Why do scientist and guards never grab other guns in the game!?

[Chicken Jockey]

I want know through out the whole game, Why do scientist and security guards never try grabbing or at least trying guns in the game? You never find guards and scientists holding MP5s, Shotguns, And even grenades. In Half - Life 2, Citizens And Refugees that are unarmed will do whatever it takes to get their hands on weapons to fight back. But in Black Mesa and the OG Half - Life 1, Scientist and guards literally don't fight back (Besides the guard but refuses to try out other weapons in game). But in Half - Life 2, Other AI has the obsession grabbing guns? This doesn't seem right. And Black Mesa uses the exact same source of Half - Life 2. Which means they AI might have the exact same AI used in Half - Life 2. Meaning that any unarmed ally in the game must be searching for a gun, But no? Gordon is the only scientist that grabs weapons and fights back while others are to lame to even help. Even some marines mention in Chapter 5 "We've got hostiles!" Near the end you'll come a cross 2 marines saying "I killed twenty dumb*** scientist and not one of them has fought back!" That would've been cool if later in the game they allowed unarmed characters to grab different guns though.

[Jxsva]

puede que los maes sean pacifistas totales :v

[humanf]

The security guards have lines for picking up weapons and giving ammo to the player so maybe at one point they were able to.

though you can give them weapons by using console commands, etc...
ent_create npc_human_security additionalequipment weapon_shotgun
ent_create npc_human_scientist additionalequipment weapon_357
ent_create npc_human_scientist_female additionalequipment weapon_glock

The scientist aren't really useful, they mostly run away even with guns.

[Engamer01]

Most scientists had no combat training and lost their composure the moment the Resonance Cascade happened. Many scientists ran until they couldn't anymore or locked down in place only to have a majority of them caught by Xen invaders, the HECU, or the assassins.

The few scientists that did fight were either swiftly killed, forced to run until exhausted (and killed later) or forced to run to a place that could be locked down (until caught by Xen invaders, the HECU, or the assassins later).

Gordon was the lone scientist that was on duty at Black Mesa that had any significant combat training in order to stay composed during troubling situations. Sure Gordon wasn't military trained, but he probably had the help of Barney at the firing range with the available weapons Gordon and the security force were cleared to use.

As to why the guards never scavenge weapons or use the existing weapons at Black Mesa, there was no time after the Resonance Cascade. Many of the guards were pinned and limited to only using pistols for range and shotguns for close-quarters.

After news of Gordon's battles start going across Black Mesa's limited channels available to the scientists and guards, they all start rallying behind Gordon choosing instead to keep Gordon supplied (this is implied, but not stated officially) and providing limited backup when possible (mostly the few guards that survive that Gordon reaches in his battles across Black Mesa).

[Cat]

The 9mm pistol can kill most Half Life enemies without alerting them so the guard thought the Glock is op and see no reason to salvage other weapons, especially when they can impressively hold their own against marines.

As for the scientist, they are just a bunch of old geezers. The only scientist I remember that was holding a gun was the guy at the lambda supply depot, or the crowbar in blue shift if you count that. The hev suit team also appears to had guns on Xen.

Maybe the guards and scientists do salvage weapons, they just didn't do it with Gordon nearby because it's best to bet the guy in the hev suit has better chances to take and use the weapons.

[Chicken Jockey]

Originally posted by Cat:

The 9mm pistol can kill most Half Life enemies without alerting them so the guard thought the Glock is op and see no reason to salvage other weapons, especially when they can impressively hold their own against marines.

As for the scientist, they are just a bunch of old geezers. The only scientist I remember that was holding a gun was the guy at the lambda supply depot, or the crowbar in blue shift if you count that. The hev suit team also appears to had guns on Xen.

Maybe the guards and scientists do salvage weapons, they just didn't do it with Gordon nearby because it's best to bet the guy in the hev suit has better chances to take and use the weapons.

But near Barney, And Gordon. They don't know when gordon arrives really. Meaning the should have a better chance against enemies with guns instead of thinking having someone else clear the ways for them.

[Vassago Rain]

Because CC never bothered to make this a viable option for them. Even in 1.5, the glock is still the strongest and most accurate weapon available to security guards.

[Chicken Jockey]

Originally posted by 76561198055391755:

The security guards have lines for picking up weapons and giving ammo to the player so maybe at one point they were able to.

though you can give them weapons by using console commands, etc...
ent_create npc_human_security additionalequipment weapon_shotgun
ent_create npc_human_scientist additionalequipment weapon_357
ent_create npc_human_scientist_female additionalequipment weapon_glock

The scientist aren't really useful, they mostly run away even with guns.

These commands, Don't really work..

[PINGVINATOR TERMOREGULATOR]

Originally posted by humanf:

The security guards have lines for picking up weapons and giving ammo to the player so maybe at one point they were able to.

I actually discovered that years ago and was posting multiple times on the forum about why they decided to cut this idea since it is pretty much clear it went so far into the development (i mean, the voice actor literally has more than 10 lines of dialogue for that). But they never wanted to give me the exact reason, they either ignored the messages or replied with a most primitive argument for example "Why is that important?". Yes, it is important because you spent your time developing a better AI and making Guards actually more useful than in the original half life so why not give them some finishing touches? And don't give me that answer "well duh, they scrapped it because it didn't exist in original half life". Firstly if that's the case why even bother developing it in the first place, and secondly, Black Mesa is a reimagining not a 100% accurate remaster. The devs didn't even had to bother themselves too much since they could've easily used animations Citizens used in half life 2 for picking up new weapons and giving ammo

[PINGVINATOR TERMOREGULATOR]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Because CC never bothered to make this a viable option for them. Even in 1.5, the glock is still the strongest and most accurate weapon available to security guards.

Revolver?

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Zorga:

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Because CC never bothered to make this a viable option for them. Even in 1.5, the glock is still the strongest and most accurate weapon available to security guards.

Revolver?

It deals less damage, and fires slower. Security guard weapons don't have the same stats as your own.

[Solaron]

Better yet, why can't I pick up the silenced rapid fire pistols that the female assassins have in various parts of the game.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Solaron:

Better yet, why can't I pick up the silenced rapid fire pistols that the female assassins have in various parts of the game.

Use the console command give weapon_assassin_glock.

[Josko]

Either it was just a balance decision or they just didn't think about that

[PINGVINATOR TERMOREGULATOR]

Originally posted by Josko:

Either it was just a balance decision or they just didn't think about that

It was neither. It couldn't have been a balance decision because guards already have a lower health than grunts and they once said they were doing all they can to make the guards as useful as possible so... yeah.

And they couldn't have not think about it, because why did the VA bother to record 10+ lines for it?