Caveira has too many skills

[NavyKnight]

Most operators only have 1 skill, their middle mouse button, that is it. Caveira can walk silently, one shot down a person with her pistol at close range, and gets to interrogate people she downs. She moves fast enough that she can flank from the outside before a warning goes off, which I know is true for all the 3 speeds, but she runs quietly while doing it. She is a broken character any way you look at it.

[Copy & Cat]

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di VG.TDMimer:

Her interrogation isn't a skill it's a lore ability plenty of operators have them. Also there isn't any point complaining about ♥♥♥♥ that's never gonna change. It's a ubisoft game, and I think we can all agree they dont really care

Last I checked this was a discussion forum, meaning anything that isn't against the rules of the forum is up for discussion. What is another lore ability connected to a character that works as a skill separate entirely from their special ability?

Entire caveira kit is related to getting interrogation, her gun is unique just like ops used to have unique guns, you say it's OP that can down people faster than others can kill but others gun can get headshot kills this gun can't. You are bad at throwing tantrums like the rest of people

[NavyKnight]

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

You know nothing of me or my play style and are clearly attacking me for only sharing my opinion.

if thats your opinion on caveira then I have to say its pure garbage

Disagreeing with my argument for the merits of it are fine, heck that is what this discussion is for. Personal attacks on play style have no place in an honest discussion.

[NavyKnight]

Messaggio originale di Too many masks:

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Last I checked this was a discussion forum, meaning anything that isn't against the rules of the forum is up for discussion. What is another lore ability connected to a character that works as a skill separate entirely from their special ability?

Entire caveira kit is related to getting interrogation, her gun is unique just like ops used to have unique guns, you say it's OP that can down people faster than others can kill but others gun can get headshot kills this gun can't. You are bad at throwing tantrums like the rest of people

Again with the personal attacks, I listed the reasons I felt she had more skills than other operators. That is not a tantrum, that is just the point of this discussion which is to say she has an unbalanced amount of skills compared to the majority of other operators.

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Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

if thats your opinion on caveira then I have to say its pure garbage

Disagreeing with my argument for the merits of it are fine, heck that is what this discussion is for. Personal attacks on play style have no place in an honest discussion.

yes, because only people who complain about caveira are the ones who die to her because of their mistakes.

have you ever heard of Dokkaebi, Gridlock, Nomad and maybe Zero? or even drones? those 4 ops have great anti roamer gadgets, if you dont pay attention and die to her because of your mistakes, thats your fault, so overall your whole discussion is not valid.

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also can you please explain to me how is your statement about her being "broken" a valid argument, even though shes not played in higher ranks or PL?

[JVJ]

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di Too many masks:

Entire caveira kit is related to getting interrogation, her gun is unique just like ops used to have unique guns, you say it's OP that can down people faster than others can kill but others gun can get headshot kills this gun can't. You are bad at throwing tantrums like the rest of people

Again with the personal attacks, I listed the reasons I felt she had more skills than other operators. That is not a tantrum, that is just the point of this discussion which is to say she has an unbalanced amount of skills compared to the majority of other operators.

Every post somebody turns the OP into an "excuse." Even if it's a valid point people will says it's because you can't play. Which is a weak argument

[NavyKnight]

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

also can you please explain to me how is your statement about her being "broken" a valid argument, even though shes not played in higher ranks or PL?

Who does or doesn't play her in ranked isn't the basis or even in the scope of this discussion, your are trying to change it away from the number of skills she has compared to other operators. That there are ways around it as you say isn't an issue either, you can't fire a gun while on a drone. That there are situations where if certain people counter pick and use their gadgets away from the objective to specifically attempt to negate her abilities doesn't take away from her having more abilities than other operators.

[Jex]

... welp i heard zofia and ella lost their "lore" abilities. if they get rid of interrogation then cav would be dead. Dokebi without hacking would just be phone calls. i say screw lore and just have that be part of the kit cause it makes sense.

[Copy & Cat]

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di Too many masks:

Entire caveira kit is related to getting interrogation, her gun is unique just like ops used to have unique guns, you say it's OP that can down people faster than others can kill but others gun can get headshot kills this gun can't. You are bad at throwing tantrums like the rest of people

Again with the personal attacks, I listed the reasons I felt she had more skills than other operators. That is not a tantrum, that is just the point of this discussion which is to say she has an unbalanced amount of skills compared to the majority of other operators.

Well 90% of her skills are bad and very circunstancials made exclusively to get interrogation, remove anything and everything falls apart, remove interrogation, then no reason for the luison and the silent step to exist, remove silent step and then there's no reason to not just play her as 3 speed loud fragger, remove luison then you force people into only using melee only during silent step (because melee during silent step doesn't kill)

She is a a very good example of high-risk high-reward character, compare to others gadgets that are very strong and direct, her's require an very bigger amount of effort for a very larger reward. Removing anything would just be moronic for no reason, what advantage would she give the team, ONLY counter jackal?

[NavyKnight]

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Disagreeing with my argument for the merits of it are fine, heck that is what this discussion is for. Personal attacks on play style have no place in an honest discussion.

yes, because only people who complain about caveira are the ones who die to her because of their mistakes.

have you ever heard of Dokkaebi, Gridlock, Nomad and maybe Zero? or even drones? those 4 ops have great anti roamer gadgets, if you dont pay attention and die to her because of your mistakes, thats your fault, so overall your whole discussion is not valid.

Nothing you have said takes away from my point that she has more skills than the majority of operators. You can keep libeling me making disparaging remarks on my play style knowing nothing of me nor having seen any of my game play. It only speaks to your lack of ability to make a valid argument in counter of my point. That point being she has more skills than the majority of operators in the game currently.

[Jex]

troll

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Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

also can you please explain to me how is your statement about her being "broken" a valid argument, even though shes not played in higher ranks or PL?

Who does or doesn't play her in ranked isn't the basis or even in the scope of this discussion, your are trying to change it away from the number of skills she has compared to other operators. That there are ways around it as you say isn't an issue either, you can't fire a gun while on a drone. That there are situations where if certain people counter pick and use their gadgets away from the objective to specifically attempt to negate her abilities doesn't take away from her having more abilities than other operators.

you are describing her as "broken" and that she has like 20 skills or something.

her only skill is Silent step, and she has interrogation "skill" because shes an actual interrogator, read her bio.

her Luison recoil is a pure mess, her pistol is not a one shot at close range like you're describing.

the only thing thats "broken" about caveira is her shotgun, nothing else.

I suggest you read your own post because what you're talking about are her Silent step, her about being a 3 speed, interrogation and her pistol.

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Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

yes, because only people who complain about caveira are the ones who die to her because of their mistakes.

have you ever heard of Dokkaebi, Gridlock, Nomad and maybe Zero? or even drones? those 4 ops have great anti roamer gadgets, if you dont pay attention and die to her because of your mistakes, thats your fault, so overall your whole discussion is not valid.

Nothing you have said takes away from my point that she has more skills than the majority of operators. You can keep libeling me making disparaging remarks on my play style knowing nothing of me nor having seen any of my game play. It only speaks to your lack of ability to make a valid argument in counter of my point. That point being she has more skills than the majority of operators in the game currently.

and again can you please explain how many "skills" does she actually have, because theres only 2 of them

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Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

yes, because only people who complain about caveira are the ones who die to her because of their mistakes.

have you ever heard of Dokkaebi, Gridlock, Nomad and maybe Zero? or even drones? those 4 ops have great anti roamer gadgets, if you dont pay attention and die to her because of your mistakes, thats your fault, so overall your whole discussion is not valid.

Nothing you have said takes away from my point that she has more skills than the majority of operators. You can keep libeling me making disparaging remarks on my play style knowing nothing of me nor having seen any of my game play. It only speaks to your lack of ability to make a valid argument in counter of my point. That point being she has more skills than the majority of operators in the game currently.

I dont need to know your playstyle or see it, because I can actually imagine it just by reading your post

[NavyKnight]

Messaggio originale di ᠌᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌ ᠌:

Messaggio originale di NavyKnight:

Who does or doesn't play her in ranked isn't the basis or even in the scope of this discussion, your are trying to change it away from the number of skills she has compared to other operators. That there are ways around it as you say isn't an issue either, you can't fire a gun while on a drone. That there are situations where if certain people counter pick and use their gadgets away from the objective to specifically attempt to negate her abilities doesn't take away from her having more abilities than other operators.

you are describing her as "broken" and that she has like 20 skills or something.

her only skill is Silent step, and she has interrogation "skill" because shes an actual interrogator, read her bio.

her Luison recoil is a pure mess, her pistol is not a one shot at close range like you're describing.

the only thing thats "broken" about caveira is her shotgun, nothing else.

I suggest you read your own post because what you're talking about are her Silent step, her about being a 3 speed, interrogation and her pistol.

I am discussion skills/abilities/weapons unique only to her. Give Frost the ability to interrogate, give a couple other operators the ability to pick her pistol, then she won't have more in her toolbox than other operators. Is a suggestion, I'm not here to try and tell anyone how to fix the issue, only pointing out issues as I see them.