The new recoil on the 6P41 is a little too strong...

[Astrostars2025]

So I've been playing around with the new weapon recoil nerfs on the shooting range and in training grounds, and I've got to say, I really feel the balance changes are good, so I'm not hating on the game, I'm just... giving constructive feedback.

So first off, I do not use Fuze's 6P41 as often as I used to when I played him. It's been at least a year since I last used it consistently, as I have been playing Hibana instead. When I did play Fuze, I instead used the AK-12 instead because of the faster fire rate.

So the LMG nerfs are pretty good, all except for the 6P41. The 6P41 has received a very heavy recoil nerf, to the point where the average player such as myself will not be able to use it very well do to the heavy recoil.

Yes I know you're thinking "Look at this guy, get good, noob," but hear me out. I've been doing some testing recently between 3 different versions of the game. The original version (release version, thanks to R6 throwback community on Discord), current game version with the LMG meta, and the test server.

I agree that the 6P41 needed a nerf on it's very low recoil. However, with the goal of an LMG to be able to provide suppressing fire, the 6P41 in it's current state on the test server is barely able to do that, and you need to rely on burst fire, which is not how an LMG should work.

The solution I am proposing it to return the 6P41's recoil pattern to what it was at launch, so it is a bit heavier than on the live server, but so it's slightly not as bad as it is now.

More info can be found here: https://discussions.ubisoft.com/topic/168200/6p41-recoil-is-a-little-too-strong?lang=en-US

[Copy & Cat]

Originalmente postado por NikitostheFirst:

Its only Finkas lmg thats unplayable. Zofias lmg is still very strong which doesnt make any sense to me. They need to buff the recoil a bit, you are not able to kill people that hold tight angles with that lmg anymore.

Is that even with the new multi step recoil? That appears to shift from the LMGs being free giant magdumps to keep everyone completely still behind cover keeping pressure while you move towards them to just large magazine weapons that you dont reload often so you can keep firing in bursts for a long time over an AR or SMG.

Seeing how this is a CQC game it's an very odd spot for LMGs

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originalmente postado por NikitostheFirst:

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

Good, that shouldnt be the point of lmgs

You should be able to prefire tight angles with every gun in the game, otherwise it would be unfair.

You're right. Lets just make the LMGS indistinguishable from rifles in spray pattern... oh wait, thats a terrible idea and its exactly why they're changing it! Lmgs are meant for suppression, whereas ARs are better for holding tight angles or spraying accurately. Thats how it should be. LMGs are useful for opening up holes, for prefiring against swings, or for scoring wallbangs. They should not also be good for quick room clearing or accurate long range. That is why Finka was such a powerhouse

[NikiUh]

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

Originalmente postado por NikitostheFirst:

You should be able to prefire tight angles with every gun in the game, otherwise it would be unfair.

You're right. Lets just make the LMGS indistinguishable from rifles in spray pattern... oh wait, thats a terrible idea and its exactly why they're changing it! Lmgs are meant for suppression, whereas ARs are better for holding tight angles or spraying accurately. Thats how it should be. LMGs are useful for opening up holes, for prefiring against swings, or for scoring wallbangs. They should not also be good for quick room clearing or accurate long range. That is why Finka was such a powerhouse

But why was Zofias lmg barely changed then? Her lmg can still hold tight angles

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originalmente postado por NikitostheFirst:

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

You're right. Lets just make the LMGS indistinguishable from rifles in spray pattern... oh wait, thats a terrible idea and its exactly why they're changing it! Lmgs are meant for suppression, whereas ARs are better for holding tight angles or spraying accurately. Thats how it should be. LMGs are useful for opening up holes, for prefiring against swings, or for scoring wallbangs. They should not also be good for quick room clearing or accurate long range. That is why Finka was such a powerhouse

But why was Zofias lmg barely changed then? Her lmg can still hold tight angles

because it has a scope. It can no longer be used as aggressively as before, as the recoil is very sharp after the first 15 rounds

[Copy & Cat]

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

Originalmente postado por NikitostheFirst:

You should be able to prefire tight angles with every gun in the game, otherwise it would be unfair.

You're right. Lets just make the LMGS indistinguishable from rifles in spray pattern... oh wait, thats a terrible idea and its exactly why they're changing it! Lmgs are meant for suppression, whereas ARs are better for holding tight angles or spraying accurately. Thats how it should be. LMGs are useful for opening up holes, for prefiring against swings, or for scoring wallbangs. They should not also be good for quick room clearing or accurate long range. That is why Finka was such a powerhouse

Staged recoil goes against the very idea of supression, it punishes firing over long time that are supposed to be the lmgs advantage, they are back to being worse rifles

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originalmente postado por God Guns Glintstones:

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

You're right. Lets just make the LMGS indistinguishable from rifles in spray pattern... oh wait, thats a terrible idea and its exactly why they're changing it! Lmgs are meant for suppression, whereas ARs are better for holding tight angles or spraying accurately. Thats how it should be. LMGs are useful for opening up holes, for prefiring against swings, or for scoring wallbangs. They should not also be good for quick room clearing or accurate long range. That is why Finka was such a powerhouse

Staged recoil goes against the very idea of supression, it punishes firing over long time that are supposed to be the lmgs advantage, they are back to being worse rifles

If you mean worse rifles that have 6 times the amount of rounds chambered, comparable fire rate and damage, and fit into the meta differently than rifles, then you're absolutely correct.

[NuqquE]

How about they add bipods

[Copy & Cat]

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

Originalmente postado por God Guns Glintstones:

Staged recoil goes against the very idea of supression, it punishes firing over long time that are supposed to be the lmgs advantage, they are back to being worse rifles

If you mean worse rifles that have 6 times the amount of rounds chambered, comparable fire rate and damage, and fit into the meta differently than rifles, then you're absolutely correct.

Correct me if i am wrong, LMGs only became of interested because most popular rifles were getting nerfed and some LMGs were getting buffed, such as G8 with the angled grip couple of seasons back, before that nobody cared about that weapon, before these two last seasons nobody cared about 6P41 and lastly the zofia LMG-E only became popular because her main rifle got nerfed.

Most of the time in the scenario where faster ADS and rof were more important for the meta, LMGs lose out in both. a good example is how people preffered the RONI with the nerfs over the Commando still.

outside of the G8 that got a head start LMGs only became popular right now and just got nerfed, some harder than others of course but for a long time they were considered worse rifle because the larga magazine that was their main advantage was not relevant and the worse ADS time a huge penalty.

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originalmente postado por God Guns Glintstones:

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

If you mean worse rifles that have 6 times the amount of rounds chambered, comparable fire rate and damage, and fit into the meta differently than rifles, then you're absolutely correct.

Correct me if i am wrong, LMGs only became of interested because most popular rifles were getting nerfed and some LMGs were getting buffed, such as G8 with the angled grip couple of seasons back, before that nobody cared about that weapon, before these two last seasons nobody cared about 6P41 and lastly the zofia LMG-E only became popular because her main rifle got nerfed.

Most of the time in the scenario where faster ADS and rof were more important for the meta, LMGs lose out in both. a good example is how people preffered the RONI with the nerfs over the Commando still.

outside of the G8 that got a head start LMGs only became popular right now and just got nerfed, some harder than others of course but for a long time they were considered worse rifle because the larga magazine that was their main advantage was not relevant and the worse ADS time a huge penalty.

Yeah you're kinda wrong. IQs machine gun was an option because it offered high speed low damage alternatives to her other guns, but it didn't have OP recoil at any stage. Zofia's LMGE was sort of the same, it has a similar fire rate but literally has 150 bullets and comparable recoil so it was always an option people used. Same for Capitao. The only machine gun that wasn't in the meta was the 6p, and I say this having played all the way back in blood orchid

[Copy & Cat]

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

Originalmente postado por God Guns Glintstones:

Correct me if i am wrong, LMGs only became of interested because most popular rifles were getting nerfed and some LMGs were getting buffed, such as G8 with the angled grip couple of seasons back, before that nobody cared about that weapon, before these two last seasons nobody cared about 6P41 and lastly the zofia LMG-E only became popular because her main rifle got nerfed.

Most of the time in the scenario where faster ADS and rof were more important for the meta, LMGs lose out in both. a good example is how people preffered the RONI with the nerfs over the Commando still.

outside of the G8 that got a head start LMGs only became popular right now and just got nerfed, some harder than others of course but for a long time they were considered worse rifle because the larga magazine that was their main advantage was not relevant and the worse ADS time a huge penalty.

Yeah you're kinda wrong. IQs machine gun was an option because it offered high speed low damage alternatives to her other guns, but it didn't have OP recoil at any stage. Zofia's LMGE was sort of the same, it has a similar fire rate but literally has 150 bullets and comparable recoil so it was always an option people used. Same for Capitao. The only machine gun that wasn't in the meta was the 6p, and I say this having played all the way back in blood orchid

What i am saying is that the addition of LMGs to the meta is honestly just from the last year mostly, they had decent stats, but the focus on speed and rof over everything always made them come second, now that the devs are trying to slow down the game and make precision over speed matter even more they are going to fall out of flavor pretty fast since their magazine advantage is not going to be relevant.

Of course i'm not talking about ops who only have LMGs as good options such as Ying and Maestro, but operators who have access to multiple automatic weapons as options

[The Chocobo Racer]

Originalmente postado por God Guns Glintstones:

Originalmente postado por Wage Slave:

Yeah you're kinda wrong. IQs machine gun was an option because it offered high speed low damage alternatives to her other guns, but it didn't have OP recoil at any stage. Zofia's LMGE was sort of the same, it has a similar fire rate but literally has 150 bullets and comparable recoil so it was always an option people used. Same for Capitao. The only machine gun that wasn't in the meta was the 6p, and I say this having played all the way back in blood orchid

What i am saying is that the addition of LMGs to the meta is honestly just from the last year mostly, they had decent stats, but the focus on speed and rof over everything always made them come second, now that the devs are trying to slow down the game and make precision over speed matter even more they are going to fall out of flavor pretty fast since their magazine advantage is not going to be relevant.

Of course i'm not talking about ops who only have LMGs as good options such as Ying and Maestro, but operators who have access to multiple automatic weapons as options

And I'm telling you thats not true, they've just never come to a consensus on which guns were objectively better until Ubisoft stepped in and gave their head moron an opportunity to ♥♥♥♥ up the balance