What happened to the HECU soldiers that captured Gordon Freeman at the end of Apprehension?

[Saryn]

We all know that in the ending for the chapter Apprehension in HL1 and Black Mesa that Freeman gets ambushed by a pair of HECU marines and is dragged off to a trash compactor. They're never seen again after the cutscene of them discussing what they're gonna do with Freeman. It would've been cool if the two of them were discussing on how they ended Freeman but he drops in on them and shocks the two marines, crying out that he should be dead.

I may answer my own question here but ever since the last update for Black Mesa. The devs added a little change to the trash compactor control room. Upon entering there are a few dead headcrabs, a marine that has been gibbed by an explosion and another marine that has been turned into a zombie and is groaning in the corner of the next room that has been blocked off by a shelf. Maybe that's the two marines who ambushed Freeman and attempted to kill him but were ambushed by headcrabs? It does seem like them since there are only two marines in the control room.

[Doctor Go-Go]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Timerlane:

They wanted revenge for Gordon killing their fellow marines. They were under orders to capture him if they could, but those two, at least, didn't care, and probably figured the rest of the marines would prefer him dead, as well. They were thinking 'no body, no evidence that we killed him', and may have assumed their fellow marines, approving of what they had done, would probably cover for them if questions from above did arise.

Remember that HL1 was pre-9/11, and relatively few would have objected to depicting U.S. military personnel as nothing but dumb, short-sighted 'jocks'.

No offense, but you don't a chain of events very well do you? (evidence)

They stated right there why not just shoot him now? They considered it. They were supposed to transport him for questioning. They already reported that they have him. Command already knows, he is captured. they can't deny that, they reported it. Now they would have to explain how a restrained person got free and escaped and why they didn't go after him.

Revenge? They were sent to execute the science staff? Revenge for self-defense? What is there to avenge? Killers upset because one of the civilians they were sent to execute is fighting back? Who said being a soldier was fair or personal? It's NEVER personal, just orders.

It just doesn't make any sense. Neither does evading the cannon fire, gun fire and rockets from attack helicopters. If the blast radius could shatter a bridge what do you think that concussion would do to Gordon's body? It' just a Heavy Duty Hazmat suit.

Senseless plot holes are fun, no one really cares that much about the plot, they find a way for it make sense.

[The A**kins Diet]

I mean the revenge doesn't seem that unlikely when you consider how cartoonish their depiction is. Some of those soldiers went out of their way to write stuff like "Die Freeman" in blood on the wall. Where did they get the time or drive to do that? How do they even know Freeman will see the message in such a massive facility. This is kind of a hilarious topic. I mean the aliens pop out randomly and kill people all the time, whether it's scientist, guards, or marines.

[Cat]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Doctor Go-Go:

Revenge? They were sent to execute the science staff? Revenge for self-defense? What is there to avenge? Killers upset because one of the civilians they were sent to execute is fighting back? Who said being a soldier was fair or personal? It's NEVER personal, just orders.

The marines on the On A Rail chapter did express his personal feelings to Freeman, they were clearly upset that Freeman were "killing some of their buddies" self-defense or not. It's ironic that they are the ones who killed freeman's buddies but who cares, they wanna blame freeman and wanna take revenge on him.

[Rambler]

well this thread grew some legs :o)
good thoughts going in, but to ME, the cut scene was introduced merely to allow for ALL weapons to be stripped away, so you don't have it too easy for a while ? :o)

[Doc Tear Popper]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zorga:

My question is what happened to HECU soldiers after the events of hl1? Dont tell me they are all dead except Adrian?

Anyone and anything that was at the facility at the time of the nuke perished. We know that Adrian as well and those who pulled out survived at least until the Seven Hour War happened.

[t850terminator]

Probably dead. If Gordon didn’t kill em, something else probably did.

[Doctor Go-Go]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Cat007:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Doctor Go-Go:

Revenge? They were sent to execute the science staff? Revenge for self-defense? What is there to avenge? Killers upset because one of the civilians they were sent to execute is fighting back? Who said being a soldier was fair or personal? It's NEVER personal, just orders.

The marines on the On A Rail chapter did express his personal feelings to Freeman, they were clearly upset that Freeman were "killing some of their buddies" self-defense or not. It's ironic that they are the ones who killed freeman's buddies but who cares, they wanna blame freeman and wanna take revenge on him.

Then why not just kill him then rather than trying to capture him? Kill him and claim he opened fire? IF they were already upset about it why not just kill him then? Why go through the trouble of capturing him first? See? It doesn't make sense.

Though, to be fair ... why are we assuming the average soldier is smart? What draws most to the combatant portion of the military to begin with? They wanna be TACTICOOL! Wear some camo, pouches and carry a cool looking gun. AND IF they are SUPER COOL they get to wear a different beret, because they are EXTRA special. They believe they are gonna be darting around bullets whizzing by like Keanu Reeves. SWOOSH! WOOOOSH! returning fire in slow mo POW! ...... POW! ...... POW! more incoming, better dash then dive SWOOSH! ..... WOOSH! :) ANYWAY ...

So it would be completely senseless to go "Hey, let's capture this guy we want to kill ... OH WAIT! Now let's kill him" They didn't seem very upset about it, did they? They were joking and giggling.

Plot device to move him to another location with a reason to escape, doesn't make any sense. They could have just shot him right there and left him like the rest of the bodies. Claimed he escaped restraint, was dangerous and they were forced to shoot.

YET again, how would they explain how he got free from restraints while BOTH of them had him secured? Doesn't make sense. BUT the players would NEVER put that much thought into it, they just want to play a game, have fun.