"Old School Siege is coming back"

[Corvo.03]

So I started in year 2, and currently in year 8 the game is so different that if I touched this game once in 2017 and came back here now I'd think it's a ripoff or a copycat of the R6 Siege version that I played.
Now starting year 9 I hear a lot of people going "Old Siege is coming back", now in my opinion the damage is already done and there's no going back to the old days. But I wanna hear your opinion, specially OG players. Is Siege gonna make a return to it's golden days? Is it even gonna get close? I used to play this game a lot but TDM meta and a lot of changes to the gameplay made me switch games long time ago, if we're actually going back to the old days I might consider making Siege one of my main games again.

[AhBenCaliss de Tabarnak]

This season will hopefully kill TDM meta. Having Jynxzi 'revive' the game probably killed it at the same time too, the community is way more toxic, more stupid and doesnt care about having fun, only kills. I'm still playing though

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by Reported 𒆜4𝟐𝟶ĥ𝒛:

This season will hopefully kill TDM meta. Having Jynxzi 'revive' the game probably killed it at the same time too, the community is way more toxic, more stupid and doesnt care about having fun, only kills. I'm still playing though

Yeah I totally agree. The only time I launch Siege is when I have 3 or 4 of my friends online that still play this game daily. Other than that whenever I tried to go solo it just wouldn't work. Nobody cares about defuser or protecting bombs with crazy fun or tactical strats, now it's just run and gun.

[Tan]

current devs are Esport orientated.. Serious devs. They listen to PRO cry babies by removing sofia withstand, remove dead bodies, night maps, Terorhunt, nerf Frost trap, removed extraction.

[AhBenCaliss de Tabarnak]

Originally posted by AlFei:

Originally posted by Reported 𒆜4𝟐𝟶ĥ𝒛:

This season will hopefully kill TDM meta. Having Jynxzi 'revive' the game probably killed it at the same time too, the community is way more toxic, more stupid and doesnt care about having fun, only kills. I'm still playing though

Yeah I totally agree. The only time I launch Siege is when I have 3 or 4 of my friends online that still play this game daily. Other than that whenever I tried to go solo it just wouldn't work. Nobody cares about defuser or protecting bombs with crazy fun or tactical strats, now it's just run and gun.

Exactly, I've never really played casual before and now I do because it's so frustrating being solo in ranked

[AhBenCaliss de Tabarnak]

Originally posted by Tan:

current devs are Esport orientated.. Serious devs. They listen to PRO cry babies by removing sofia withstand, remove dead bodies, night maps, Terorhunt, nerf Frost trap, removed extraction.

You're right but they also listen to some extent of the community aswell, look at the changes they are doing now, it feels like the starting of an operation health

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by Tan:

current devs are Esport orientated.. Serious devs. They listen to PRO cry babies by removing sofia withstand, remove dead bodies, night maps, Terorhunt, nerf Frost trap, removed extraction.

Yeah it's sad to see video game developers change their games just for Esports while ignoring the majority of their playerbase.

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by Reported 𒆜4𝟐𝟶ĥ𝒛:

Originally posted by Tan:

current devs are Esport orientated.. Serious devs. They listen to PRO cry babies by removing sofia withstand, remove dead bodies, night maps, Terorhunt, nerf Frost trap, removed extraction.

You're right but they also listen to some extent of the community aswell, look at the changes they are doing now, it feels like the starting of an operation health :cozypoechris:

What's funny to me is they geniunely do want to counter TDM meta, which means listening to the community as you mentioned. But at the same time the next operator invites you to a duel lol. It's like the balancing team and the team in charge of new operators don't work on the same game.

[DΞVK!t]

Here's the thing. People are saying this, but I'm having a sense of deja vu here.

Game gets to a point where it's unfun, unplayable or both, players start rioting.
Ubisoft says they will start fixing the game, solutions either leave a lot to be desired or just straight up make it worse, but even if they give something good, next update (sometimes as soon as the next patch or next season) and for mostly the rest of the year is filled with questionable decisions at the very least. And then Ubisoft downscales the support to the bare minimum. Cycle repeats

This time is very similar. It doesn't help that youtubers are being paid to say that sometimes, even if they said the same thing last year, but whatever.

Ok Ubisoft, you want to change your game, fine. But honestly, trying to please both sides and trying to make your own changes just don't work. Pick a side, for once.

Anyway, while making a u-turn would be really nice, I wouldn't hold my breath. I want to see what they will come up with at the very least with the next season or two. Then maybe I can say that they are seriously thinking about it. But until then, it seems like they are putting a facade to keep existing players who're stuck with siege with temporary hopium, like they've always done.

[HoneyDrake]

"TDM" meta existed since early times, beta even.

People just love to ignore that, because their attention span is that small, while they barely remember what they ate a few hours ago.

People love to forget stuff like how Spawn Peeking was way more rampant when Bartlett U. still existed, has everyone forgotten the direct spawn peek kills on yacht? Seriously.

The game was never "strategical", most of the tools we had "back then" were unrealistic already: IQ, Pulse, Thatcher? Seriously? Those technologies are more like to never get invented compared to something like Iana, who is way more realistic than those.

Let's see how the game ends up being.

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by Mr. Beanber:

Here's the thing. People are saying this, but I'm having a sense of deja vu here.

Game gets to a point where it's unfun, unplayable or both, players start rioting.
Ubisoft says they will start fixing the game, solutions either leave a lot to be desired or just straight up make it worse, but even if they give something good, next update (sometimes as soon as the next patch or next season) and for mostly the rest of the year is filled with questionable decisions at the very least. And then Ubisoft downscales the support to the bare minimum. Cycle repeats

This time is very similar. It doesn't help that youtubers are being paid to say that sometimes, even if they said the same thing last year, but whatever.

Ok Ubisoft, you want to change your game, fine. But honestly, trying to please both sides and trying to make your own changes just don't work. Pick a side, for once.

Anyway, while making a u-turn would be really nice, I wouldn't hold my breath. I want to see what they will come up with at the very least with the next season or two. Then maybe I can say that they are seriously thinking about it. But until then, it seems like they are putting a facade to keep existing players who're stuck with siege with temporary hopium, like they've always done.

I know exactly what you mean.
Unfortunately they've never been good at going down one road, they always ruin their popular games by trying out new stuff no one asked for. And by the time they try to "fix" it most people have moved on.

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by HoneyDrake:

"TDM" meta existed since early times, beta even.

People just love to ignore that, because their attention span is that small, while they barely remember what they ate a few hours ago.

People love to forget stuff like how Spawn Peeking was way more rampant when Bartlett U. still existed, has everyone forgotten the direct spawn peek kills on yacht? Seriously.

The game was never "strategical", most of the tools we had "back then" were unrealistic already: IQ, Pulse, Thatcher? Seriously? Those technologies are more like to never get invented compared to something like Iana, who is way more realistic than those.

Let's see how the game ends up being.

Well obviously Siege has never been too realistic of course. But the players had a choice in how to play the game.
You had a breacher, a support, a flanker and etc. that had their own jobs.
It's like okay the other team is roaming around, leaving soft walls open and shooting everything they see on sight, let's rush inside take control of their primary sites. Or the other team is making a fortress out of the objective, let's take the destructive route and make them come out of their site.
Nowadays there's one guy that's basically trying to complete the objective while all the rest of the team are either dead under 30 seconds because they keep rushing or they're randomly wondering around the map.
When we say Siege was a "Tactical Shooter" that's what we mean, that you could plan out different types of play. Compared to now that if you don't have a 1.5 on your gun and you're not trying to get that KD from going up you're guaranteed to lose the match, there's no more improvising and planning as much as before because nobody plays the game the same as before. And I'm sure it's because of unnecessary changes to the gameplay and copy pasting operators.

[NikiUh]

Making gunplay worse by adding lower ADS speed is not going to make this game like it used to be. We had way faster movement, ADS speed and less recoil back then and no one was saying anything about a TDM meta. Its just that most old and strategic players left and the most part of the current community doesnt care about tactical play at all.

[Copy & Cat]

I do think a lot of changes coming and that happened in this last year were actually quite good to slowing game down and forcing people to think before acting, the changes to reload system so only a bullet stays on the weapon instead of being able to cancel the reload that just created weird gunfights that people were constantly cancelling reload every second. slowing down people when they ADS, making shotguns more consistent, improving attachments and making their uses better such as supressors and heavy barrel.

I mean still is a mixed bag with odd decisions because game was 100% focused on only appeasing pro players and i dont think this is the case anymore despite the damage being done for big changes that are not coming back. But hell even the designs are better now being a truly mix of looking cool and tactical when you have the dark age of characters like Flores that are just out of place hero shooters rejects, compared to Ram military approach.

You cant wipe tha damage and updates that already happened but you can sure steer the game back into a good direction like it has been doing this last year

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by CS ENJOYER:

Making gunplay worse by adding lower ADS speed is not going to make this game like it used to be. We had way faster movement, ADS speed and less recoil back then and no one was saying anything about a TDM meta. Its just that most old and strategic players left and the most part of the current community doesnt care about tactical play at all.

Pretty good point

[Corvo.03]

Originally posted by Copy & Cat:

I do think a lot of changes coming and that happened in this last year were actually quite good to slowing game down and forcing people to think before acting, the changes to reload system so only a bullet stays on the weapon instead of being able to cancel the reload that just created weird gunfights that people were constantly cancelling reload every second. slowing down people when they ADS, making shotguns more consistent, improving attachments and making their uses better such as supressors and heavy barrel.

I mean still is a mixed bag with odd decisions because game was 100% focused on only appeasing pro players and i dont think this is the case anymore despite the damage being done for big changes that are not coming back. But hell even the designs are better now being a truly mix of looking cool and tactical when you have the dark age of characters like Flores that are just out of place hero shooters rejects, compared to Ram military approach.

You cant wipe tha damage and updates that already happened but you can sure steer the game back into a good direction like it has been doing this last year

Thank you for saying that, because with every new operator that's what I thought. What happened to those special people in the military or police forces? Like why are they just random people now? If you read the backstory of Thatcher or Tachanka for example, they've been in so many wars and operations that it makes sense that they're a part of Rainbow now.
Or Rook isn't in Rainbow because of his experience, it's just that he's so brave and protective of his teammates that you'd want him around.
But why would I want Ace, a self centered "celebrity" or Iana, who is an astronaut as a partner in a highly dangerous operation? Well kinda makes sense when all they do is fight in a stadium I guess.
But fortunately, Brava and Ram were good options. Not too sure about Scarecrow and Mr. Freeze for season 2 and season 4 tho.