The gender-question! Too many females!!!

[Zeno]

I think we all know that this is just a game, not a simulator and as far from reality as it can be.


BUT

If this game is using real life organisations as an example, their uniforms, their badges etc ( just to name a few: Navy Seals, GSG, FSB ) shouldn't this game also provide a minimal amount of realism? Never ever has a woman passed the selection process of the Navy Seals or the Anti-Terror section of the FSB. i.e the GSG allows women in their lines but non has ever passed the selection.

My point is, is it possible that a woman could enter such a unit? Yeah, possibly. But this would be such a rare incident that it should also be portrayed as such in this game, but the amount of female operators added to this game by now and also in mostly such a girly manner, is just absolutely ridiculous and surprising me even more for the fact that I have played all previous R6 games and this has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the title I have known from previous R6 games!!!

Don't get me wrong, I am not against females nor against them working in such units, I just want a minimal amount of realism and some girl with coloured hairs or some skinny girl being a GSG operator is just a pile of bullocks and kind of ruins it for me.

If developers should read this post, please re-structure your team of developers, it's possible you have a feminist in your lines who forcefully wants to inject the female gender in to places where no place is.

I also find it disrespectful towards all operators of such units! Simply because it is like claiming what they do could easily be done by a woman, while most of these guys prepared for years and years and gathered pre-experience on such hard way, to even be accepted in to the selection of such units and now you add some girls that look like 16 in to this game de-validating the minimal realism by manipulating the history of such units?

Again, I get it's just a game, but if you add women to navy seals and GSG, why not also adding smurfs and dragons with purple wings to the game? As we don't seem to give a damn about a minimal amount of realism anyway.


What annoys me the most is that Ubisoft doesn't seem to take any stance nor gives an interview about their gender campaign they militarily-aggressively and forcefully try to implement in to a video game which runs on the title of a world know and world respected counter-terrorist shooter that has also valued realism ( long ago ) a lot.

What is next? A transgender, chinese, lesbian james bond? Or a blonde female mike tyson?

Come on.....


Females have always been part of R6, but not in such an amount, it was more a 20-80 now its a 80-20 females .... and also in such a silly manner, back then they at least had nice backstories in their biography and it made sense as well.


Please dear developers, put at least some effort and brain in to the development of this game, it's already an annoyance that this game has been scripted down to a siilly casual shooter where it takes an entire mag to get your enemy down, but this whole girly stuff is just a little bit too much and I strongly doubt the majority of the community even likes this pile of rubbish.


Is rainbow six lost? Should I go back to old R6 games and forget about everything new they are going to release? leave your feminism out of this game!

[JudasPhysicist]

Older Rainbow Six titles also had an unusually high female solider roster compared to real life.

I never read the novels so I can't comment on the source material however at it's current state Rainbow Six Siege and to an extent even the first games were never really all that interested with the source material anyway. Sure you had John Clarke, Chavez Ding etc. in the older titles who are absent in Siege but that's not necesserily a bad thing as Siege really has no story to work with, so using Clarke would be a waste.

Anyway back to topic, having an unrealistic female to male ratio in a fictional video game's roster when the said video game is based on a fictional novel written in the 90's is not really a deal breaker.

Afterall you also need to think about representing the female playerbase and after getting that horrible backlash with Assasin's Creed, being the homogenous corporate entity it is Ubisoft, quite cleverly, started adding playable female characters to their games.

And that's really all this is about, they sell you products, they need to sell the product to the widest available market to get the biggest amount of profit.

[Zeno]

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Older Rainbow Six titles also had an unusually high female solider roster compared to real life.

I never read the novels so I can't comment on the source material however at it's current state Rainbow Six Siege and to an extent even the first games were never really all that interested with the source material anyway. Sure you had John Clarke, Chavez Ding etc. in the older titles who are absent in Siege but that's not necesserily a bad thing as Siege really has no story to work with, so using Clarke would be a waste.

Anyway back to topic, having an unrealistic female to male ratio in a fictional video game's roster when the said video game is based on a fictional novel written in the 90's is not really a deal breaker.

Afterall you also need to think about representing the female playerbase and after getting that horrible backlash with Assasin's Creed, being the homogenous corporate entity it is Ubisoft, quite cleverly, started adding playable female characters to their games.

And that's really all this is about, they sell you products, they need to sell the product to the widest available market to get the biggest amount of profit.

I won't agree nor disagree with your statements, although I have to say that the storyline or novels weren't fictional! They are something called " realistic fiction " means it's made up stuff but using a realistic base from real life such as real life equipment ( mostly ), organisations and a not too fantasy base. Hence too many women in such units is OFF.
Not sure what previous titles you've played, but the ones I have played did not have that many women in their lines at all and the few that were, were indeed in a fictional unit called RAINBOW SIX. But this game clearly allows you to play in existing real units not the actual fantasy RAINBOW SIX. So it does make a huge difference.


However, you want a solution ? Simple, allow the player to choose for every single operator to either be female or male by simply clicking a button. If gender is so importantly, give the player a choice! If it's a she, then she can choose a female, if it's a him, he can choose a guy, or whatever he/she wants to.

It's so simple, unbelievable developers can't do this in a world of programming, in fact, I think that people should be able to create their own operators anyway, at least cosmetically. This could be so easy and fun...but instead we get forced to play genders and ugly looking characters. Good job ubisoft. good job.

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

People just dont care cuz they all think these womans are fictional etc etc
where they are actually dont understand there is no pink haired woman fighting amongst CTU
and they actually stand for an institution
they think its ok cuz its a game where it can actually be a propaganda
at leats thats my thought

people should understand womans are not fit into fight but mens do
this doesnt mean there are no woman can fight it means this is the fact mens more into fight

[Zeno]

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People just dont care cuz they all think these womans are fictional etc etc
where they are actually dont understand there is no pink haired woman fighting amongst CTU
and they actually stand for an institution
they think its ok cuz its a game where it can actually be a propaganda
at leats thats my thought

And your thought is very justified and realistic,... You have pretty much put everything I said in to a shorter text. Thanks for that.

But as we've said...the excuse of it being " fictional " which is even wrong as Tom Clancy's products are always " fictional realism " seem to be used all the time.

FACT, I don't want to play a female Navy Seals. It's ridiculous.... but I want the abilities, so I am forced to play it.

Ubi Soft is a feminist extremist company.

[Dirk]

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People just dont care cuz they all think these womans are fictional etc etc
where they are actually dont understand there is no pink haired woman fighting amongst CTU
and they actually stand for an institution
they think its ok cuz its a game where it can actually be a propaganda
at leats thats my thought

And your thought is very justified and realistic,... You have pretty much put everything I said in to a shorter text. Thanks for that.

But as we've said...the excuse of it being " fictional " which is even wrong as Tom Clancy's products are always " fictional realism " seem to be used all the time.

FACT, I don't want to play a female Navy Seals. It's ridiculous.... but I want the abilities, so I am forced to play it.

Ubi Soft is a feminist extremist company.

As much as i dislike how far rainbow six has come from what it originally was, which was set in stone thanks to Vegas. There;s nothing to stipulate what gender can and cannot be implemented into the games. The fact you think this needs to be grounded in reality is stupid, considering they introduce the chimera virus as well as some of the goofy crap they have for gadgets. So if a Polish girl with coloured hair triggers you then you really need to have a word with yourself.


The only thing that bothers me about female operators is how they all have painted nails. Which seems like a bizarre choice. But having female operators? I have no issues with that and it's certainly not some sort of 'extremist' action.

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

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Origineel geplaatst door Volker Kuhn:

And your thought is very justified and realistic,... You have pretty much put everything I said in to a shorter text. Thanks for that.

But as we've said...the excuse of it being " fictional " which is even wrong as Tom Clancy's products are always " fictional realism " seem to be used all the time.

FACT, I don't want to play a female Navy Seals. It's ridiculous.... but I want the abilities, so I am forced to play it.

Ubi Soft is a feminist extremist company.

As much as i dislike how far rainbow six has come from what it originally was, which was set in stone thanks to Vegas. There;s nothing to stipulate what gender can and cannot be implemented into the games. The fact you think this needs to be grounded in reality is stupid, considering they introduce the chimera virus as well as some of the goofy crap they have for gadgets. So if a Polish girl with coloured hair triggers you then you really need to have a word with yourself.


The only thing that bothers me about female operators is how they all have painted nails. Which seems like a bizarre choice. But having female operators? I have no issues with that and it's certainly not some sort of 'extremist' action.

alright then ubisoft can stop using their NAMES if they are not being real
and this is actually fictional i dont want to see special forces name in this game if they dont represented well in a stupid unrealistic video game

[Dirk]

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Origineel geplaatst door Dirk:

As much as i dislike how far rainbow six has come from what it originally was, which was set in stone thanks to Vegas. There;s nothing to stipulate what gender can and cannot be implemented into the games. The fact you think this needs to be grounded in reality is stupid, considering they introduce the chimera virus as well as some of the goofy crap they have for gadgets. So if a Polish girl with coloured hair triggers you then you really need to have a word with yourself.


The only thing that bothers me about female operators is how they all have painted nails. Which seems like a bizarre choice. But having female operators? I have no issues with that and it's certainly not some sort of 'extremist' action.

alright then ubisoft can stop using their NAMES if they are not being real
and this is actually fictional i dont want to see special forces name in this game if they dont represented well in a stupid unrealistic video game

And why should they represent the organisations properly? for what purpose? If so, say goodbye to half the gadgets they have in the game, say goodbye to the unrealistic skins they have for characters and guns, say goodbye to the entirety to the chimera storyline, say goodbye to Rainbow and the terrorist group. Lets just get rid of Rainbow six as a whole because you're being triggered by how the organisations are being represented.

[Jade Merrydown]

But Muh Realisum!

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

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alright then ubisoft can stop using their NAMES if they are not being real
and this is actually fictional i dont want to see special forces name in this game if they dont represented well in a stupid unrealistic video game

And why should they represent the organisations properly? for what purpose? If so, say goodbye to half the gadgets they have in the game, say goodbye to the unrealistic skins they have for characters and guns, say goodbye to the entirety to the chimera storyline, say goodbye to Rainbow and the terrorist group. Lets just get rid of Rainbow six as a whole because you're being triggered by how the organisations are being represented.

Because its their BRAND their MARK and their job is not something like collecting garbage or siting on a chair whole day looking at computer
people in military must see respect they are the ones protecting their country and im not talking about any country im talking about every millitary people fighting for his/her country its something need to get respect someone actually trying to cover your butt while you looking at that computer and you cant even respect them? represent them? good job
try to empathize and ask yourself if i were in a game would i enjoy represent by a pink haired woman that not even exist in my millitary

also im done explaining if you still didnt understand the point keep going

[Muldoon's Legs]

Video Games aren't real life mate. Ubisoft has to do whatever the execs/shareholders want of them and if the execs/shareholders say "we want more diversity", Ubisoft adds more diversity. This sort of stuff had always happened we're just now kicking up a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it cuz muh feminisim

[Dirk]

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And why should they represent the organisations properly? for what purpose? If so, say goodbye to half the gadgets they have in the game, say goodbye to the unrealistic skins they have for characters and guns, say goodbye to the entirety to the chimera storyline, say goodbye to Rainbow and the terrorist group. Lets just get rid of Rainbow six as a whole because you're being triggered by how the organisations are being represented.

Because its their BRAND their MARK and their job is not something like collecting garbage or siting on a chair whole day looking at computer
people in military must see respect they are the ones protecting their country and im not talking about any country im talking about every millitary people fighting for his/her country its something need to get respect someone actually trying to cover your butt while you looking at that computer and you cant even respect them? represent them? good job
try to empathize and ask yourself if i were in a game would i enjoy represent by a pink haired woman that not even exist in my millitary

So tell me exactly why this game is disrespectful to the military groups? Why this is disrespectful to anyone who's been in the military? Oh yes, Vietnam vets are gonna be well offended by someone with pink hair. Despite there being no characters with pink hair btw (Ela is the only character with coloured hair)

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

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Because its their BRAND their MARK and their job is not something like collecting garbage or siting on a chair whole day looking at computer
people in military must see respect they are the ones protecting their country and im not talking about any country im talking about every millitary people fighting for his/her country its something need to get respect someone actually trying to cover your butt while you looking at that computer and you cant even respect them? represent them? good job
try to empathize and ask yourself if i were in a game would i enjoy represent by a pink haired woman that not even exist in my millitary

So tell me exactly why this game is disrespectful to the military groups? Why this is disrespectful to anyone who's been in the military? Oh yes, Vietnam vets are gonna be well offended by someone with pink hair. Despite there being no characters with pink hair btw (Ela is the only character with coloured hair)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWV-EYnH80c
Im sure these dudes wants to be remembered with a pink haired girl in their millitary
you are RIGHT how can i not think of that.
also navy seal doesnt accept woman so im pretty sure thats also something

[Dirk]

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Origineel geplaatst door Dirk:

So tell me exactly why this game is disrespectful to the military groups? Why this is disrespectful to anyone who's been in the military? Oh yes, Vietnam vets are gonna be well offended by someone with pink hair. Despite there being no characters with pink hair btw (Ela is the only character with coloured hair)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWV-EYnH80c
Im sure these dudes wants to be remembered with a pink haired girl in their millitary
you are RIGHT how can i not think of that.

So where's the citation showing where people are offended by a female Polish operator with green hair?

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWV-EYnH80c
Im sure these dudes wants to be remembered with a pink haired girl in their millitary
you are RIGHT how can i not think of that.

So where's the citation showing where people are offended by a female Polish operator with green hair?

im so mad that you're so shallow-minded im not going to even try anymore you are a bigot

have a nice one im unsubing this thread

[Dirk]

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Origineel geplaatst door Dirk:

So where's the citation showing where people are offended by a female Polish operator with green hair?

im so mad that you're so shallow-minded im not going to even try anymore you are a bigot

have a nice one im unsubing this thread

Hey it aint my fault you have no evidence to backup what you're stating.