Is this game actually Rainbow 6? If it is, then why so?

[limakilo]

So, a new R6 game pops on to the market. I'm very excited, as I really enjoyed the previous games up to Rainbow Six 3 - Ravenshield. That was the last game that I enjoyed before it turned into a console game.

Now we have this Rainbow 6. It looks great, plays good, and is very well put together, optimised nicely from my experience.

My main problem with the game is that it has absolutely nothing to do with Rainbow 6. Whether that is the books, or the previous games;

* No Team Rainbow - Sure, it's called R6, but there is no appearance of anyone going by the name of this. There are the usual special forces, but none of them are in team rainbow. On top of this, they have completely ditched the characters from all the previous games.

* No single player campaign - This also means no planning, a key part of any R6 game.

* Random scenarios - Why would the SAS be in American suburbia doing a job that the local SWAT/Sherrif would be doing? Why are the SAS in a Rainbow 6 game? (Yes, members of team Rainbow where once in SAS etc, I know).

* Characters - So instead of ex-special forces soldiers being recruited into Team Rainbow, it is just apparently special forces cartoon characters. Dressed like.. well anime cartoon characters. They look completely ridiculous equipment and gear. They actually look like they covered themselves in glue, and then crawled through the bargain bin in a military surplus store that got all it's gear from a third world country.

* Weapons - Okay, why do the SAS blokes get a standard issue rifle, with it's optical sight removed? And why is there hardly any weapons anyway? Here is a list of weapons in R6:3 ;

1 Pistols
1.1 Beretta 92FS
1.2 IMI Desert Eagle
1.3 Heckler & Koch Mark 23 Mod 0
1.4 Heckler & Koch USP40
1.5 SIG-Sauer P228
1.6 Glock 17
1.7 FN Five-seveN
1.8 Beretta 93R
1.9 Steyr SPP
2 Machine Pistols
2.1 SR-2 Veresk
2.2 MAC-11/9
2.3 SA vz. 61 Skorpion
2.4 IMI Micro Uzi
3 Submachine Guns
3.1 IMI Uzi
3.2 Heckler & Koch MP5A4
3.3 Heckler & Koch MP5/10A2
3.4 Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW
3.5 Heckler & Koch MP5SD5
3.6 FN P90
3.7 Heckler & Koch PDW (MP7 Prototype)
3.8 Steyr TMP
3.9 Heckler & Koch UMP
3.10 Spectre M4
3.11 Beretta M12S
3.12 Micro Tavor MTAR-21 Prototype
4 Assault Rifles
4.1 AK-47
4.2 AK-74M
4.3 OTs-14-4A-01 Groza
4.4 Steyr AUG A1
4.5 FAMAS G2
4.6 Norinco QBZ-97B
4.7 Heckler & Koch G3A3
4.8 Heckler & Koch G3KA4
4.9 Heckler & Koch G36KE
4.10 M14
4.11 FN FAL
4.12 FN FNC
4.13 IMI Galil ARM
4.14 Howa Type 89-F
4.15 L85A1
4.16 Valmet M82
4.17 M16A2
4.18 Colt M4A1
4.19 Tavor TAR-21
5 Machine Guns
5.1 M249-E2 SAW
5.2 Ultimax 100 Mark 2
5.3 M60E4
5.4 M240B
5.5 Heckler & Koch HK21E
5.6 Heckler & Koch HK23E
5.7 RPD
6 Shotguns
6.1 Franchi SPAS-12
6.2 Benelli M1 Super 90
6.3 Benelli M4 Super 90
6.4 Daewoo USAS-12
6.5 Pancor Jackhammer
7 Sniper Rifles
7.1 Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Covert
7.2 SIG-Sauer SSG 3000
7.3 SVD Dragunov
7.4 Heckler & Koch SL-8
7.5 Heckler & Koch PSG1
7.6 VSS Vintorez
7.7 Barrett M82A1
7.8 Walther WA 2000
7.9 Knight's Armament SR-25

All these weapons where available to every operator. You could add a sight, suppressor and hi capacity magazines to most of them. Now, the "top" operators in the world have to use terrible weapons.

* 5 vs 5 - What? I thought it was 2016.

All I can say is, this has absolutely ruined the name of Rainbow 6.

Could of at least stuck this somewhere

[img]http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/76/75494/crop_120x90/03.png[/img]

rip

[Try.Hardin]

Well don't play.

[Pvt. Stash]

I've said it in a dozen other threads and I'll say it again here. This is the world games are moving into. I don't like it, but it's true.

Major companies like Ubi are looking for recurring revenue models so they don't have to build a game from scratch every 3 years. Why spend millions ever few years on a title that could flop just because you release it 12 days before ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Call of Duty Reskin 2016 SuperDoucheGolden Edition gets released?

Games are being built following the MMO model where the core game and initial investment happens once, and a smaller team creates DLC for a fee over several years. If the game flops, just move those devs into your next attempt at a hit and close the doors.

What are the most likely candidates for these types of conversions? You guessed it...extremely popular franchises with a rabidly loyal player base. That's Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon for Ubi. Ghost Recon Phantoms has already flopped. Now they're trying again with Siege.

You're not the only one upset. I really wanted Rainbow Six Patriots, but it was cancelled. That's the game the community was waiting for, but we got Siege instead. I love the game flaws and all. I just hope Ubi gives it the chance it deserves.

Next time do some research before you purchase a game and you won't have to waste your time or mine on a forum that's barely monitored by the Ubi team.

[hooperx2024]

I'd have to agree. Bought this solely based on my experiences with the first 3-4 R6 games I would play back in college. It's not even close to R6:Vegas (which I wasn't particularly fond of), it's probably closer on the COD:MW spectrum of things, just in our backyard instead of the former USSR.

It's not the worst game ever, it's infinitely better than the crap COD is churning out now....but if you're a big time fan of the old R6 and expecting it to be similar you'll be disappointed. Is it fun? Sorta. When you can find other people to play with.

[Pvt. Stash]

Postat inițial de hooperx2024:

I'd have to agree. Bought this solely based on my experiences with the first 3-4 R6 games I would play back in college. It's not even close to R6:Vegas (which I wasn't particularly fond of), it's probably closer on the COD:MW spectrum of things, just in our backyard instead of the former USSR.

It's not the worst game ever, it's infinitely better than the crap COD is churning out now....but if you're a big time fan of the old R6 and expecting it to be similar you'll be disappointed. Is it fun? Sorta. When you can find other people to play with.

I agree with you. I was playing the first RB6 on release day. I bought this and the season pass the second I saw it on Steam. I was a little bummed when I actually read what the game was, but I had several months to cancel my preorder.

After hours of playing, and a few beers, I looked at it for what it is: A recurring revenue model with a hit title. I like the game, I like the premise, and I'm happy to pay for more if Ubi can prove they're going to enhance the game instead of just taking my money.

[Space Rat]

Postat inițial de Pvt. Stash:

I've said it in a dozen other threads and I'll say it again here. This is the world games are moving into. I don't like it, but it's true.

Major companies like Ubi are looking for recurring revenue models so they don't have to build a game from scratch every 3 years. Why spend millions ever few years on a title that could flop just because you release it 12 days before ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Call of Duty Reskin 2016 SuperDoucheGolden Edition gets released?

Games are being built following the MMO model where the core game and initial investment happens once, and a smaller team creates DLC for a fee over several years. If the game flops, just move those devs into your next attempt at a hit and close the doors.

What are the most likely candidates for these types of conversions? You guessed it...extremely popular franchises with a rabidly loyal player base. That's Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon for Ubi. Ghost Recon Phantoms has already flopped. Now they're trying again with Siege.

You're not the only one upset. I really wanted Rainbow Six Patriots, but it was cancelled. That's the game the community was waiting for, but we got Siege instead. I love the game flaws and all. I just hope Ubi gives it the chance it deserves.

Next time do some research before you purchase a game and you won't have to waste your time or mine on a forum that's barely monitored by the Ubi team.

Ghost Recon Wildlands looks rather good so far. I found the best way to look at Siege is that it is more of a spinoff of R6.

[JayLuv]

lmao at Call of Duty Reskin 2016 SuperDoucheGolden editon hahahahaha

[Pvt. Stash]

Postat inițial de Aurorannight:

Ghost Recon Wildlands looks rather good so far. I found the best way to look at Siege is that it is more of a spinoff of R6.

+1

Postat inițial de WUGGER SHAX:

lmao at Call of Duty Reskin 2016 SuperDoucheGolden editon hahahahaha

+1

[Cpt. Pete "Maverick" Mitchell]

I've never played a rainbow 6 game before other than this and i love it.

[Dakota]

Postat inițial de limakilo:

My main problem with the game is that it has absolutely nothing to do with Rainbow 6. Whether that is the books, or the previous games;

* No Team Rainbow - Sure, it's called R6, but there is no appearance of anyone going by the name of this. There are the usual special forces, but none of them are in team rainbow. On top of this, they have completely ditched the characters from all the previous games.

* No single player campaign - This also means no planning, a key part of any R6 game.

* Random scenarios - Why would the SAS be in American suburbia doing a job that the local SWAT/Sherrif would be doing? Why are the SAS in a Rainbow 6 game? (Yes, members of team Rainbow where once in SAS etc, I know).

Well, I'm about to hit you with some information that may fill you with some hope for a better Rainbow Six in the future.

So, to start, There is a Team Rainbow afterall. How this game puts it, is like this. Team Rainbow was deactivated for some time, the situations in the game are supposed to be a retraining process, once you finish them with a certain number of challenges completed, you unlock Article 5. Article 5 is an attack on a college campus, and is the *first mission you encounter with the newly reactived, Team Rainbow. As to why the operators are mixed, well, with the reactivation of Team Rainbow, came with the decision to make them an international Counter-Terrorism Unit, that would be comprised of the soldiers most capable of dealing with new and emerging terrorist threats.

As to why "the SAS be in American suburbia doing a job that the local SWAT/Sherrif would be doing?", well, they're not the SAS, they're members of both the SAS and Team Rainbow, or are only Rainbow members with prior time in the SAS. As to why they're there (the team in general), it is because once things hit a certain level of intensity, state authourities are no longer in charge. If it were a robbery, someone being held by robbers, or something else around that level, then they would have full jurisdiction to do as they see fit. Unfortunately for the terrorists, once they walk onto the scene with chemical weapons, hostages, masked faces, and a plan to conduct an attack on a country, the local police forces (at least in most countries like the US), lose their authority to someone else that is more suited to deal with the situation.

Anyways, to wrap this up. Team Rainbow has just been reactivated, and it seems as if this game is leading up to another game, probably one with a further developed story. Remember Patriots that was being worked on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMz8PKe5RFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1pFFBUycSM
Yeah, that one. I have a feeling that, maybe, this game was a way of testing out how a future, better game, could be developed. Also, it's possible that this was also a way of extending the period of wait to acquire certain assets they wanted to reboot the franchise, like funds, or software tools. Maybe, this is a way of safely easing into making an amazing new Rainbow Six. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there there were some similar steps taken between Medal of Honor's multiplayer when it was rebooted and Battlefield

[Pvt. Stash]

Postat inițial de Captain Canada:

I've never played a rainbow 6 game before other than this and i love it.

And that is exactly how the community should view every title that hits the market not just RB6. It's a new game. Do some research, play demos, watch early access videos. Come in with fresh eyes.

+1 to you, mate.

[LowPoly]

all i tell myself everytime i question siege is at least we didnt get r6patriots

[Vote Reform]

Your about 2 months late with this thread OP, and there have been tons of similar ones.

"* 5 vs 5 - What? I thought it was 2016."

Yep its closed quarters battles , its called Siege for a reason, it isnt 10 + players as side rushing around mindless CoD or BF gameplay.

[Uncle Sam]

Postat inițial de limakilo:

So, a new R6 game pops on to the market. I'm very excited, as I really enjoyed the previous games up to Rainbow Six 3 - Ravenshield. That was the last game that I enjoyed before it turned into a console game.

Now we have this Rainbow 6. It looks great, plays good, and is very well put together, optimised nicely from my experience.

My main problem with the game is that it has absolutely nothing to do with Rainbow 6. Whether that is the books, or the previous games;

* No Team Rainbow - Sure, it's called R6, but there is no appearance of anyone going by the name of this. There are the usual special forces, but none of them are in team rainbow. On top of this, they have completely ditched the characters from all the previous games.

* No single player campaign - This also means no planning, a key part of any R6 game.

* Random scenarios - Why would the SAS be in American suburbia doing a job that the local SWAT/Sherrif would be doing? Why are the SAS in a Rainbow 6 game? (Yes, members of team Rainbow where once in SAS etc, I know).

* Characters - So instead of ex-special forces soldiers being recruited into Team Rainbow, it is just apparently special forces cartoon characters. Dressed like.. well anime cartoon characters. They look completely ridiculous equipment and gear. They actually look like they covered themselves in glue, and then crawled through the bargain bin in a military surplus store that got all it's gear from a third world country.

* Weapons - Okay, why do the SAS blokes get a standard issue rifle, with it's optical sight removed? And why is there hardly any weapons anyway? Here is a list of weapons in R6:3 ;

1 Pistols
1.1 Beretta 92FS
1.2 IMI Desert Eagle
1.3 Heckler & Koch Mark 23 Mod 0
1.4 Heckler & Koch USP40
1.5 SIG-Sauer P228
1.6 Glock 17
1.7 FN Five-seveN
1.8 Beretta 93R
1.9 Steyr SPP
2 Machine Pistols
2.1 SR-2 Veresk
2.2 MAC-11/9
2.3 SA vz. 61 Skorpion
2.4 IMI Micro Uzi
3 Submachine Guns
3.1 IMI Uzi
3.2 Heckler & Koch MP5A4
3.3 Heckler & Koch MP5/10A2
3.4 Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW
3.5 Heckler & Koch MP5SD5
3.6 FN P90
3.7 Heckler & Koch PDW (MP7 Prototype)
3.8 Steyr TMP
3.9 Heckler & Koch UMP
3.10 Spectre M4
3.11 Beretta M12S
3.12 Micro Tavor MTAR-21 Prototype
4 Assault Rifles
4.1 AK-47
4.2 AK-74M
4.3 OTs-14-4A-01 Groza
4.4 Steyr AUG A1
4.5 FAMAS G2
4.6 Norinco QBZ-97B
4.7 Heckler & Koch G3A3
4.8 Heckler & Koch G3KA4
4.9 Heckler & Koch G36KE
4.10 M14
4.11 FN FAL
4.12 FN FNC
4.13 IMI Galil ARM
4.14 Howa Type 89-F
4.15 L85A1
4.16 Valmet M82
4.17 M16A2
4.18 Colt M4A1
4.19 Tavor TAR-21
5 Machine Guns
5.1 M249-E2 SAW
5.2 Ultimax 100 Mark 2
5.3 M60E4
5.4 M240B
5.5 Heckler & Koch HK21E
5.6 Heckler & Koch HK23E
5.7 RPD
6 Shotguns
6.1 Franchi SPAS-12
6.2 Benelli M1 Super 90
6.3 Benelli M4 Super 90
6.4 Daewoo USAS-12
6.5 Pancor Jackhammer
7 Sniper Rifles
7.1 Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Covert
7.2 SIG-Sauer SSG 3000
7.3 SVD Dragunov
7.4 Heckler & Koch SL-8
7.5 Heckler & Koch PSG1
7.6 VSS Vintorez
7.7 Barrett M82A1
7.8 Walther WA 2000
7.9 Knight's Armament SR-25

All these weapons where available to every operator. You could add a sight, suppressor and hi capacity magazines to most of them. Now, the "top" operators in the world have to use terrible weapons.

* 5 vs 5 - What? I thought it was 2016.

All I can say is, this has absolutely ruined the name of Rainbow 6.

Could of at least stuck this somewhere

[img]http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/downloads/1/76/75494/crop_120x90/03.png[/img]

rip

Agreed with this. +1

[limakilo]

Postat inițial de Ligolase:

Well don't play.

I'm not. Next!

[ShodaN]

Postat inițial de limakilo:

* 5 vs 5 - What? I thought it was 2016.

As in "the longest standing tactical shooter franchise still uses this regardless" (It's CS if you are even too dumb for that).

Also free for all deathmatches have been around since the early 90s.