Why Kyros is considered evil?

[kirill-busidow]

Can someone explain please why game labels Kyros as evil ruler? What exactly he does to be considered such?

[Sai Kyouji]

Because Kyros is Caesar that didnt get turn into porcupine

[ACExtravaganza]

At the OP's request, the following are reposts of detailed examitnations of the Overlord regarding the nature of their evil.

引用自 Inconnu：

I don't think Kyros is any more objectively evil than most other real-world conquerors. Rule through brutality and cruelty is hardly uncommon. Just look at ancient Rome, Ghengis Khan and the Mongolian horde, or any number of others. He/she/it even surpresses dangerous information and keeps literacy to a neccesary minumum among the loyal. Was burning the Vellum Citadel that much different from the sacking of the Library of Alexandria?

He/she/it doesn't seem to seek genocide of any specific race of people (even Beasts), like, say, Hitler. Just absolute control. Of course, from many NPC's perspective (possibly even PC), the evil is definitely there.

As Brennus said: "woe to the vanquished".

引用自 Frankske：

The morality of the characters/factions of Tyranny is definitely a good cause of discussion. The fact of world conquest and the urge "to bring order to the world" in itself is not enough to be pure evil. But what of what he allows the scarlet chorus to do? Forcing people to kill their own family, raping, murdering, absorbing people into the archon's psyche,... I know it's from a very our-world perspective. We know at times our armies commit autrocities - murder, rape, torture,... But we condemn it. We hold the perpetrators accountable, and judge them for it - at least in those cases where he public becomes aware of it. This is why our armies are superior to the ones we''re fighting... right...? Not because they don't commit those autrocities... but because we disapprove of it, and condemn the perpetrators...?

The morality of this is complex. But for me, from my point of view, a conqueror who allows rape, murder, massacre,... is inherintly evil.

引用自 Ichthyic：

引用自 Orthocenter：

The game doesn't really label Kyros as evil. Like many things opinions vary depending on which npc/faction you're talking to.

well, no emporer is usually described as evil in their own empires. It's pretty clear that those who fought to be free of Kyros did not look favorably upon being absorbed into that empire.

probably a mimic of the Roman Empire, only worse, as Kyros has "edicts" that can cause genocides all by themselves.

so is Kyros evil?

if you think mass genocide, absorbing entire peoples as slaves or soldiers and wiping out their history, and creating armed forces that are literally trained in rape and "conscription" isn't evil... then I would worry for your ability to judge the world as it is now, in reality.

I do think there are a lot of people that would prefer the old Roman Empire these days.

引用自 Rev：

Waging war just because you want more power is evil. Conquering countries just for the sake of conquering them is evil. And attacking civilians is evil too. And don't forget his Archon of Plague...

Of course, characters say Kyros doesn't want scorched earth to rule, but he allows to kill civilians, enslave them, she uses Edicts to make meadows into deserts (hunger will follow). We know he has laws to defend kids, but he also has merchant quotas which can make wool trader into gem trader next year or other way around and laws about sharing between rich and poor countries, but does it make him good? She just has an Empire to rule so some basic rules should be placed to take hold on it. We also don't see much of her rule because we are on frontier there Kyros' laws weren't placed so we can't say how cruel or liberating are they.

Basically, we don't feel his evil much because MC has high status in his Empire and North by birth. Our position gives us a lot of freedom to do as we please (hey, we can even side with rebels and call it justice!).

Thinking of Empires of past some can dream to live in them, but they always consider themselves to be some rich and influental, never considered option to be unimportant, poor or slave or another race or culture.

引用自 ACExtravaganza：

By any modern standard, Kyros is a brutal tyran who oppresses the known world with an iron fist. She orchestraits your ascention, tolerates beings like Nerat, and effectively nukes people so they keep fearing and revearing their power.

By bronze age standards, Kyros is INCREADIBLY progressive. Gender equality, equal protections under the law, punishments similar to those of Hamurabi's code, potential for advancement regardless of birth.

It's easy to see the good Kyros brings to such a primitive world, but we can't forget the horrors they both allows and encourage in their name. They're Ghengas Khan or Julius Caesar with superweapons. A world united under their empire for centuries, especially if they have passed on and the empire is being maintained by others, one that slowly liberalizes as the world has over the past thousands of years, would remember Kyros as a visionary and hero who united the world and brought equality, peace, and unity. This does not make Kyros good by any stretch of the imagination, though.

[Humble]

It's very simple good are not to harm other, helping other to do good, so go on while evil doing harm to other, withhold helping when had a ability to do so when knew someone need helping, cause other suffering. Do Roman fit those good or evil? petty much evil, so was every nation are evil, even usa is evil, thought mix with good and evil because cause harm and suffering on other. if one do little evil to do greater good is are evil, it's just like little drop of oil in drinking water, it's just no good.
Sure people don't like thier nation are evil, but they don't want to know truth and dream that thier nation is goodly boot but are not.

[Theshadowman]

引用自 Big Boom Boom：

And for all we know Kyros may try to unite humanity in an attempt to ward off some ancient evil force, no?

That would be too cheap even for Obsidian.

Moral relativism is disgusting.

[Zetachron]

To OP:

In the eyes of our own society he's evil because he doesn't use democracy and favors dictatorship as a tyrant.

But looking through the eyes of the game world he's practically good, as all his opponents are even worse. A bunch of selfish barbarians that seek to destroy each other without regret. They can only ally on threat of survival and some can't do this even then. Almost like the native americans that hated and killed each other until they were wiped out.

The only exception is Tunon and he thinks Kyros brings order to the land. That means the land is either in anarchy of eternal local warfare or ordered tyranny. And tyranny is better than anarchy. There's simply no democratic peacekeeping party in the game that is able to make peace with its neighbors.