Poll; who is the most useless operator in your opinion on attack?

[The.InXe]

Who is the most useless operator in your opinion as an attacker?

[Amogus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ADS:

gridlock

I would have to disagree.

Her gadget is exceptionally good at anti-flanking. I have been watching some people play R6 on Twitch lately (Champion rank), and they use Gridlock as a means of making an enemy flanking them much harder. The enemy is forced to blow their cover to get past the Gridlock device (whether it be running over the spikes or shooting them), so it is a pretty good gadget to have in that regard.

I see it being more reliable than a claymore personally in terms of anti-flank, since even though it doesn't instantly kill defenders, it is a mass of mini-gadgets that have to be dealt with instead of a single device.

[V-Fib]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ADS:

gridlock

Gridlock has amazing guns, and an amazing gadget.

Początkowo opublikowane przez England Is My City:

Hibana

Hibana is actually amazing though.

[TwisterCat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez  Sir_Mossy :

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

I'm gonna post a bit of a hot-take here, but in 2020 Siege, Thermite is absolutely pointless with a mediocre gun, Ace, Hibana and Maverick. Why anyone would prefer to waste a main ability when you could have Ying with hard breach, or pretty much any other operator with a hard breach side gadget is beyond me

Are you joking?

If you use a hard breach charge, you are literally asking to be watched from a million different angles and get sprayed down as soon as you vault through it. A hard breach charge is just too small to be viable. Being able to Thermite charge entire walls down is far more helpful/useful than a tiny Sledge hole in the wall.

I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to find a single ranked match where Thermite didn't get Bandit baited or Mute jammed

[Amogus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez  Sir_Mossy :

Are you joking?

If you use a hard breach charge, you are literally asking to be watched from a million different angles and get sprayed down as soon as you vault through it. A hard breach charge is just too small to be viable. Being able to Thermite charge entire walls down is far more helpful/useful than a tiny Sledge hole in the wall.

I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to find a single ranked match where Thermite didn't get Bandit baited or Mute jammed

Oh, and I guess that makes the hard breaching charge better even though it suffers from the same weaknesses? It doesn't work when mute jammed (for some reason) and it gets destroyed by Bandit wires, so it is literally a weaker Thermite charge.

On top of that, why on earth are people actually insisting that something is bad because there's a counterplay to it? I guess guns must be bad then because Clash/Montagne exist and they negate bullets? I guess any defender gadget must be bad because Zofia/IQ/Thatcher exist? If there was no counterplay to something, it would be what is called OP. If Thermite charges didn't have a counterplay to them, Thermite would be OP.

[SirPotato]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez  Sir_Mossy :

Are you joking?

If you use a hard breach charge, you are literally asking to be watched from a million different angles and get sprayed down as soon as you vault through it. A hard breach charge is just too small to be viable. Being able to Thermite charge entire walls down is far more helpful/useful than a tiny Sledge hole in the wall.

I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to find a single ranked match where Thermite didn't get Bandit baited or Mute jammed

Wait a sec, Bandit tricking is still a viable tactic? It is the easiest thing to counter, just callout that Bandit is near the wall and wait for Ash, Zofia or anyone with Explosives to kill him / get him away either from below or above.
And by all means, Thermite is the hardest hard breacher to counter (not counting Maverick), Hibana and Ace are way easier to Bandit or Kaid trick.

[Amogus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Younesnake:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to find a single ranked match where Thermite didn't get Bandit baited or Mute jammed

Wait a sec, Bandit tricking is still a viable tactic? It is the easiest thing to counter, just callout that Bandit is near the wall and wait for Ash, Zofia or anyone with Explosives to kill him / get him away either from below or above.
And by all means, Thermite is the hardest hard breacher to counter (not counting Maverick), Hibana and Ace are way easier to Bandit or Kaid trick.

Agreed.

It is way easier to hear an Ace/Hibana charge going off when doing said tactic. The only indication of a Thermite charge is the sound of him placing it, but it can be easily covered up with sounds of any type.

[TwisterCat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Younesnake:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to find a single ranked match where Thermite didn't get Bandit baited or Mute jammed

Wait a sec, Bandit tricking is still a viable tactic? It is the easiest thing to counter, just callout that Bandit is near the wall and wait for Ash, Zofia or anyone with Explosives to kill him / get him away either from below or above.
And by all means, Thermite is the hardest hard breacher to counter (not counting Maverick), Hibana and Ace are way easier to Bandit or Kaid trick.

The most deadly Thermite walls aren't floor 2, and if obj is on floor 1, they usually have a roamer playing vert

[SirPotato]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Younesnake:

Wait a sec, Bandit tricking is still a viable tactic? It is the easiest thing to counter, just callout that Bandit is near the wall and wait for Ash, Zofia or anyone with Explosives to kill him / get him away either from below or above.
And by all means, Thermite is the hardest hard breacher to counter (not counting Maverick), Hibana and Ace are way easier to Bandit or Kaid trick.

The most deadly Thermite walls aren't floor 2, and if obj is on floor 1, they usually have a roamer playing vert

And roam clearing is important in every situation for a reason, you shouldn't start pushing the site before you fully roam clear the most important locations in the map.

[Amogus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Younesnake:

Wait a sec, Bandit tricking is still a viable tactic? It is the easiest thing to counter, just callout that Bandit is near the wall and wait for Ash, Zofia or anyone with Explosives to kill him / get him away either from below or above.
And by all means, Thermite is the hardest hard breacher to counter (not counting Maverick), Hibana and Ace are way easier to Bandit or Kaid trick.

The most deadly Thermite walls aren't floor 2, and if obj is on floor 1, they usually have a roamer playing vert

Welp, I guess this guy has done it. He has successfully proven that Thermite is trash because Bandit tricking + 1 roamer upstairs = unbeatable strategy.

[TwisterCat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Younesnake:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

The most deadly Thermite walls aren't floor 2, and if obj is on floor 1, they usually have a roamer playing vert

And roam clearing is important in every situation for a reason, you shouldn't start pushing the site before you fully roam clear the most important locations in the map.

Good teams usually have the best player on vertical, clearing doesn't mean that you kill the roamer, it's an attempt to, on a map like Border, you're simply not killing a good vertical player with 1 teammate

[♡mika♡]

Why in godsname are u guys argueing LOL

[TwisterCat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ;4149469212609702395:

Why in godsname are u guys argueing LOL

It's a debate about Thermite, and the logic behind certain tactics

[♡mika♡]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez ;4149469212609702395:

Why in godsname are u guys argueing LOL

It's a debate about Thermite, and the logic behind certain tactics

no i meant, why are u argueing about that lol. i know what its about. this is a poll to just get opinions lol.

[TwisterCat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez mwah:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

It's a debate about Thermite, and the logic behind certain tactics

no i meant, why are u argueing about that lol. i know what its about. this is a poll to just get opinions lol.

Yes

[♡mika♡]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TwisterCat:

Now that's a mighty fine question you got there champ, just for this generous offer to resume the original topic, I will now change my mind to Sledge being the worst attacking operator

i dont own sledge