Mafia III: Definitive Edition

Mafia III: Definitive Edition

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Zaxx 2015 年 8 月 15 日 上午 5:42
This is why we have a black protagonist
Seems like most people can't get through the usual, frankly kinda stupid argument of "the mafia is supposed to be Italian" so I thought I'd share my opinion on the reasons behind Mafia 3's black protagonist. There is a lot to it honestly.

First, the mafia is not just Italian. Yes, the word originates from Sicily but it's actually used as a common term for crime organizations with a specific structure and range of activities. It's not what they are, it's what they do and the Italian mafia actually calls itself "Cosa Nostra". The Mafia series was never called Cosa Nostra, right? That means that yep, you can do a game where you're only against the Italians and not with them.

The other reasons come from the time and setting I think. New Orleans was pretty famous for its Italian mob but here's the thing: by the time of 1970 they really didn't do much anymore, well, if you don't count getting irrelevant as doing something, that is. Using the Italian mafia in this time and setting would be just wrong, telling a story about their downfall however is a much better idea.

Also if you want your story to focus on the year 1968 and New Orleans and you want that to feel authentic then using a black character as a protagonist is simply a must. You need to portray the importance of the assassination of Martin Luther King, you need to portray racism in the south and the most straightforward way of doing that is to step into the shoes of a black dude.

So yep, you can disagree with this and say that the authentic mafia experience starts with the Italians for you but I think Hangar 13 really did the right thing this time.

最後修改者:Zaxx; 2016 年 4 月 19 日 下午 9:49
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Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 7 日 下午 9:20 
引用自 DegoMarterWarham
? I thought the Irish called the Brits yankees, then later Americans were called that by the Brits
Yankee (n.)
1683, a name applied disparagingly by Dutch settlers in New Amsterdam (New York) to English colonists in neighboring Connecticut. It may be from Dutch Janke, literally "Little John," diminutive of common personal name Jan; or it may be from Jan Kes familiar form of "John Cornelius," or perhaps an alteration of Jan Kees, dialectal variant of Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese," the generic nickname the Flemings used for Dutchmen.
t is to be noted that it is common to name a droll fellow, regarded as typical of his country, after some favorite article of food, as E[nglish] Jack-pudding, G[erman] Hanswurst ("Jack Sausage"), F[rench] Jean Farine ("Jack Flour"). [Century Dictionary, 1902, entry for "macaroni"]
Originally it seems to have been applied insultingly to the Dutch, especially freebooters, before they turned around and slapped it on the English. A less-likely theory (attested by 1832) is that it represents some southern New England Algonquian language mangling of English. In English a term of contempt (1750s) before its use as a general term for "native of New England" (1765); during the American Revolution it became a disparaging British word for all American natives or inhabitants. Contrasted with southerner by 1828. Shortened form Yank in reference to "an American" first recorded 1778. Latin-American form Yanqui attested in English by 1914 (in Mexican Spanish by 1835).
The rule observed in this country is, that the man who receives that name [Yankee] must come from some part north of him who gives it. To compensate us for giving each other nicknames, John Bull "lumps us all together," and calls us all Yankees. ["Who is a Yankee?" Massachusetts Spy, June 6, 1827]
Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 7 日 下午 10:05 
引用自 Starbug
African-Americans need to find their own culture and stop blaming "the man" for stealing theirs when it wasn't theirs in the first place.

wow.. you've taken this whole subversion of the white mafia scum archetype a bit too seriously.
it's just a game, right?
Mylar 2016 年 5 月 7 日 下午 11:32 
>snip<
African-Americans need to find their own culture and stop blaming "the man" for stealing theirs when it wasn't theirs in the first place. >snip<
You could have saved us the other 1,400,000 words. This is succinct and says everything you've been struggling to say for the past three weeks.
Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 12:05 
引用自 Mylar
>snip<
African-Americans need to find their own culture and stop blaming "the man" for stealing theirs when it wasn't theirs in the first place. >snip<
You could have saved us the other 1,400,000 words. This is succinct and says everything you've been struggling to say for the past three weeks.
Words are nothing without context & detail, so I disagree, plus that alone would seem to the oversensitive & misinformed incorrect without that further context & detail I've provided thus far elsewhere.

A friend of mine, a Nigerian prince, told me about this--something fascinating to me--from the Benin Kingdom, while an Ijebi female friend of mine told me maybe eight years ago about their kingdom's history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Benin (Benin) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungbo%27s_Eredo (Yoruba Ijebu) This is western African culture, and it's the coolest. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Edo_ivory_mask_18472.jpg It's unfortunate that many artifacts were assumedly destroyed when the English burnt the city-state.
最後修改者:Offensive Screen-name; 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 12:21
Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 12:10 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvL8phDaNI the best song from one of my favorite musical groups: Junior MAFIA @JollyJew
引用自 Starbug
African-Americans need to find their own culture and stop blaming "the man" for stealing theirs when it wasn't theirs in the first place.

wow.. you've taken this whole subversion of the white mafia scum archetype a bit too seriously.

yeah... what he said... i really have nothing to add... claiming that a mafia is something cultural that black men are stealing??? REALLY? like REAAAALY???? im in a loss for words here. you are indeed hopless.

but just to clearify. Mafia = organized crime. PERIOD. not itallian. not sicillian. just plain. organized crime. almost every single 1st world country has one. if you think mafia is something tied with culture you are beyond ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

oh and nice job bringing up a song of a band that ironically called themselves mafia (hell its not even their actual name, its initials) to counter my arguement. that's just downright pathetic. sorry to be harsh but there is no nicer way to say this.
Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 9:24 
引用自 Jolly Jew
引用自 Starbug

wow.. you've taken this whole subversion of the white mafia scum archetype a bit too seriously.

yeah... what he said... i really have nothing to add... claiming that a mafia is something cultural that black men are stealing??? REALLY? like REAAAALY???? im in a loss for words here. you are indeed hopless.

but just to clearify. Mafia = organized crime. PERIOD. not itallian. not sicillian. just plain. organized crime. almost every single 1st world country has one. if you think mafia is something tied with culture you are beyond ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

oh and nice job bringing up a song of a band that ironically called themselves mafia (hell its not even their actual name, its initials) to counter my arguement. that's just downright pathetic. sorry to be harsh but there is no nicer way to say this.
but clearly, instead of addressing my arguement, you simply attack me, which means that I've won the contest here with nothing further from you, thank you
引用自 Jolly Jew

yeah... what he said... i really have nothing to add... claiming that a mafia is something cultural that black men are stealing??? REALLY? like REAAAALY???? im in a loss for words here. you are indeed hopless.

but just to clearify. Mafia = organized crime. PERIOD. not itallian. not sicillian. just plain. organized crime. almost every single 1st world country has one. if you think mafia is something tied with culture you are beyond ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.

oh and nice job bringing up a song of a band that ironically called themselves mafia (hell its not even their actual name, its initials) to counter my arguement. that's just downright pathetic. sorry to be harsh but there is no nicer way to say this.
but clearly, instead of addressing my arguement, you simply attack me, which means that I've won the contest here with nothing further from you, thank you

your arguement is complete bull. when you take offense when someone steals a CRIME "CULTURE" then there is nothing else to say.

Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 10:42 
引用自 Jolly Jew
but clearly, instead of addressing my arguement, you simply attack me, which means that I've won the contest here with nothing further from you, thank you

your arguement is complete bull. when you take offense when someone steals a CRIME "CULTURE" then there is nothing else to say.
culture is culture, and all you have is name-calling--no intellect in sight, and I dare ask how you can see at all for that matter with such a low brow?
Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 10:44 
引用自 Starbug
I've won the contest here with nothing further from you, thank you

but Jolly Jew wasn't trying to win the award for most racist person in the thread.
yea, white skin is evil, and let's not start with those Caucasoids/Caucasians, because no matter their skin colors, they're responsible for most of the evil in recorded history--but that's not a racist statement, so I'll just throw in that they're genetically the worst
Mylar 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 10:58 
引用自 Starbug

but Jolly Jew wasn't trying to win the award for most racist person in the thread.
yea, white skin is evil, and let's not start with those Caucasoids/Caucasians, because no matter their skin colors, they're responsible for most of the evil in recorded history--but that's not a racist statement, so I'll just throw in that they're genetically the worst
Let’s just hope for a better day, when natural selection leads to all peoples being psychopathically obsessed with skin color and the misappropriation of our beloved fedora wearing Sicilian shakedown artists.
DegoMarterWarham 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 11:25 
引用自 Starbug

but Jolly Jew wasn't trying to win the award for most racist person in the thread.
yea, white skin is evil, and let's not start with those Caucasoids/Caucasians, because no matter their skin colors, they're responsible for most of the evil in recorded history--but that's not a racist statement, so I'll just throw in that they're genetically the worst
White people arent evil, but like any group of people, it is the attitude and motives of said person or group of people
Offensive Screen-name 2016 年 5 月 8 日 上午 11:29 
引用自 Mylar
yea, white skin is evil, and let's not start with those Caucasoids/Caucasians, because no matter their skin colors, they're responsible for most of the evil in recorded history--but that's not a racist statement, so I'll just throw in that they're genetically the worst
Let’s just hope for a better day, when natural selection leads to all peoples being psychopathically obsessed with skin color and the misappropriation of our beloved fedora wearing Sicilian shakedown artists.
let's hope that you realize the difference one day between sociology-defined race as per Karl Marx's bias about skin-color and the actual academia surrounding the science--where biological race has nothing to do with skin-color except incidentally all Out of Africa populations having the white skin genetic adaptation
Mylar 2016 年 5 月 8 日 下午 12:01 
Sociology has nothing to do with race. Have you got a word-a-day calendar on your desk or what?


ETA: Before you try your typical comeback with a link to the definition of Sociology, it has nothing to do with "defining race". Where race is concerned it's the study of the relationships and conflicts between segments of society. Those are two very different things. Please stop trying to teach and start trying to learn.
最後修改者:Mylar; 2016 年 5 月 8 日 下午 12:07
引用自 Starbug
May day sounds like a SJW from the dark side, whining about black people culturally misappropriating "honorable" European gangsterism. No doubt this is a prelude to another diatribe about Afrocentrists.

thanks for putting my thoughts into words. the topic became so stupid that im losing the ability to speak coherantly
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