way across after conversing with the brotherhood leader who's weird name escapes me.

[Fimbul]

Okay besides the Bronze Brotherhood making absolutely no sense in terms of writing and lore: How did you manage to sway Raetemmon? He totally shuts down after calling me a Disfavored sympathizer and neither Welby nor Will offer any other ways to cross the bridge. And that's with me being a Diplomat with high lore.

Did you side with the Chorus in the prologue? Why do they even know who I sided with and why would it make a difference to them? Isn't it enough that I'm a fatebinder of Kyros, whom they are at war with? They are at war with Kyros, aren't they? Because I wouldn't know from the difference between what they're talking and how they're acting. Damn, those guys are a mess!

[2fishy]

I agree, Bronze Brotherhood make no sense lore-wise. They act arrogant as if I was not a representative of Overlord who conquered all known world. They care about who I sided with. They don't offer anything, like a quest or a fee, to let me pass. I really feel like I'm missing something, because simply slaughtering them should not be the only option available.

[pinewoodpine]

Apparently it's possible to talk Raetemmon down, although I'm not exactly sure what is the prerequisites to get it. My guest will probably be one of the options that you choose during Conquest.

Either way, I wiped them out. You don't ask a Fatebinder of Tunon to pay tolls. Especially when said Fatebinder reminded you that the land that you stand on is owned by Kyros.

[2fishy]

Originally posted by pinewoodpine:

You don't ask a Fatebinder of Tunon to pay tolls. Especially when said Fatebinder reminded you that the land that you stand on is owned by Kyros.

My thoughts exactly.

[sonntam]

I was independant and talked Raemonn down. I first talked to his lieutenant, then let the merchant pass, then I was respectful to him and got away without a fight.

[2fishy]

Originally posted by sonntam:

I was independant and talked Raemonn down. I first talked to his lieutenant, then let the merchant pass, then I was respectful to him and got away without a fight.

Clearly the question is for those who sided wis Disfavored, becaused that seems to be the only problematic path.

[pinewoodpine]

Originally posted by 2fishy:

Originally posted by sonntam:

I was independant and talked Raemonn down. I first talked to his lieutenant, then let the merchant pass, then I was respectful to him and got away without a fight.

Clearly the question is for those who sided wis Disfavored, becaused that seems to be the only problematic path.

Makes sense as well as I sided with the Disfavored too - and Rmon really REALLY hates the Disfavored. Although originally I thought it might have something to do with me letting the Disfavoured taking control of Lethian's Crossing during Conquest (which got the Brotherhood kicked out of town) AND sided with the Disfavored later.

[Fimbul]

Yeah, I've looked further into it: Players who sided with the Disfavored have to put the Bronze Brotherhood to the sword. It's because they're with the Voices of Nerat or something. I guess I have to do the Chorus story line to really get what difference that makes. The way I see it Kyros is the one who wants to take the land from the Brotherhood that the Voices of Nerat payed them with for their service, doesn't change when you're with the Chorus.

Anyway it sucks because Welby obviously could be reasoned with, but she turns hostile as well when you attack. She could have been like: "Oh you so you attacked Raetemmon, guess this is a chance for me to ally with you and take over the Brotherhood. I know where he's hiding.", but no...

[2fishy]

Originally posted by Fimbul:

Yeah, I've looked further into it: Players who sided with the Disfavored have to put the Bronze Brotherhood to the sword.

And then when I put them to the sword their leader shouts something about having a snake among their ranks. It sounds really weird, like he considered me some kind of friend or ally beforehand. Seems like a plot hole to me.

[pinewoodpine]

Given that he is almost crazy by the time you catch up to him in the Old Walls, I suspect that the Voices might have influenced/brainwashed him as he was quite a different person before the Conquest (another contender will be the imprisoned Bane, but that doesn't explain how it could have first influenced Rmon into trying to free it). Having serious trust issues didn't help his situation as well.

[2fishy]

OK, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing an option less trivial than a plain slaughter.

[Fimbul]

The really confusing thing about this is why they don't attack you immediatly. They recognize you as a fatebinder and then go on and boast about how they resist Kyros: "Hey fatebinder, your boss is a ♥♥♥♥! Look, killed us some Disfavored over there. Whatcha gonna do about it, fatebinder?... Ufff uh oh heyyy don't push me, you're a meany *pout*!"
Worse than that it is implied that there is a quest line about contested leadership that is in no way available to you if you sided with the Disfavored, so what's the exposition for? Just make a check for it and have them attack on sight!

[pinewoodpine]

Originally posted by 2fishy:

OK, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing an option less trivial than a plain slaughter.

Well, execution and genocide reading edicts is sort of in the job description.