Awful and Boring Combat - Can't play the game.

[Big Poppa Shmee]

So, a friend mine who had 2 CD keys for the top edition of the game knew I liked Baldurs Gate 2 and decided to gift me this game. I thought, cool! I get to be evil! I was excited until I got into the game and started actually playing it. Long, LONG amounts of dialog, which is fine, I'm used to BG2, but the combat and abilities and tree's etc, just plain boring.

I'm always a caster to start, always loved playing the Mage/Wizard in BG2 and in D&D in real life. But wow, so boring and unimaginative. I don't feel like I'm in a fantasy universe I where the sky is the limit, I feel like I'm on rails and my abilities have been hyper balanced, leading to a "woop de doo" sort of feel regardless of what the ability does.

I've played this for 17 hours and probably near half of that time was literally me being alt tabbed and either afk or watching youtube or even having another game open and forgetting to close Tyranny. I just can't get into it. The story and lore doesn't particularily grip me, the characters, eh. My character, eh. The FEELING of the game is just so completely off.

This game doesn't hold a candle to BG2. The people that make these games know that all these other games came before it. Neverwinter Nights and its expansions, Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark, badass game, literally played through that whole story one after the other probably like 10 times. Wonderful game. Neverwinter Nights 2, while not as good as its original (in my opinion) and not as good as BG2, was still a great game.

BG2, with its insanely memorable character cast that you will be able to quote and remember until the day you are on your death bed 60 years from now. Then you got games like Tyranny, who are obviously trying to emulate these older games especially BG2 and fall so damn short its a joke. The combat, the characters, the pacing, the story, there isn't a single thing Tyranny does better except perhaps the amount of dialog and lore and the explanations of everything as well as how your actions affect the story. That's it.

I guess I'm spoiled by these older games and I wish I could give Tyranny more of a chance but everytime I open the game and begin to play, I'm disappointed and sour about what it lacks compared to the games that inspired it rather than what it has.

[Sygmaelle]

remove your pink glasses. its almost impossible to get back in NWN / Baldur's given how dreadful and insipid the combat is

[suejak]

Interesting. I played BG/2 at release, hated NWN and NWN2. Tyranny is better than any of those games, in my opinion, losing out only to Planescape: Torment.

I think the only BG character I remember is Minsc.

Not sure I agree that Tyranny was shooting to emulate BG2. The latter is very ho-hum fantasy, largely on rails but still good, whereas Tyranny is a very different, new sort of fantasy world that borrows most of its story-heavy, choice-heavy core design more from titles like Fallout than from BG.

[Rowley]

Baldurs' Gate, NWN, et cetera were all based off of a comprehensive, pre-existing ruleset that was distilled from tabletop/pen and paper so that it could be crammed into a computer game. Modern isometric RPGs have rulesets inspired by that, but not actually based on them, and thus tend to be created specifically for the game itself, and, I cannot stress this enough, manageable gameplay.

It is silly to compare the old-style RPGs made specifically for what boils down to the kind of fans that will actually do the math and grab a notebook to create their own areamaps--to well, an increasingly accessible counterpart.

Face it, NWN and Baldur's Gate were really kinda out there when it came to player accessibility. You could play the game blindly and do fine on low difficulties sure, but if you actually wanted to understand half of the mechanics and not get ****ed by some random, obscure rule (and thus have to reload a dozen times when you got to certain encounters), you had to do a lot of reading and number crunching. This kind of thing has an audience, but that audience is very niche and unlikely to make great sales (nowadays). It unfortunately also means that the magic system doesn't get to be as complex, because if you ever wanted to do much with the one in NWN/BG, you really had to get into it based on things like saves or DC checks. Most people do not want to do homework. Tyranny has some arcane nonsense too, sure, though not quite the same level of it.

It just sounds like you're incredibly nostolgic and can't get over that. The games you list were all pretty great for their time (and indeed I loved all of them, so don't assume that my notes about the ruleset is an actual complaint) but their stories are really nothing special. Fan-created modules are what really kept NWN alive and breathed life into the game--or any purpose of going back and playing longer. Baldur's gate's party and their interactions were great and Tyranny doesn't hold up to it, sure. But on the flip side, in BG/NWN games your choices didn't mean jack ****. There were virtually no real consequences to your actions in-story, or if there were, they'd be irrelevant about thirty minutes later. Tyranny does a pretty good job of consistently changing the world to reflect the consequences of your actions by contrast. One thing I do absolutely love about BG is that you can **** up and cause your party members to ditch you, while in Tyranny they'll find excuses to stay. Or you could make a wrong dialogue choice at one point and twelve hours later find out that it ruined your romance (unlike every other Bioware game ever.)

Dragon Age: Origins is probably the best modern example of a spiritual successor to games like those you champion in your post. The sequels, not so much, but the original game was explosively open-ended, complex, and replayable, and moreover its spell system was a pretty good blend between the complexities of a DND game and the accessibility that modern audiences prefer.

It is unfortunate, but you're probably not going to find the style of games you like anymore other than the occasional gem unless you look through indies very thoroughly. The genre and audience have both shifted over the decade and ultimately what sells is going to be what people decide to keep making. I strenuously disagree with your complaints that Tyranny does nothing better than those old games, as such blanket statements are ludicrous. BG and NWN had their objective flaws just like any other game. Tyranny is a good game for what it aims to do, though few will say its GOTY material by any measure--it was a relatively small project in the first place.

Edit: As a last note, the combat in Tyranny is pretty sub-par in general, you're not wrong. I simply mean that its unfair to compare it to games based on tabletop, because BG/NWN didn't actually create the spells/combat style/whatever that they use, while Tyranny uses its own system.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by SecretlyaFish:

I've played this for 17 hours and probably near half of that time was literally me being alt tabbed and either afk or watching youtube or even having another game open and forgetting to close Tyranny. ppointed and sour about what it lacks compared to the games that inspired it rather than what it haI just can't get into it.

Lol, you quote it as a consequence but pretty sure it's a cause. You can only get bored by a game you play like that, incredible.

It's ridiculous why play something that bores you. And don't play if it's to do some total crap in parallel, play some mobile phone instead.

[Ninja Cat]

learn how to get rid of your nostalgia. BG2 wasn't nearly as good as everyone makes it out to be. the old d&d ruleset sucks. you just aren't giving them a chance. i used to be this way. i could see complaining about the story in PoE being lame, but tyranny was great. maybe you should stop multitasking and treat the game like a novel; hopefully you've read one and have some experience doing that; if not just abandon all hope of ever enjoying a new game with text and a story. try mobile games like candy crush if your attention span is short.

[Big Poppa Shmee]

Originally posted by Ninja Cat:

learn how to get rid of your nostalgia. BG2 wasn't nearly as good as everyone makes it out to be. the old d&d ruleset sucks. you just aren't giving them a chance. i used to be this way. i could see complaining about the story in PoE being lame, but tyranny was great. maybe you should stop multitasking and treat the game like a novel; hopefully you've read one and have some experience doing that; if not just abandon all hope of ever enjoying a new game with text and a story. try mobile games like candy crush if your attention span is short.

You are literally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you think that multiple playthroughs of neverwinter nights 1 and 2, Baldurs Gate 2, Dragon Age Origins, and countless other rpgs as well as who knows how many forgetten realms fantasy novels from R.A. Salvatore, Ed Greenwood and other well known authors makes my attention span short. Most likely, you are threatened by me not liking something you are fond of and feel the need to attack my sensibilities and who I am over it, which is something 12 year old kids do, congrats. Also, while not intuitive 2nd edition D&D is perhaps the most beloved edition to oldschool fans. I prefer 3.5, but saying it "sucks" when you likely aren't even a real fan of the tabletop just makes you ignorant.

The combat blows. Its awful. I didn't find the story particularily interesting when the bread and butter of the game to me, building my character to fit into that story, is boring and unimaginative. Only one person made a good post. ONE. Read Clocked Destiny's post because he obviously gets what I'm trying to say. To be fair, they made this combat system seemingly from scratch but its still boring and slow and unimaginative regardless. It couldn't pull from rules from the D&D, couldn't use their spells or stat rulings etc. My favorite caster is to summon creatures to do my bidding. Elementals, Demons and Devils, or Angels while I buff myself and go invisible hurling debhillitating spells at the tougher enemies. Can't do that in Tyranny at all. The sheer amount of spell combinations along with setting up ambushes and traps, archers and rogues and fighter abilities to deal with each each encounter is staggering.

The REALLY telling part is the community around each game. Baldurs Gate 2 has a HUGE mod community, most from people who loved the game SO MUCH they learned to coding of the game and learned to use the engine to enhance what they already loved. Where are the mods for Tyranny hmm?! Where are those updates and expansions people want. Likely this game will be lucky to get one subpar expansion, then fade into nothingness as newer games come out. BG2's mods are still updated almost 20 years from its release, and will be remembered forever. Tyranny won't be remembered at all.

Originally posted by Cloaked Destiny:

Baldurs' Gate, NWN, et cetera were all based off of a comprehensive, pre-existing ruleset that was distilled from tabletop/pen and paper so that it could be crammed into a computer game. Modern isometric RPGs have rulesets inspired by that, but not actually based on them, and thus tend to be created specifically for the game itself, and, I cannot stress this enough, manageable gameplay.

It is silly to compare the old-style RPGs made specifically for what boils down to the kind of fans that will actually do the math and grab a notebook to create their own areamaps--to well, an increasingly accessible counterpart.

Face it, NWN and Baldur's Gate were really kinda out there when it came to player accessibility. You could play the game blindly and do fine on low difficulties sure, but if you actually wanted to understand half of the mechanics and not get ****ed by some random, obscure rule (and thus have to reload a dozen times when you got to certain encounters), you had to do a lot of reading and number crunching. This kind of thing has an audience, but that audience is very niche and unlikely to make great sales (nowadays). It unfortunately also means that the magic system doesn't get to be as complex, because if you ever wanted to do much with the one in NWN/BG, you really had to get into it based on things like saves or DC checks. Most people do not want to do homework. Tyranny has some arcane nonsense too, sure, though not quite the same level of it.

It just sounds like you're incredibly nostolgic and can't get over that. The games you list were all pretty great for their time (and indeed I loved all of them, so don't assume that my notes about the ruleset is an actual complaint) but their stories are really nothing special. Fan-created modules are what really kept NWN alive and breathed life into the game--or any purpose of going back and playing longer. Baldur's gate's party and their interactions were great and Tyranny doesn't hold up to it, sure. But on the flip side, in BG/NWN games your choices didn't mean jack ****. There were virtually no real consequences to your actions in-story, or if there were, they'd be irrelevant about thirty minutes later. Tyranny does a pretty good job of consistently changing the world to reflect the consequences of your actions by contrast. One thing I do absolutely love about BG is that you can **** up and cause your party members to ditch you, while in Tyranny they'll find excuses to stay. Or you could make a wrong dialogue choice at one point and twelve hours later find out that it ruined your romance (unlike every other Bioware game ever.)

Dragon Age: Origins is probably the best modern example of a spiritual successor to games like those you champion in your post. The sequels, not so much, but the original game was explosively open-ended, complex, and replayable, and moreover its spell system was a pretty good blend between the complexities of a DND game and the accessibility that modern audiences prefer.

It is unfortunate, but you're probably not going to find the style of games you like anymore other than the occasional gem unless you look through indies very thoroughly. The genre and audience have both shifted over the decade and ultimately what sells is going to be what people decide to keep making. I strenuously disagree with your complaints that Tyranny does nothing better than those old games, as such blanket statements are ludicrous. BG and NWN had their objective flaws just like any other game. Tyranny is a good game for what it aims to do, though few will say its GOTY material by any measure--it was a relatively small project in the first place.

Edit: As a last note, the combat in Tyranny is pretty sub-par in general, you're not wrong. I simply mean that its unfair to compare it to games based on tabletop, because BG/NWN didn't actually create the spells/combat style/whatever that they use, while Tyranny uses its own system.

I agree with everything that you said, though I do think my nostalgia is blown out of proportion. NWN 1 especially has much fewer interactions and less combat depth than BG2 by far, and its very noticeable when I play, but you are dead on about the mods. There are things Tyranny does well such as your actions meaning something to the story. Ruining romances does suck, did it many times, and yeah, its a product of its times and it does show its age at a lot of junctures. But still, in my honest opinion, its a better overall product than Tyranny by far. A person who gives BG2 a real chance and finishes it will likely remember it far better than they will Tyranny. I can quote Minsc, Viconia, Imoen, Jaheira, Yoshimo, Jan, and more for days. The combat had so many different possibilities. Even with mods and Dragons having close to 600hp instead of 200hp and better Ai, I still manage to beat them through clever tactics, preperation, and of course the luck of good rolls.

Obviously Tyranny can't reach into the sheer amount of content and spells that D&D has, but in my opinion it was a very basic experience, with abilities that right away made me go "really that's it?" and just made me wonder who honestly finished the combat off and thought "yeah that's just great how it is". The journey through the story is the fun part, if I wanted to experience just a story I'd read a book. Either way, its no sweat off my back, and thankfully my friend paid no money for the game so it's no money out of his pocket. I will continue to enjoy modded BG2 for likely years to come. Like I said above, Tyranny will be lucky to get a single expansion before it dies and retires into obscurity.

[Morty2989]

Originally posted by SecretlyaFish:

The REALLY telling part is the community around each game. Baldurs Gate 2 has a HUGE mod community, most from people who loved the game SO MUCH they learned to coding of the game and learned to use the engine to enhance what they already loved. Where are the mods for Tyranny hmm?!

The erroneous assumption there is that Tyranny and BG are equally mod friendly and it's just that no one bothered with Tyranny because it's a bad game. If you think your average RPG is so malleable these days, well you're quite wrong.

You got the game for free, AFK'd through most of your time with it, and now you're here making this huge scene and calling other people 12 year olds for not appreciating it? Classy.

[suejak]

lol, I have this image in my head of OP as this fuming 40-year-old man who is just so annoyed he can't be an invisible demon-summoner in Tyranny, and he's not going to die without everyone knowing just how mad he is.

"Look at the mod community!!!!!!!!! Nobody will remember your trash game!!!!!" *heads off for prostate check*

Anyway, BG2 and Tyranny are simply different beasts. BG2 is in a mold that will always be more popular because it's targeted at traditional fantasy fans who are very specific about their demands: elves, dwarves, high magic, and elaborate spell-slinging combat. The combat in BG2 is definitely more "fantastic" and possibly more complex, what with the huge variety of classes and races at play.

However, Tyranny is what we call "low fantasy," and it definitely focuses more on original, heavily history-influenced worldbuilding than on fantasy tropes. In terms of game design, like I said, it comes from the C&C school of Fallout and Torment, not the epic party-based dungeon-crawl school of BG/NWN/POE.

Given that OP is name-dropping fantasy authors (whom I have not read), my gut is he just really likes high fantasy. He also obviously wants an epic party-based dungeon-crawler. That's not Tyranny. Its combat is a little more low-key than that, focusing on tactics and low-magic abilities over extravagant spell-slinging wizards.

I mean, think about it: Tyranny offers high variety in terms of physical abilities, where BG2 offers wacko spells like haste and shapeshift. Tyranny abilities are like flying kicks and leg sweeps. BG2 has neither of these, but it does let you summon demons. No taunting mechanics in BG2. No engagement/disengagement. No melee skills beyond a default attack. No ranged skills beyond auto-fire...

[suejak]

Now that I think abot it, character progression in Tyranny is also way more interesting than BG2, although the latter is much more "fantastic." Each level of Tyranny allows you to pick a new "perk" in a skill tree and forge your own character type without classes. BG locks you into a single class (with certain races able to multi-class at character creation or dual-class at some point, but that's just one click to swap streams).

What do you do when you level up in BG2? Nothing... If you're a caster, you might unlock a new spell tier, but in general it's a very passive experience of just seeing what you got. This was always a snooze fest for me, because I felt like I had no role to play in character development past creating my PC.

What do you do when you level up in Tyranny? You have a dozen choices of "perks" to add from the skill tree, which is what you use to build your character in the class-free system...

[Taltos]

Originally posted by SecretlyaFish:

I'm always a caster to start, always loved playing the Mage/Wizard in B♥♥♥♥nd in D&D in real life. But wow, so boring and unimaginative. I don't feel like I'm in a fantasy universe I where the sky is the limit, I feel like I'm on rails and my abilities have been hyper balanced, leading to a "woop de doo" sort of feel regardless of what the ability does.

I've played this for 17 hours and probably near half of that time was literally me being alt tabbed and either afk or watching youtube or even having another game open and forgetting to close Tyranny. I just can't get into it. The story and lore doesn't particularily grip me, the characters, eh. My character, eh. The FEELING of the game is just so completely off.

I recently replayed BG2, and there is absolutely no comparison- the magic in Tyranny is far more complex and imaginitive. You are just being needlessly contrary if you try to argue otherwise. In Tyranny you can "build" an icicle storm that is tailored to do both ice and fire damage, plus have additional range, plus have additional strength, plus cast multiple afflictions. There is nothing like the Core, Expression and Accent system in BG2. And with most spells in BG2, you need to sleep/rest after firing off a few magic spells. If you are indeed a long time RPG fan, you know not to expect the high level "sky is the limit" spells until very late in the game. Magic Missle in BG2 wasn't exactly earth shattering. Playing Tyranny on Path of the damned, I would love to be able to summon some cannon fodder to be a wall between my spell casters and the enemy. But the developers didn't have that vision for their game. And quite frankly, it makes the magic system much more strategic. You can't simply spam a bunch of Giant Beetles and then throw a bunch of fireballs while the AI tries to figure how to get around them like in BG2. In Tyranny, your magic user is ALWAYS under threat, from either ranged attacks that always focus on your soft targets first, or by melee units that break through your line to get to Eb or Landry.

And if you don't need to pay attention while playing the game, you chose the wrong difficulty level. Try Path of the Damned and watch how quickly you start begging the cooldown meters to move faster. You'll be recreating your magic spells every time you gain a healthy increase in lore.

Its great to be nostalgic about BG2, as it is indeed a great game. But you shouldn't try comparing an 80 hour RPG to a more linear 30 hour RPG. BG2 has triple the amount of time to create relationships, character build, and world build.

After 17 hours, Tyranny simply isn't the game for you. Move on. I give a game 5 hours. After that, my time is too valuable to piss around. You didn't spend a dime to support the developers, so it isn't like you wasted your money.

Finally, regarding the title of your topic: "Awful and Boring Combat - Can't play the game." This kind of overly dramatic attention grab is not needed, and it happens all the time on Steam. Your actual post has some valid points, but your title makes it hard for me to take you seriously. Can't play the game?? You've been playing for 17 HOURS. That is twice the length of many AAA titles in other genres. That is like sitting through 9 full length movies. If it is "awful" and "boring", why in the heck would you inflict yourself to 17 HOURS of something awful? Why not just say "Tried Tyranny- Wasn't What I Hoped It Would Be."

[Big Poppa Shmee]

Originally posted by Taltos:

Originally posted by SecretlyaFish:

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It has a sensational title because that is what gets people to respond. You're right though, its not what I hoped it would be. Its also not exactly "balanced" or tactical either. My friend, the one who bought me the game, made multiple versions of almost the same spell, and instead of waiting for cooldowns could blast out 3 or 4 powerful spells one after the other (I'm not sure if there is a limit to how many spells you can craft and use in a battle). He said even on the harder difficulty that's all he did and it was a cakewalk.

I will give you that the spell creation system is really cool on paper, but to me its just not "fantastic" as the guy above you said. It doesn't feel cool or special it literally just feels like "ok, new level, now I'm gonna remake all my spells for the +1 damage". Alot of the cool unique "cheese" effects from BG2 aren't there either. I don't really call it cheating so much as being very imaginative. For example, pretty common one is to Spell Immunity - Divination followed by Improved Invisibility. You can't dispel the invisibility due to the spell immunity and you can't see them either until they cast more spells, and even then the lingering effect of 50% miss chance from the improved invisibility lingers. There are ways around it of course, either waiting, or a Chain Contingency loaded with 3 RRoR's, but that's high level stuff.

BG2's system, I guess D&D's system highly rewards player inventiveness even if what they invent does tend to to be a bit OP. Keeping everything hyper balanced has the effect of never feeling special, which is how my time with Tyranny felt to me. I gave it 17 hours because I felt bad that my friend had given me a 90 dollar game (it was the most expensive version) and I didn't want him to feel like I wasted it.

Originally posted by suejak:

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You're pretty far off your age estimation, and even if you don't like it I'm still entitled to my opinion so starting yours off by I guess... Making fun of me or trying to relagate me to somewhere below yourself, pretty lame, considering afterward you made some good points.

I've never heard of the high fantasy and low fantasy but I guess its a fair explanation. I like D&D in general because like said, it IS more fantastic. Its not so much grounded in real life, its what you wish you could do. Huge barbarians that are only the size of real world body builders pick up and throw around orcs and even rival full on giants in strength. I don't know if you've ever played the actual tabletop, but the amount of things a mage can do in 3.5 D&D once he's around 13th level is absolutely astounding.

BG2, obviously being a computer game and based on 2nd edition doesn't have all of these combinations but it has a great deal of depth. Leveling up can sometimes suck, especially for fighters and other pure melee/non caster classes, since you'll get hit points, maybe a new weapon proficiency or some skill points. Magic users, when you get a new spell slot or level that just extends further your ability to do something incredible. You can still play the game and enjoy it as a different class obviously, and the kits add more flavor to each class with special abilities etc, but yeah I'd say for leveling the highlight will always be magic users.

But for Tyranny I just can't like it. The magic is ok, its just not comparable. But melee classes, for me all the abilities you get are just so cookie cutter. They do one thing like a kick or sweep like you mentioned, once again goes back to the "woop de doo". Like, I leveled up just to get that? Its a combat system where you need to be active and I admit its challenging, I started on the 2nd highest difficulty I believe. But its not fun and doesn't feel rewarding. Even in BG2 with just a normal fighter, I'm excited for that new level, my thaco drops and then I'm just that much better. Have the entire party buff the fighter, throw a scroll of magical protection on him then march him into a room with improved haste and watch him kill everything. With Tyranny I just see a bunch of mediocre "meh" abilities with the melee classes. Basically it feels like an MMO is the best way I can put it. "Oh look, I got another cooldown, yay".

And well I do honestly need to bring up Tyranny's lack of developer support, lack of mods, and lack of additional content, less than a year, nay, 6 months from release! People are already casting serious doubts as to where this game is heading. A very BIG part of a game is knowing it has a loyal developer base that cares about the game. Without that, or without providing players the tools to continue, it dies off. This games future is already being questioned. That's pretty crappy I'd say.

You say you've never heard of the authors I mentioned. If you want to take a gander at one, I'd say look up and listen to "Homeland" by R.A. Salvatore. Look up and download an audiobook and listen to it through Itunes or something, also its free (due to using available resourses ;) ). Just make sure its read by Victor Bevine. I have particular taste and I guess the books I grew up reading kinda put Tyranny to shame for the most part. Try to be a bit nicer next time ;)

[Taltos]

I will agree with you that Tyranny won't have the long legs of BG2. I don't think there will be any significant content DLC, as you would expect a developer to announce that type of information to the community, in order to keep them interested.

My guess is that some was planned, may have gotten to the design phase, and then was scrapped. It makes no sense for a devloper to *hide* the fact that DLC is in the works.

Did you play Pillars of Eternity, especially with the expansions? If so, did you enjoy it? That would be a closer match to BG2 than Tyranny.

[Biggus Dickus]

Originally posted by Taltos:

I will agree with you that Tyranny won't have the long legs of BG2. I don't think there will be any significant content DLC, as you would expect a developer to announce that type of information to the community, in order to keep them interested.

My guess is that some was planned, may have gotten to the design phase, and then was scrapped. It makes no sense for a devloper to *hide* the fact that DLC is in the works.

Did you play Pillars of Eternity, especially with the expansions? If so, did you enjoy it? That would be a closer match to BG2 than Tyranny.

If you look at the post for the portrait DLC, it seems like they're hinting at more content for Tyranny.

[Sephiroth]

The combat is actually really fun. Its not the same as BG2 which I played my entire life along with all the BG1, IWD and all others similiar games.

The combat gets better as you continue. You get more options like combo abilities which look really cool and are really powerful as well.

The spell sysyem is AMAZING! The spells you can create well its like I said AMAZING! I always played the sorceror in BG and IWD etc. The only thing was there was no summons. But man you can really create some cool spells with all the different expressions and core sigils and other stuff.

if you a re a matgic player then this is really a game you can enjoy!

Even melee and archer assasin players can enjoy it a lot I have less experience in these roles but like I said there are lots of cool combo abilities and in game abiliteis to learn and build.

[Warnoise]

This game is just an SJW/Feminist propaganda. Pure trash.