Jager doesn't need a strong gun

[Razin_Shah]

I've said this many times already, he already brings a lot of important utility. He doesn't need a strong gun as well. Either give a substantial nerf to the 416-C, or replace his primary for something weaker.

It's not about the utility. Give any 2-speed or 3-speed op the same gun and you will see his/her pickrate skyrocket just like Jager's.

[lettuce]

no

[Razin_Shah]

Originally posted by Lettuce:

no

Exactly, he doesn't need a strong weapon.

[Ashex]

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

[Razin_Shah]

Originally posted by Ashex:

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

Of course they can, but does it need to be as strong as the 416-C? No

[Ashex]

Originally posted by Razin_Shah:

Originally posted by Ashex:

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

Of course they can, but does it need to be as strong as the 416-C? No

Well, Jager's gun is a beast compared to the usual stats of most defending guns, which are of course significantly weaker than the guns attackers are usually given. I personally don't see it as a terribly overpowered weapon compared to what the attackers have, but just the fact that it's on a defender is what makes the 416-C seem op. But honestly, Jager's like one of the what...two defenders out of fifty with a gun that can equal to an attackers?

[Razin_Shah]

Originally posted by Ashex:

Originally posted by Razin_Shah:

Of course they can, but does it need to be as strong as the 416-C? No

Well, Jager's gun is a beast compared to the usual stats of most defending guns, which are of course significantly weaker than the guns attackers are usually given. I personally don't see it as a terribly overpowered weapon compared to what the attackers have, but just the fact that it's on a defender is what makes the 416-C seem op. But honestly, Jager's like one of the what...two defenders out of fifty with a gun that can equal to an attackers?

Jager is also the only operator that has a pickrate that is off the charts. I haven't played a single Ranked game where Jager is not picked every round.

[SirPotato]

Originally posted by Ashex:

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

Most of the time the answer is no, an OP shouldn't have both best defender weapon and one of the best gadgets in the game, take Valk as an example, she has a great gadget, but she is balanced around her weapon (The MPX is kinda bad compared to other weapons), same goes with Pulse.

[Labumut]

Originally posted by Razin_Shah:

I've said this many times already, he already brings a lot of important utility. He doesn't need a strong gun as well. Either give a substantial nerf to the 416-C, or replace his primary for something weaker.

It's not about the utility. Give any 2-speed or 3-speed op the same gun and you will see his/her pickrate skyrocket just like Jager's.

His 416-C already have been nerfed, from 43 to 38

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Ashex:

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

I mean having an strong gun and gadget can make an OP character, imagine if valk had the MP5K instead, that would just be a direct upgrade, or something with an ACOG that would chaos

[dmcdan]

Originally posted by No running in the quarentine:

Originally posted by Ashex:

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

I mean having an strong gun and gadget can make an OP character, imagine if valk had the MP5K instead, that would just be a direct upgrade, or something with an ACOG that would chaos

Exactly, but jager isn't an intel operator, and he can be actually really easy to counter if you got good gamesense, or IQ/twitch. or if you have anyone with flashes.

[Uncle Sam]

Originally posted by dmcdan:

Originally posted by No running in the quarentine:

I mean having an strong gun and gadget can make an OP character, imagine if valk had the MP5K instead, that would just be a direct upgrade, or something with an ACOG that would chaos

Exactly, but jager isn't an intel operator, and he can be actually really easy to counter if you got good gamesense, or IQ/twitch. or if you have anyone with flashes.

Well, tbh once you add Wamai into the mix Utility starts getting a bit irrelevant for attackers. If the defenders are competent enough, they will also bring enough utility denial (jager & wamai and the odd castle in some OBJ/ maps) alongside utility attackers must destroy to avoid crossfires or flanked due intel (see Melusi, Maestro, Echo, Goyo if the player is competent, etc.)

To @OP, they should just give Jäger an delay per utility on his ADS. Each ADS got 2 projectiles that destroy utility, if they add a 4-6 sec delay per utility destroyed you make Wamai more relevant; in case that isn't enough nerf the recoil or a bit of Jager DPS again.

Otherwise, just a probably stupid idea: Give Nokk the 416-c Carbine & Jäger the FMG-9.

Edit: 416-c got a dps of around 469; the fmg-9 got a dps of around 453.

[Pawnzer Kommandant]

he needs 3-1 back

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by dmcdan:

Originally posted by No running in the quarentine:

I mean having an strong gun and gadget can make an OP character, imagine if valk had the MP5K instead, that would just be a direct upgrade, or something with an ACOG that would chaos

Exactly, but jager isn't an intel operator, and he can be actually really easy to counter if you got good gamesense, or IQ/twitch. or if you have anyone with flashes.

I never claimed he's an intel operator and if you wasted flashbangs on him he did his job of making you waste them. His gadget is definetly weaker than valk cam that are absurdly powerful, but it's set and forget nature of it as well him having a great gun just means that he has the second easiest job after rook

[NeuroticSlav]

Nah his gun aint problem. He just needs to loose 1 ads.

[SkibidiBeamer2019]

Originally posted by Razin_Shah:

Originally posted by Ashex:

soooo...an operator can't have a useful gadget and a good weapon at the same time?

Of course they can, but does it need to be as strong as the 416-C? No

the 416-c isn't strong anymore after they nerfed it to 38 damage its not really as good as it was before 1 ads would be a proper nerf his utility is whats strong not his gun