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Remember the twin house? There I thought for the first time, that the pills show her the real world (dead children in a fountain) and without them she imaginates the cute house. Maybe this is the reason why she doesn't need the pills later, because her mind becomes more and more crazy.
I think at the end, nothing is real. Maybe she is lying in a bed in Oswalds hospital all the time (sleep because of drugs), maybe she is realy dying in the forest.
But I know this would be too easy, because of the sceens with the grave for example.
But maybe the scene with aunt Grace in Frans room was reality too.. omg! I need more ideas to understand this!
Tell me what you think about!
Afert this game I need someone to talk too!!
And I had the same thoughts.. no shocking moments anymore after the bridge was distroyed by the monster.. My favorite chapter was the twin house.. i was so scared!
But the end is only like .. oh we love each other so much.. let us live in peace together until the world ends.. :(
Before the game, Fran's aunt and mom had some sort of special power in which Dr Oswald tapped into. He had a previous failure (which were the twins sewed together), and so decided to
find another experiment.
Fast forward to the murder scene, her aunt finds out she is nuts and probably has the same ability that she and her sister had, and takes advantage of the situation. She sends Fran to a mental hospital, switches the drugs, and the diagnosis and experiments begin.
After taking the drugs, Fran's imagination warps.
I think the first chapter she is still in a sane condition, the next chapter is finding her cat and escaping, the third is most likely when she's in some sort of trance where she can choose either to live in harmony with herself or get back to reality to find her parents. She decides to get back to reality to find her parents only to find out that the murderer was herself (but still in denial).
In the last chapter, I guess her ability is either being controlled or slowly wearing off because reality is melding back together again. However, this time she was shot and and Dr. Oswald was told to bring her back for the 'experiement' while she was still fresh. At that point I can only assume she is either dead or drugged, but the diffrence between the ending and chapter 3 is that she wants to stay in that magical realm forever instead of coming back.
well said! i think fran is indeed dead. as the game said that death is only a mental state and that you are alive if you love (mr. midnight)
Dr. Oswald is obsessed with experimenting on twins, and sewed Mia and Clara together. He was also interested in experimenting on Fran's mother, Lucia, and aunt Grace because they were twins too. Perhaps because of the experimentation on Lucia and Grace, Fran is insane and kills her parents. Grace finds out and has Fran committed to Oswald Asylum. There, Dr. Oswald wants to study/experiment on Fran more so he switches her drugs with something that causes vivid hallucinations. Fran hallucinates that she escapes the asylum and travels to fantasy worlds with Mr. Midnight. At the end, Fran can't tell reality or fantasy apart even without the drug, and she attacks aunt Grace when she comes to visit at the Asylum. Dr. Oswald kills Fran to save Grace and then takes Fran's body to experiment on. As Fran is finally dying, she imagines that she flies away to happiness with Palontras, Itwald, and Mr. Midnight.
I'm assuming Fran had some latent ESP abilities. The medication likely activates or enhances them (presumably both) and is required at first to even be able to use them for the most part. One side effect being terrible, vivid hallucinations. It's pretty clear Fran can see manifestations of peoples' subconscious very early on with the assistance of the drugs, and is made even more obvious later in the car with Dr. Deern.
There's likely some link to objects or other people that does not require they even still be there (the twins for instance), though I believe the majority of what she sees is simply a hallucination (The flying machine is literally just her riding a bicycle through the forest, which can be seen destroyed at the beginning of the next chapter, the flying machine 'crash' likely being due to not having working brakes, this was a major clue that the vast majority of what's going on is simply a series of hallucinations for me).
I'm also fairly certain that Remor is just a manifestation of the security guard's subconscious (though I have no idea what stopped him at the asylum door, or why... Perhaps the 'traitor' everyone keeps mentioning), while Mabuka is likely Oswald's. The experiments presumably started many years before the game did, and her parents finally caught on (or refused to let them continue, or possibly even start with Fran) and had to be dealt with one way or another. Admittedly, I'm unsure if Fran or the guard was the one that actually killed her parents, if it was the former there was some specific trigger programmed into her during her visit/stay in her early years, it's also possible she has split personality disorder and that's what caused it.
By the final chapter, she's taken so many pills that she can not tell the difference between reality and the hallucinations whatsoever and things appear to literally be falling apart as a result.
Very specific events in the last couple of chapters I'm pretty much convinced of (for whatever reason): Remor (the guard) shows up at the cemetary, knocks out Dr. Deern and begins to choke Fran until she falls unconscious, ultimately taking them both back to the asylum. He then straps Deern into the chair, because at this point he probably knows too much and will likely have to be dealt with (ironically, the drugs Fran uses in an attempt at waking him actually wind up saving his life by making him pass out and think it was just a dream, if the dialogue is any indication).
I also think she definitely dies at the end, or at least goes into a permanent coma (which is essentially the same thing given the most-likely-fatal experiments to follow), the scene of flying away with everyone simply being her final dream/hallucination before being experimented on by Oswald.
I also have no explanation for Leon and his book, or whether or not he actually existed. Chances are he did, and they had similar, if not identical powers. Same with the apparent number of people that were able to see Itward and the rest (though they could simply be an idea planted by the doctor, with either a vague description of his appearance or none at all), the sheer number of black cats and references to them are likely caused by Fran's love of Mr. Midnight (who most likely was in fact in her coffin, Deern having never directly confirmed his existence himself makes this the most plausible for me). However, I'm also not entirely sure what the deal with Grace throwing the cat out at the end was. Clearly there was something or someone there, but I'm unsure as to who or what, or why they refer to it as a traitor. Most things involving Mr. Midnight could also potentially just be hallucinations as well.
That, or EVERYTHING WAS REAL AND ALL OF THAT HAPPENED. But I seriously doubt it. Even though I want it to be so.
Also: Needs a sequel or DLC where you play as Dr. Deern trying to figure out what's really going on.
I'll play through again for the achievements I missed sometime, maybe I missed some explanations or clues on a few things, but I don't think I did, and I doubt they'd help much anyways.
The literal doesn't need much discussion, the game lays it out for you quite detailed.
The realistic one is very simple as well: Fran killed her parents as a result of some kind of psychotic fit, was institutionalized but managed to flee (for a time), slowly lost any touch with reality due to avoiding medical care and taking some stolen meds, and eventually either completely lost it herself or was given a push (lobotomization?). The end.
- First, if the "dimension" Fran could enter by taking the pills was just an hallucination who opened the air vent in the doctor's office when Phil closed the door? Did a ten years old girl just tore a metal vent apart?
- Also, how did Fran managed to put the keys in their place without being seen by the Nurse in the room near the Yellow Door? In the game we used the pills to enter a dimension where the nurse wasn't there, but if the dimension is just an hallucination how was Fran not seen?
- What stopped the guard from catching Fran immediately after her escape from the Asylum if the Shadows were just illusions?
- At some point Fran finds a walled well in the forest. How did she managed to enter into a walled well? And, most importantly, how the crap did she managed to get out of that place and ends up on some shore? Assuming the Twins' house and the Frog were all hallucinations.
- After the bridge in the forest crumbled and Fran fell into what we later discovered was a river, how did she managed to ends up on the opposite cliff? And also not to drow considering she doesn't know how to swim?
- How could Fran knows about the Doctor's past and problems with his father during the trip in the car?
I think that the game has several moments where it seems that what Fran is seeing must be real, and several other moments where the game is clearly implying that Fran is just imagining things. I think that the devs made a splendid job at making impossible to say wheter what's happening in the game is real or not, and so I believe that it pretty much ends up on personal interpretation and personal preference to choose what the ending truly was about.
Anyway, I'm going with the interpretation that it’s real, Fran does things and knows things she shouldn’t if she was just losing it that people have already brought it. Dr. Oswald was most likely trying to research ways to traverse the different realities. Twins probably have some sort of closer connection to the other realities, it’s why Mia and Clara have met Itward, and that’s why Oswald had such an interest in them. Most likely Oswald had Fran’s parents killed because they were trying to protect her from Oswald who wanted to exploit Fran’s powers. Leon writes in his journal that Remor seeks to drive his chosen victims into suicide by showing them nightmarish visions of themselves, which happens a few times in the game, you can even say that Remor showing Fran killing her parents is just another illusion to incite her to do it. When it comes down to it, the reality jumping is most likely real because if Fran was just insane why would Oswald have any special interest in her? It’s not like the asylum is lacking of mentally ill people.
Agree! And don't forget the room with the two corpses where Itward is written on the wall! Even though I don't really understand how Oswald knew that Fran would be special. Just because her mom and her aunt were special? And is this twin thing a female thing? So many questions!!
A split personality is a lot more believable for me now. Who's pedalling the bike in the ship (which we learn was literally an actual bike, and Fran was presumably the one pedalling to begin with)? Who opened the window in the house? I'm starting to suspect Fran's split personality is in fact Itward (alternately, he's a spirit or demon possessing her), and just about any time he comes to physically help out, or any time there's a blank in her memory, it was him. Her. It. You get the idea. Though that certainly doesn't change much in the ending - She got shot for sure, no questioning that was in fact real. What's next however is any number of things... One possibility I've thought of is that when Itward shows up, her split personality took over and basically just went nuts on the two of them, despite the wounds. It could also explain how she broke out of the chains (assuming there was not in fact a key, and that she did not have external help from someone or something else). The fact Palontras shows up to take her back to the other reality and convincing her to go with him and stay there could simply be her split personality deciding enough is enough and to take over permanently, while still letting her be relatively happy (while also making it seem like her decision). After all, Itward just wants what's best for Fran, right?