Black Mesa

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Best Boy Sep 12, 2017 @ 8:45pm
Does this game acknowledge Blue Shift, Opposing Force, and Decay's existence?
Be better than Valve guys...:steamsad:
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9seed Sep 12, 2017 @ 9:53pm 
I think I heard references to the protagonists of decay over the intercom, as well as one of the scientists mentioning one of them. (AM)
There is a reference to Barney at the begining of anomalous materials.
I haven't heard of any Oposing Force references in BM yet, tho.
Cat Sep 12, 2017 @ 10:22pm 
change title and put that in your desc :steamfacepalm:
Best Boy Sep 12, 2017 @ 10:24pm 
Originally posted by Nyu:
change title and put that in your desc :steamfacepalm:
No.
Jackerino Sep 13, 2017 @ 12:32am 
Blue Shift and Decay, yes. Opposing Force? I don't remember anything about Shepard being mentioned, and Opposing Force is considered non-canon by quite a lot of people, so, no.
thray Sep 13, 2017 @ 6:54am 
The game is a re-imagining of Half Life. Half Life was developed and released before those other games, there is no reason to mention or reference them in Black Mesa and it would not make sense to do so.

As for the issue of Half Life canon, Canon does not exist because there is no such thing.
Originally posted by Mark Laidlaw:
The canon of the Half-Life and Portal series has never been officially defined by Valve, and never will be.
Series writer Marc Laidlaw stated that the issue of canon is "something the fans came up with" and that they do not have an official stance on it. He remarked that they "do not get involved in issues of canonicity" and that "canon itself is non-canon", letting the games stand on their own.

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Life_Wiki:Canon
http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/Canon
9seed Sep 13, 2017 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by RedEye:
The game is a re-imagining of Half Life. Half Life was developed and released before those other games, there is no reason to mention or reference them in Black Mesa and it would not make sense to do so.

As for the issue of Half Life canon, Canon does not exist because there is no such thing.
Originally posted by Mark Laidlaw:
The canon of the Half-Life and Portal series has never been officially defined by Valve, and never will be.
Series writer Marc Laidlaw stated that the issue of canon is "something the fans came up with" and that they do not have an official stance on it. He remarked that they "do not get involved in issues of canonicity" and that "canon itself is non-canon", letting the games stand on their own.

http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Life_Wiki:Canon
http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/Canon
That was when laidlaw was the writer. Those days are unfortunately over. Besides, that just means there is no official canon, I interprete that as meaning players can chose what they view as"cannon".
9seed Sep 13, 2017 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by Jackerino:
Blue Shift and Decay, yes. Opposing Force? I don't remember anything about Shepard being mentioned, and Opposing Force is considered non-canon by quite a lot of people, so, no.
Quite a lot of people consider it cannon.
Jackerino Sep 13, 2017 @ 10:57am 
Originally posted by 9seed:
Originally posted by Jackerino:
Blue Shift and Decay, yes. Opposing Force? I don't remember anything about Shepard being mentioned, and Opposing Force is considered non-canon by quite a lot of people, so, no.
Quite a lot of people consider it cannon.

It's canon, mate. Stop spelling it wrong. Goodness!

I always figured people didn't consider it canon (Same as I) because of the fact that it had a whole different set of aliens, different people, etc., never revisited or even hinted at ever happening in any subsequent game afterwards.
9seed Sep 13, 2017 @ 3:05pm 
Originally posted by Jackerino:
Originally posted by 9seed:
Quite a lot of people consider it cannon.

It's canon, mate. Stop spelling it wrong. Goodness!

I always figured people didn't consider it canon (Same as I) because of the fact that it had a whole different set of aliens, different people, etc., never revisited or even hinted at ever happening in any subsequent game afterwards.
In blue shift, there is a direct mention of Shephard.
thray Sep 13, 2017 @ 3:53pm 
Originally posted by 9seed:
In blue shift, there is a direct mention of Shephard.
Opposing Force came out on November 19, 1999
Blue Shift was released a year and 7 months later on June 12, 2001
9seed Sep 13, 2017 @ 4:16pm 
Originally posted by RedEye:
Originally posted by 9seed:
In blue shift, there is a direct mention of Shephard.
Opposing Force came out on November 19, 1999
Blue Shift was released a year and 7 months later on June 12, 2001
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or trying to make a different point.
Last edited by 9seed; Sep 13, 2017 @ 4:16pm
Jackerino Sep 13, 2017 @ 9:19pm 
Originally posted by 9seed:
Originally posted by RedEye:
Opposing Force came out on November 19, 1999
Blue Shift was released a year and 7 months later on June 12, 2001
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or trying to make a different point.

Yeah, it doesn't really invalidate anything; but by subsequent releases I don't mean Half-Life 1 and it's various iterations, I mean the leak, Half-Life 2, it's episodes, etc., and of course the only game that mentions Shepard is made by the people who made the game Shepard is in. Lol
Mindustry Sep 14, 2017 @ 3:31am 
opfor isnt canon but things from it are, like the nuke
Well, the original Half-Life didn't reference them either, so there's no reason for BM to do so. Even then, there are some "retconned" references that both games have: for example, Gina Cross, who was involved in the development of the Hazard Suit (and is one of the characters from Decay), is mentioned. And the security guard knocking on a door that later became Barney in Blue Shift is still there.

As for Opposing Force, I personally consider it canon, and there's a nice way to explain the lack of the "Race X" in the other games. When the Resonance Cascade happened, that sent some kind of beacon towards the multiverse (I'll refer to the other dimensions as a multiverse); due to the nature of Black Mesa's teleportation technology, only Nihilanth had direct access to it at first (this is due to Xen working as the basis for the teleportation tech); and if you hadn't noticed, Shephard only starts encountering Race X aliens after Gordon goes through the portal. By that time, other invaders managed to reach through to Earth, and that's when Race X decided to launch its own invasion. Unfortunately, they were stopped by Shephard, when he killed their leader (the final boss of OpFor), and that's why they don't show up in Half-Life 2. I like to think that they, just like Nihilanth, were trying to escape the Combine by invading our world.
Carnage Sep 16, 2017 @ 6:36pm 
idk about decay and blue shift but opposing force isn't because the guy who says forget about freeman dies, he gets blown up or something in Black Mesa, but in Opposing Force nothing happens you stand right next to him when he says it.
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