why do people like these games?

[Buzzerker]

I bought Pillars of Eternity , thought it would be incredible but I hated it. I think Bioware does a better job at making these kinds of games. Now I realize i will get some hate over this but one game in particular , Dragon Age 2 , I love the way they handled combat in that game. I hate Inquisition and the story of Dragon Age needs to be better but the interactions between characters , the cutscenes , the progression of the story it's just far superior to games like these that mimic Baldur's Gate , which is the progenitor of this 'style' of rpg. Too bad Bioware strayed off their own beaten path , they were making new ground into old territory instead of what this game does. I didn't buy it , but I saw the videos , I'm sure the writing is enjoyable but I just cannot get into the gameplay itself , I think games like Baldur's Gate and all it's successors should be buried alive and forgotten. Used as a foundation for progression into something better. Tyranny is a step in the opposite direction. Even if it has some qualities to it.

[zault]

Lets make of list of all the reasons of how Dragon Age 2 was rushed.

1. EA, need I say more?

2. Level design. Lets just put broken wagons that block off paths on the same damn map, over and over again. Then when people complain about this call it "artist design choice". Yes, This happen.

3. Not a single choice matters

4. Endless amount of emenys spawning out thin air.

5. If you stop at Act 2, the story may of been decent. Act 3 kills the game and is a complete mess/joke/rushed/wast of time.

I could go on honeslty.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by Naithil:

I was gonna say that probably this kind of games is just not for you and its fine, everyone with his own tastes. No hate or anything. Theres people who like hack and slash games and action RPGs and theres people who like more settle kind of games which involve alot of reading and not much action.
But it was until i got to the "I think games like Baldur's Gate and all it's successors should be buried alive and forgotten" and now i'm more inclined to think that you just lack a brain power for such games if you make such statements and should stick to more simple go-there-shoot-this type of games

Well you'd be wrong about that brain power , I also play Hearts of Iron IV which is an excellent game. All I am saying is this from of the rpg is outdated and needs to be modernized , it's not like it cannot be done. I think it's a case of nostalgia being beaten to death, zombified , repackaged and sold over and over again. It's a broken record. Same old song and dance.

[zault]

Originally posted by Fallensoul:

With an opinion like that he's bound to land a high spot in EA surely. A perfect fit^^

He didn't know EA owns Bioware unitl the thread. Like I said, it explains a lot.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by zault:

Originally posted by Fallensoul:

With an opinion like that he's bound to land a high spot in EA surely. A perfect fit^^

He didn't know EA owns Bioware unitl the thread. Like I said, it explains a lot.

I knew I just forgot . Bioware is still up there so they bought their ideas and they probably still have some of their old employees.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by zault:

Lets make of list of all the reasons of how Dragon Age 2 was rushed.

1. EA, need I say more?

2. Level design. Lets just put broken wagons that block off paths on the same damn map, over and over again. Then when people complain about this call it "artist design choice". Yes, This happen.

3. Not a single choice matters

4. Endless amount of emenys spawning out thin air.

5. If you stop at Act 2, the story may of been decent. Act 3 kills the game and is a complete mess/joke/rushed/wast of time.

I could go on honeslty.

You did not go to Act 3? you must lack patience , what about character development? Story? replay value....you didn't want to see how it ended? lol...I still don't know! hahaha

[zault]

I beat the game 2 times. Where does it say I didn't go into Act 3?

[Ray tracing is faster]

Originally posted by zault:

Saying RPG's should be more like Dragon Age 2 than Baldur's Gate is about the worst opinion on videos games I've ever heard.

Yes, I have trouble taking the OP seriously but I'm going to try.

First of all, he admitted to never playing Tyranny but only watching videos.

Dragon Age 2 is a solid demonstration of how an RPG can go wrong in every way imaginable. You loved its combat? It is an awful attempt at mixing tactical RPG elements (pause-and-play) with fast paced action, and ends up being a rather clunky action game instead with none of the tactics. Every battle is just waves of enemies, with the enemies spawning right in front of you like some early 2000s Japanese action game. Same goes for the animations. Then we have the awfully repetitive environments and how much that stupid game drags on, and all the cringe worthy moments especially the ending boss battle.

BioWare's story progression is far superior? It seems that your main reasoning for this claim is cutscenes. Cinematic approach isn't inherently superior, it's just your preference. Beyond this stylistic presentation, both Tyranny and BioWare games seem about equally predictable (that is to say, entirely predictable but I have not finished Tyranny yet), but Tyranny's progression contains much more role-playing than every BioWare game since KOTOR.

I understand the sentiment that Tyranny is a step in the wrong direction for being 2.5D (imitation 3D), considering 2.5D was only chosen back in the 1990s because 3D graphics were not capable enough. 3D is infinitely superior for sure, not to mention this game arguably looks worse than Infinity Engine games. That's about as far as the regression goes.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by GND Jester:

Originally posted by zault:

Saying RPG's should be more like Dragon Age 2 than Baldur's Gate is about the worst opinion on videos games I've ever heard.

Yes, I have trouble taking the OP seriously but I'm going to try.

First of all, he admitted to never playing Tyranny but only watching videos.

Dragon Age 2 is a solid demonstration of how an RPG can go wrong in every way imaginable. You loved its combat? It is an awful attempt at mixing tactical RPG elements (pause-and-play) with fast paced action, and ends up being a rather clunky action game instead with none of the tactics. Every battle is just waves of enemies, with the enemies spawning right in front of you like some early 2000s Japanese action game. Same goes for the animations. Then we have the awfully repetitive environments and how much that stupid game drags on, and all the cringe worthy moments especially the ending boss battle.

BioWare's story progression is far superior? It seems that your main reasoning for this claim is cutscenes. Cinematic approach isn't inherently superior, it's just your preference. Beyond this stylistic presentation, both Tyranny and BioWare games seem about equally predictable (that is to say, entirely predictable but I have not finished Tyranny yet), but Tyranny's progression contains much more role-playing than every BioWare game since KOTOR.

I understand the sentiment that Tyranny is a step in the wrong direction for being 2.5D (imitation 3D), considering 2.5D was only chosen back in the 1990s because 3D graphics were not capable enough. 3D is infinitely superior for sure, not to mention this game arguably looks worse than Infinity Engine games. That's about as far as the regression goes.

DEFINE ROLEPLAYING in Tyranny, I don't have to play the game to know what it's like , I own Pillars of Eternity and this game is almost identical. You may enjoy collecting all that worthless crap and spending all those countless hours , bascially what you see as quality is all in your head. The writing and the reading but not the game itself , the quality of the game is an illusion. You are basically reading an interactive fantasy novel , a pick your own path adventure that is linear in nature.

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Originally posted by Buzzerker:

Originally posted by Naithil:

I was gonna say that probably this kind of games is just not for you and its fine, everyone with his own tastes. No hate or anything. Theres people who like hack and slash games and action RPGs and theres people who like more settle kind of games which involve alot of reading and not much action.
But it was until i got to the "I think games like Baldur's Gate and all it's successors should be buried alive and forgotten" and now i'm more inclined to think that you just lack a brain power for such games if you make such statements and should stick to more simple go-there-shoot-this type of games

Well you'd be wrong about that brain power , I also play Hearts of Iron IV which is an excellent game. All I am saying is this from of the rpg is outdated and needs to be modernized , it's not like it cannot be done. I think it's a case of nostalgia being beaten to death, zombified , repackaged and sold over and over again. It's a broken record. Same old song and dance.

What a bozo. Listen here schmuck, these games get made and get bought because they're FUN. Doesn't matter if we're 2016 or 2089 or 1995. The only thing that matters is that top down isometric RPGs are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fun.

And dragon age 2 is a very mediocre and forgettable game, let alone an RPG.

I wish there's a way to keep chumps like this guy out of steam. It's fine to have an opinion but saying let's bury a whole genre because I'm too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid to play it is just asinine .

[zault]

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

Originally posted by zault:

Lets make of list of all the reasons of how Dragon Age 2 was rushed.

1. EA, need I say more?

2. Level design. Lets just put broken wagons that block off paths on the same damn map, over and over again. Then when people complain about this call it "artist design choice". Yes, This happen.

3. Not a single choice matters

4. Endless amount of emenys spawning out thin air.

5. If you stop at Act 2, the story may of been decent. Act 3 kills the game and is a complete mess/joke/rushed/wast of time.

I could go on honeslty.

You did not go to Act 3? you must lack patience , what about character development? Story? replay value....you didn't want to see how it ended? lol...I still don't know! hahaha

5. If you stop at Act2. "If".

Reading, it's hard I know, that's why you want more RPGs like Dragon Age 2. No need to read, just look at the pretty pictures next to the dialogue wheel.

Oh lets add in:

6. Half of the ♥♥♥♥ you say when clicking on the Dialogue Wheel, isn't said or said wrong.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by sMull:

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

Well you'd be wrong about that brain power , I also play Hearts of Iron IV which is an excellent game. All I am saying is this from of the rpg is outdated and needs to be modernized , it's not like it cannot be done. I think it's a case of nostalgia being beaten to death, zombified , repackaged and sold over and over again. It's a broken record. Same old song and dance.

What a bozo. Listen here schmuck, these games get made and get bought because they're FUN. Doesn't matter if we're 2016 or 2089 or 1995. The only thing that matters is that top down isometric RPGs are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fun.

And dragon age 2 is a very mediocre and forgettable game, let alone an RPG.

I wish there's a way to keep chumps like this guy out of steam. It's fine to have an opinion but saying let's bury a whole genre because I'm too retarded to play it is just asinine .

why do you have to resort to name calling? Have I insulted you in any way? I don't think you're even worth arguing with , you are too emotional , over a game.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by zault:

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

You did not go to Act 3? you must lack patience , what about character development? Story? replay value....you didn't want to see how it ended? lol...I still don't know! hahaha

5. If you stop at Act2. "If".

Reading, it's hard I know, that's why you want more RPGs like Dragon Age 2. No need to read, just look at the pretty pictures next to the dialogue wheel.

Oh lets add in:

6. Half of the ♥♥♥♥ you say when clicking on the Dialogue Wheel, isn't said or said worng.

I've spent most of my life reading books , I play PC games because they are different than a book is , both have their value. I even sometimes read books on my PC but I don't want one in an rpg game. I prefer a PC game to be just that. I don't mind some reading but I do not think the foundation of a game should resemble a book , a good game tells a story through the design and the playing of the game you should not have to read a thousand lines of text while playing it. It should use graphics more than text the percentage of text should not ecllpse the gameplay itself. Acted , voiced dialog in an rpg also improves immersion. Excessive Text harkens back to the days when some rpg games were nothing but text.

[Nait]

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

Originally posted by Naithil:

I was gonna say that probably this kind of games is just not for you and its fine, everyone with his own tastes. No hate or anything. Theres people who like hack and slash games and action RPGs and theres people who like more settle kind of games which involve alot of reading and not much action.
But it was until i got to the "I think games like Baldur's Gate and all it's successors should be buried alive and forgotten" and now i'm more inclined to think that you just lack a brain power for such games if you make such statements and should stick to more simple go-there-shoot-this type of games

Well you'd be wrong about that brain power , I also play Hearts of Iron IV which is an excellent game. All I am saying is this from of the rpg is outdated and needs to be modernized , it's not like it cannot be done. I think it's a case of nostalgia being beaten to death, zombified , repackaged and sold over and over again. It's a broken record. Same old song and dance.

You think that all those people that bought the game and helped crowdfund PoE did it only because of nostalgia? Then HoI is also outdated - theres already games like Total War and Company of Heroes which have far better graphics and more action in them.
If you cant understand something and how people can have fun playing it then simply dont judge.
I play these RPGs since the first BG and PST came out but i also enjoyed DA 2 and its fun in its own way and i dont say that such games shouldnt exist

[AoX]

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

I bought Pillars of Eternity , thought it would be incredible but I hated it. I think Bioware does a better job at making these kinds of games. Now I realize i will get some hate over this but one game in particular , Dragon Age 2 , I love the way they handled combat in that game. I hate Inquisition and the story of Dragon Age needs to be better but the interactions between characters , the cutscenes , the progression of the story it's just far superior to games like these that mimic Baldur's Gate , which is the progenitor of this 'style' of rpg. Too bad Bioware strayed off their own beaten path , they were making new ground into old territory instead of what this game does. I didn't buy it , but I saw the videos , I'm sure the writing is enjoyable but I just cannot get into the gameplay itself , I think games like Baldur's Gate and all it's successors should be buried alive and forgotten. Used as a foundation for progression into something better. Tyranny is a step in the opposite direction. Even if it has some qualities to it.

No hate intended. Honnestly. But the answer to your question is simple: the reason people make these games that you don't like is... Yourself.

Dragon Age 2 is still hated to this day, as one of the biggest let downs after DA:Origins. And frankly was quite disliked in the RPG community at release, with it's use of rehashed places (same dungeon layouts over and over with just a couple of closed paths), a main town that doesn't evolve etc.

So if one of your favorite RPG is one of the most disliked... Well maybe the issue is you, you just have very specific tastes that are ... Uncommon.

[Buzzerker]

Originally posted by Naithil:

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

Well you'd be wrong about that brain power , I also play Hearts of Iron IV which is an excellent game. All I am saying is this from of the rpg is outdated and needs to be modernized , it's not like it cannot be done. I think it's a case of nostalgia being beaten to death, zombified , repackaged and sold over and over again. It's a broken record. Same old song and dance.

You think that all those people that bought the game and helped crowdfund PoE did it only because of nostalgia? Then HoI is also outdated - theres already games like Total War and Company of Heroes which have far better graphics and more action in them.
If you cant understand something and how people can have fun playing it then simply dont judge.
I play these RPGs since the first BG and PST came out but i also enjoyed DA 2 and its fun in its own way and i dont say that such games shouldnt exist

Okay I see why I'm getting all this defensiveness . Let me explain why I said it. The reason is that if major develpers spend their time using old forms of design and they sell , and are popular , what is the incentive to improve? IF for example , computer chess stayed popular and made money , than why make a game like Hearts of Iron IV? That's where I was coming from ...to summarize and condense it for the sake of brevity.