lincoln clay is not the man for the job

[clayffo]

My opinion is that Lincoln Clay should not be put into the role and someone building a new crime family. Here are my reasons based upon playing about half way through and blind:

1. Personality - He is very trusting. Everyone sees this and most of the people i have so far recruited don't like and/or trust him. Additionally, Jon Donovan is clearly playing him for his own personal reasons.
a. The only reason people support him is by simple threat of violence. It won't surprise me one bit if he gets double crossed again. I did not flinch when he was shot and left for dead early on as he sort of deserved it for trusting those guys with so much money.

2. Lack of Leadership - This guy is clearly a badass soldier and he is very focused when it comes to hunt and kill missions. Unfortunately, the skills required to be a crime family leader include political influence, understanding of business, and people you can trust with your life. he has none of this

3. Lack of Vision - Lincoln Clay is someone you would want to see in a revenge action movie. Destroy the crime family and burn everything. end of story.

The game requires him to take and re-invest in the stolen assets and territory. he partners with people because he lacks the skills and resources to do it himself. My question is, why do these guys want to follow him? He says over and over that they need to pay him his cut, but he does not contribute any leadership to the operations once he has completed the primary mission (such as capping a warehouse). He does what i call ♥♥♥♥♥ missions for them (go fetch essentially)

Again, his only direction is the keep the cash flowing. How they get the cash is not important and he really does not have any means of determining if they are paying him correctly or not.

4. Long term surviveability - Lincoln Clay is just a well trained street thug. His actions are not hidden and his motives are well known. A guy like this will get caught by the FBI and or killed off by his associates because he makes so many mistakes.

I would have preferred to see a character more like GTAs Michael De Santa if you're going down the crime family route. If going down the local gang dominance route, a character more like Franklin or Lamar (GTA V) would be more appropriate.

[waaaazzza]

De Santa ok, but not Franklin or Lamar !

[Skylers Meth]

How dare you call him a thug, he's just a normal person of color trying to get by, the ♥♥ ♥♥ should leave him alone. He dindu nuffin.

[Vedra]

So you are actually not managing your family? you are just giving territories to your sub bosses and that's it? Why is this game call Mafia again??

[Super King Big Nutz]

Diposting pertama kali oleh timpi83:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Skylers Meth:

How dare you call him a thug, he's just a normal person of color trying to get by, the ♥♥ ♥♥ should leave him alone. He dindu nuffin.

robbing tills, murdering people, stealing cars... hm, you are right, those are just "cultural flaws" and should not be judged... ;D

Wasn't Vito doing the same last game?

[Skylers Meth]

Yes, but the police go after Lincoln unfairly, they shoot at him even when he's running away. Or when i'm making him run away. They never did that with Vito. Wait, they did. Anyway, it's bad when fake police try to stop fake people doing bad things. Where's my hands up don't shoot function dammit?

[Super King Big Nutz]

Well, they do point out that the cops are in Marcano's pocket and will shoot to kill, I seem to recall...

[Skylers Meth]

But I still can't knife them under the chin brutally, even when they aren't clearly wascist.

[SkyUni]

Dumb racist

[AMilli0NliGHTS]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Big Daddy Danger:

Diposting pertama kali oleh timpi83:

robbing tills, murdering people, stealing cars... hm, you are right, those are just "cultural flaws" and should not be judged... ;D

Wasn't Vito doing the same last game?

Yup, but he's not black, so apparently it's okay.

[Chesty La'Rou]

Did the OP even watch the part where it mentioned Lincoln was part of the Phoenix Program in Vietnam....I think that more than qualifies him for this part....

[clayffo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Chesty La'Rou:

Did the OP even watch the part where it mentioned Lincoln was part of the Phoenix Program in Vietnam....I think that more than qualifies him for this part....

I remember a very brief cut scene that mentions it, but nothing in detail. I cannot find any literature on it from an internet search. i would appreciate anything you may have.

i am assuming, based upon his background and actions in game, that the phoenix program involved activites such as espionage, search and destroy missions, and assasinations.

All of these activities are good and well if the only path for this game was to destroy Marcano and his group, including the rackets and assets. However, the game provides the opportunity to take control of these activities. That is what i take exception with as he is not trained to manage a crime syndicate.

[clayffo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh GefreiterLV95:

So you are actually not managing your family? you are just giving territories to your sub bosses and that's it? Why is this game call Mafia again??

maybe i haven't played far enough in it, but there is no managing at this point. I have taken over a couple of districts and was forced to assign them to specific people. All tasks that i am doing are go fetch, go kill, go collect money activities. There is no management.

[Рафнсвартр]

No leadership? Man, you have your own sense of reality. :) Just rewatch the first meeting of Lincoln and other underbosses. Damn, if you will rewatch it and keep telling me he's a bad leader, then you overthinking your life, man.

[clayffo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh El Chapo:

No leadership? Man, you have your own sense of reality. :) Just rewatch the first meeting of Lincoln and other underbosses. Damn, if you will rewatch it and keep telling me he's a bad leader, then you overthinking your life, man.

Correct no leadership. I don't see how him telling these people to do as he says or he'll kill them next is a good representation of leadership. he also just says kill this guy, then this guy with no detail. Finally he has that snake jon donovan tape the call.

[Herb & Bea Ehltée]

Diposting pertama kali oleh clayffo:

1. Personality - He is very trusting.

Funny enough, he is distrustful of his 3 lieutenants, but very stupidly drinks the whisky that Marcano offers him at the end. If Marcano had any cyanide on hand he could have easiliy laced it and killed Lincoln with that "have a drink with me" trick.