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But also in my opinion I think that she did killed her parents but didn't knew it because she was controled by the drugs she had to take. With ''drugs'' I mean the pills and stuff Aunt Grace and the Doc gave her.
Maybe they wanted to test something or they just wanted to get the parents out of their way but they had to find a way to do it without a hint. So (I'THIS IS JUST AN IDEA) they took Fran and let her, full of ♥♥♥♥, do it.
In this way they also had a better reason to hold Fran in the Assylum.
One of my favourites just to think about rather non-seriously, is Fran might've died when she fell to Ithersta-- And the rest of the story was her journey to the afterlife (She went through Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell, and found redemption).
Note that the sign when she's with Itward that says both Home and Hell :) Both are true. (This could also be explained because everything she sees on the pills exists at the same time, as explained by Itward).
The whole game, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt-- I think that's the natural reaction. To see her as innocent and sweet, of just wanting to find out the truth.. And the entire game, we're also meant to be skeptical, and doubt it at the same time. What an interesting balance!
I noticed when you examine the bed inside the ant hill, she says that the ant is a man.. But, wait, no, he couldn't be.. As if she's in denial. So, who is the ant and his pig, really? It's at this section where certain things seen off the pills seem abnormal, and yet this should be the 'real world', because it's seen without the influence of pills... She killed that pig with current reality eyes, not ultra-reality.
Not to mention being in a well and a house at the same time-- But, the house was in the 'non-pill eyes', and the well was with the 'pill eyes'.. So, it seems topsy turvy-- It seems as if the well should have been seen with 'non-pill eyes', but was not.
It isn't until she's in the House of Mabuka that I started to see the darker sides of her personality more overtly.
If you spend some time examining everything in the dollhouse in her 'room', she explains how she stole something from a boy, and how she cut out the Queen from a card, and that the other Queen is "dead". Going around her room in this way, we find out just how self-centred she was prior to the tale. (Only her own interests were important.)
Also, one of the dolls that she likes to make cry, get mad at, only to make laugh again..
And the other version of herself needs to wear a straight jacket to go outside, Mr. Midnight doesn't exist (I am left to wonder if this version of Fran is just another aspect of her present personality, and not just from another timeline)
Very morbid things, that she treats casually (Which she does with seeing herself get eaten, dead animals, etc throughout the game as well.)
Also, they kept mentioning her, "waking up in darkness". That sounds like death to me, but that explanation doesn't satisfy me at all.
Then again, I think this may be because the actual explanation for everything that happened is what I fear is the most realistic, and disappointing ending of them all-- That this has been a journey of self-discovery, for the viewers to find out that she killed her own parents, and that she died, and nothing was actually solved. At least not to Fran-- Because she never accepts that she killed her parents, if she actually did, which seems like that was the entire point since the beginning. To find the truth.
I feel like it was left this way on purpose, because if they actually overtly tell us what happened, we won't like it. Because, either she did kill her parents, died while getting experimented on, hallucinated happy things, and was gone. Or, she really actually has supernatural abilities, didn't kill her parents, was saved by Itward, and went to Ithersta with Mr. Midnight. (What's up with him meowing in the house of madness? WAS that the house of madness? Wtf?)
In fact, if her needing to face the fact that she killed her parents was the moral of the story, the game even seems to go so far as to say, it doesn't actually matter WHO killed her parents, that's not the point. The point is, she chose happiness, because even though she did bad things, she's .. Not going to anymore ? uhm.. Well, if that's true, she's not taking responsibility for her actions (which she claims she does do, "no matter how icky.") but, maybe Fran is the greatest liar of them all.
The doctor said that Remor was a grand manipulator, and that Fran was holding the knife. He had no reason to lie. If Remor is not a hallucination, it's probably safe to say that Fran had no intention of killing her parents, and Remor had her under his control, and that's why it doesn't matter.
The portrait at the very end, that shows her mom and Aunt Grace.. That makes me think that maybe the doctor manipulated/controlled Grace from a young age, and that is why she acts oddly. Remor being a blinded manifestation of Fran's fear makes a kind of sense... But, it also makes a kind of sense that Remor was actually manifested by the doctor. In either case, it makes it likely that Grace might have killed her parents, and the old doctor had a hand in it.
Maybe it's because of our unreliable narrator Fran, but "Between Guilt (for her actions) and Fear(?? What is she afraid of? Remor, probably? She has only seemed to show fear with him, as well as ultrareality, where she's generally shaking in her boots-- So, maybe she is rejecting ultrareality itself?), I choose Happiness." Sounds like she could be staying in denial for her part in the responsibility, forever, and that's just fine with her.
An abrupt ending, for an abrupt death. And, if she was just a puppet, maybe that's why it's for the best.
But, to be a bit more fair, perhaps it's the essential idea that, we feel guilt and fear often in our lives, but if we know we are not guilty, and have no reason to be afraid, then we should choose happiness, as Fran does. Although, this seems a shaky explanation, as this whole game seems to be about mental illness, and it's generally well-known that it's very difficult for someone with mental illness to 'choose to be happy'. So, perhaps this was Fran's actual quest from the very beginning.
It's a happy ending-- It's the ending I wanted. But, it is also a very sad one, because it's also the ending I didn't want. At the same time. And I think that's what the creators wanted to accomplish. Ultrareality at its finest-- We are the ones with the true Ultrareality sight-- We are the ones who have seen it all.
But, yeah.. I've read all of the explanations I could find, and nothing really satisfies me, or makes me feel like it ties everything together in a cohesive way. I wish I could sit down with the creators and get their point of views, talk to them about it.. I enjoyed this tale, but I feel like I'm missing something important. I have a sinking feeling it's because all possible endings exist at the same time, because of the nature of Ultrareality, so... "You're ALL right!" -_- I hope not. . But it feels a bit like it.
The game is entirely up to the player/viewer's interpretation, so I'll tell you what I personally think happened.
We know that Dr. Oswald had an obsession with twins and did twin experiments. His interest in twins is how he was connected to Fran's mom & her Aunt Grace. Dr. Oswald had plans for Fran before she was even born, and even though Fran isn't a twin herself, she comes from a twin parent and that is good enough for Oswald. I believe that Fran has been in and out of the asylum from a very young age. In the last chapter, when Fran is chained to her bed & locked in her room by Aunt Grace, she imagines/hallucinates talking to her younger self. The younger Fran is in the asylum, hinting that Fran's current stay at the hospital has not been her first stay there. If we assume that Fran stayed at the hospital when she was younger, that implies that Fran has a history of some sort of mental illness, or at least that Dr. Oswald may have been experimenting on her (or medicating her) when she was younger.
For these reasons, I actually do believe that Fran killed her parents, although I doubt she meant to do so on purpose. I'm sure that Fran did truly love her parents and that she truly thinks she didn't kill them. I think Fran had a psychotic outburst and that's what caused her to kill her parents, and that's also why she has no clear recollection of actually committing the crime. Since she doesn't remember killing her parents, she doesn't understand why she is being kept in the asylum, leading Fran to try and escape in the first chapter.
At the end of the game, Remor tries to clearly prove to Fran that she did in fact, kill her parents, but Fran is unwilling to listen and can't fathom herself doing such a thing. Some people feel that Remor actually possessed Fran and that he is to truly blame for her parent's murders. I disagree that Remor possessed Fran because Remor is, in my opinion, only a figment of Fran's mind; Remor is a hallucination so it would've been impossible. He is meant to represent darkness, evil, and despair though, so I do think that it's plausible to say that Remor represents the psychotic, killer side of Fran, which she always tries to run from...Just as she always tries to run from the truth that she killed her parents. By the end of the game, Fran is still not ready to acknowledge Remor/ her psychotic side, and holds the claim that she didn't kill her parents.
Another reason why I think Fran being a murderer is true is because of her outburst in the last scene. During almost all of the game, we see Fran as a sweet naive child, but when she attacks Aunt Grace, she jumps on top of her and starts choking her. It wasn't hard to imagine her spontaneously lashing out at her parents after seeing her choke her Aunt Grace.
As for the cat, aka Mr. Midnight, I think it's safe to say he's dead. The Mr. Midnight that Fran talks to is an auditory & visual hallucination (just like many of the other interesting characters in the game) meant to guide her/help her throughout the journey within her mind. At one point, Mr. Midnight was a real pet who existed, but he's dead now. I don't know if Fran also killed Mr. Midnight during her muder-psychosis, but it's a possibility imo.
I don't think Dr. Oswald & Aunt Grace are dead. Since Itward literally threw them out of the scene and I don't think Itward is a real person, they are probably alive. As for Fran, I'm not so sure. I think there's two possibilities: 1) Fran did really try to attack her Aunt, was shot, died, and went to Ithersta (Heaven) with Polantus, Itward, and her talking cat OR 2) Fran attacked her Aunt, was shot, and survived but has taken so many Duotine pills that her reality & hallucinations are entwined with one another, leading her to hallucinate herself flying off into the distance.
The only reason why I think it may be possible for Fran to still be alive is because of what the King of Ithersta told her. The King said that if one is still capable of love, then they are not dead. In the last scene, Aunt Grace throws the "fake" hallucination of Mr. Midnight (the one that can only meow) out of the room, but after Fran chokes Aunt Grace and is shot, the "regular", talking Mr. Midnight jumps back into the scene. Fran leaves with Mr. Midnight, so she is still able to love him, and therefore may be still alive. Fran's last line is, "...between guilt and fear, I choose happiness". Rather than feel guilty about what she did or be fearful of the past & future, Fran chooses happiness by escaping her problems with her hallucinations and the cat she loves.
If you ask me, I actually don't think Fran ever made it out of the asylum. Fran used her pills to help escape the asylum, so I don't actually think that happened. She literally got to the basement of the hospital because a hallucination of a clown opened up the vent leading to the basement. I'm a fan of the theory that everything at the very beginning, and very end, of the game were real. In Chapter 1 when she's in the asylum is real, but her escape is not real and never happened. Then fast forward to the last chapter, where the game ends back in the asylum...because she never actually escaped. I think Fran desperately fantasizes about leaving the hospital considering she doesn't believe she killed her parents, and therefore doesn't think she should be in the hospital because she's "innocent". A mix of her own desire to leave, her mental illness, and her medications that the doctor screwed with caused her to extensively hallucinate for majority of the game. I included her mental illness in that list because Fran can have hallucinations without the pills, in the normal world (Ex: The Ant & his beetlepig are a hallucination, but you don't need to take the pills to see him & Mr. Midnight himself is a hallucination seen without the pills as well). So yeah, I don't think she ever got out of the asylum and that most of the story was in her head.
I can get something wrong, I'm not the creator, especially since I played it some time ago, but my point is that wow, the game was too forward for me at the end, I was disappointed because of it. It is kinda strange that not everybody sees it that way, I should just get used to it already. The game left no questions for me unanswered.
who is León Castillo in the book?
The *we couldnt decide what we want to do with the story* ending.
So do our work for us and make something up yourself.
I dont mind endings being confusing. I dont mind them being complicated. But this one... Is a bunch of stuff thrown together without any strong links. Seems like you need to assume A LOT to have any chance of telling the story from start to finish.
I was basically knocked sideways by how good this game actually is - I loved every single one of the about eight hours it took me to finish it. And like many of you, I couldn't stop thinking about the game and its ending afterwards.
I didn't manage to read all the posts in this thread, but I've read the first eight or nine pages - you guys have really thought about the game and there are some good theories. But one thing struck me - am I the only one who actually believes in magic and the supernatural (at least when it comes to games) ?
Most of you talked about mental illnesses and went into some detail laying down your theories about that. Sure, it is a big topic in this game, but who are the mad ones here: young children who to some extent don't fulfill what is considered to be normal in society OR the people who conduct experiments like lobotomies on children, tell them they would give them a key for a kiss or even use a gun to shoot at a 10-year-old girl? Obvious answer to me...
No; I think, this being a fantasy horror game, that Fran really has got special powers, she is some kind of seer and can cross the borders between different dimensions. Of course, by this she deviates from the norm, which in turn is considered to be madness by normal people. Just because we can't see things doesn't mean that they are not there.
Considering Fran herself: I think that she really is a nice and lovable little girl, maybe a bit too childish for her 10 years of age. I don't believe that she's mad, she's just special, but being in an asylum for some time can make anybody insane, I recon. She might be in deep shock because of what she had to see concerning her parents, so that's why her reactions to certain things like dead babies are somewhat unsuitable. But she is always polite to everybody and uses sentences like "I hope you're happy" a lot, so she really cares about other beings, and this also applies to animals and toys, showing her childish side.
I also found it worth mentioning that she knows the names of all the other children in the asylum, which shows that she cares about them. What was this sweet phrase? "Annie likes to drink her milk like a cat" - just adorable. I'm a father of three myself and a teacher to boot, so I really like children, maybe this is why I was so gripped by this game.
Sometimes she has to be rude or use violence, but she doesn't like doing those things and only does them out of love, in most cases for her cat, the only thing she has really left in life. Did you notice that she's shocked or afraid every single time when she enters the other reality using the pills? A mad person wouldn't be shocked in my opinion.
Concerning Fran imagining her whole journey: that would have been quite a feat to make this all up! Furthermore, why did she make up all those riddles and puzzles then, she could have had it far easier if she had wanted to. That's not really convincing to me...and would she really have been able to think up something like the chemistry puzzle in the airship? Not very likely.
So, in a nutshell, accepting that there is something magical and supernatural about the world of Fran Bow makes the whole story, including the ending, more believable. Of course Fran doesn't die in the end, she is recued by her magical friends and carried off to safety. Is it so hard to suspend your disbelieve for a game to allow such an ending to happen? :-)
This said, Mr. Midnight not being able to talk in the end also puzzles me...maybe it's really not him but a different tomcat, but why is her there then in the end when Itward arrives? Hoping for a sequel...
Itward and mr midnight could be figments of her psychosis as you notice things about them such as mr midnight cannot meow and a dead cat is in frans grave and itward's flying machine crash is a red bicycle that you see earlier in the game at the house with the twins. yet ithersta is very complex and while i argue that she got all of this from reading that journal as she revieves it right befor ithersta, yet at the same time ithersta is very complex and might be a fantacy part of the game as even the drs do refer to the other realities and the experiements seem to be an attempt to reach those other realities which might be in itself a 3rd theory which is both mental illness and fantacy are involved
Assuming that the entire last scene is a delusion note that the gunshot would is the same as the wound in the deformed body she finds earlier.