Aruni Needs A Buff

[ShadowMoon]

Her P10 Roni is incredibly weak ( her pistol deals more damage) and a Marksman Rifle has no place being in CQB situations. The Royal Thai Police don't use any of those weapons anyway. Give her a shotgun like the Mossberg 500 or the Spas-12. If you want her to be equipped with a semi-autorifle, give her a FN FAL which is used by the Royal Thai Police.

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

The amount assumptions you people make is baffling.

Nowhere did I say it was impossible or difficult to get multiple kills with 1 magazine in the Roni. All I said was that this weapon is OBJECTIVELY weaker than some other weapons at dealing with multiple people

Dealing with multiple enemies shouldn't be a factor to compare with, at all. You shouldn't -as defender- face multiple enemies at the same time in this game, it is up to you to make the enemies attack you one by one.
The SMG-11 is also not that good at fighting multiple enemies (actually, it's one of the worst weapons fighting in that situation). Does it need to be buffed? Surely not.

Comparing a weapons ability to fight multiple people is absolutely a fair assessment. You dont get to decide who attacks you and when to just say "its your job to attack people one by one"

Also never said it should be buffed

[SirPotato]

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

Dealing with multiple enemies shouldn't be a factor to compare with, at all. You shouldn't -as defender- face multiple enemies at the same time in this game, it is up to you to make the enemies attack you one by one.
The SMG-11 is also not that good at fighting multiple enemies (actually, it's one of the worst weapons fighting in that situation). Does it need to be buffed? Surely not.

Comparing a weapons ability to fight multiple people is absolutely a fair assessment. You dont get to decide who attacks you and when to just say "its your job to attack people one by one"

Also never said it should be buffed

No it's not actually fair, comparing weapons in worst case scenarios / when you do bad decisions isn't how you compare a weapon, playing a defender means that you -for most of the time- want to waste time of the attackers or trade with an attacker, not to fight every single enemy with no issues. Sure, if you got enough skill you can fight all enemies at once even with the SMG-11, but the game isn't designed to be played like that.

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Comparing a weapons ability to fight multiple people is absolutely a fair assessment. You dont get to decide who attacks you and when to just say "its your job to attack people one by one"

Also never said it should be buffed

No it's not actually fair, comparing weapons in worst case scenarios / when you do bad decisions isn't how you compare a weapon, playing a defender means that you -for most of the time- want to waste time of the attackers or trade with an attacker, not to fight every single enemy with no issues. Sure, if you got enough skill you can fight all enemies at once even with the SMG-11, but the game isn't designed to be played like that.

How is comparing weapons in worst case scenarios not a fair comparison? How is a weapons ability to overcome a disadvantage not taken into account? Your team wont always be perfect and you wont either. Ignoring things that happen at least once a game as "worst case so it doesnt count" is just dumb

[SirPotato]

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

No it's not actually fair, comparing weapons in worst case scenarios / when you do bad decisions isn't how you compare a weapon, playing a defender means that you -for most of the time- want to waste time of the attackers or trade with an attacker, not to fight every single enemy with no issues. Sure, if you got enough skill you can fight all enemies at once even with the SMG-11, but the game isn't designed to be played like that.

How is comparing weapons in worst case scenarios not a fair comparison? How is a weapons ability to overcome a disadvantage not taken into account? Your team wont always be perfect and you wont either. Ignoring things that happen at least once a game as "worst case so it doesnt count" is just dumb

Yes, worst case scenarios don't count, a weapon shouldn't overcome every flaw you have in your defense. If you are at a disadvantage, you need to play safe and smart, not just rush / get rushed and call the weapon bad.
 "Your team won't always be perfect and you won't either."
That means you shouldn't win the round just because you have a weapon that can take out multiple attackers at once, it's your issue (as you said) not the gun's.

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

How is comparing weapons in worst case scenarios not a fair comparison? How is a weapons ability to overcome a disadvantage not taken into account? Your team wont always be perfect and you wont either. Ignoring things that happen at least once a game as "worst case so it doesnt count" is just dumb

Yes, worst case scenarios don't count, a weapon shouldn't overcome every flaw you have in your defense. If you are at a disadvantage, you need to play safe and smart, not just rush / get rushed and call the weapon bad.
 "Your team won't always be perfect and you won't either."
That means you shouldn't win the round just because you have a weapon that can take out multiple attackers at once, it's your issue (as you said) not the gun's.

Actually it is the guns fault if its incapable of doing something another weapon can do.

Mowing down a group of people pushing last second with Maestros LMG is an upside pretty much an upside exclusively to his weapon and potentially Ela's scorpion or Tachankas LMG.

The same logic youre applying could be used to say that the angled grip isnt a reasonable upside because it only helps you reactively fight back

[SirPotato]

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

Yes, worst case scenarios don't count, a weapon shouldn't overcome every flaw you have in your defense. If you are at a disadvantage, you need to play safe and smart, not just rush / get rushed and call the weapon bad.
 "Your team won't always be perfect and you won't either."
That means you shouldn't win the round just because you have a weapon that can take out multiple attackers at once, it's your issue (as you said) not the gun's.

Actually it is the guns fault if its incapable of doing something another weapon can do.

Mowing down a group of people pushing last second with Maestros LMG is an upside pretty much an upside exclusively to his weapon and potentially Ela's scorpion or Tachankas LMG.

The same logic youre applying could be used to say that the angled grip isnt a reasonable upside because it only helps you reactively fight back

I didn't want to talk about the ALDA before, even though it goes against what I said, because that weapon is very overpowered that it is better than almost all weapons in the game (counting both weapons for attackers and defenders), the ALDA should be nerfed, nothing else to say about it.
About Ela's scorpion, it's balanced by the very high horizontal recoil, it does make it extremely hard to switch to another target with the same burst, meaning it's also a bad weapon to fight a group of enemies with. About the DP27, the weapon is also a bad weapon to fight multiple enemies with, due to its extremely slow fire rate, it's impossible to fight some attackers who have 800RPM weapons with your 550RPM LMG and expect to kill more than one enemy (if they don't pay attention).
About the angled grip, it helps to make you play agressive in close range by making it easier to get a kill while quick peeking or pushing a room, but it doesn't help and make you win against an enemy who started shooting at you.
So, no. P10 Roni shouldn't be blamed for bad decision making, even the SMG-11 can suck in certain situations made by the player's bad decision making.

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Actually it is the guns fault if its incapable of doing something another weapon can do.

Mowing down a group of people pushing last second with Maestros LMG is an upside pretty much an upside exclusively to his weapon and potentially Ela's scorpion or Tachankas LMG.

The same logic youre applying could be used to say that the angled grip isnt a reasonable upside because it only helps you reactively fight back

I didn't want to talk about the ALDA before, even though it goes against what I said, because that weapon is very overpowered that it is better than almost all weapons in the game (counting both weapons for attackers and defenders), the ALDA should be nerfed, nothing else to say about it.
About Ela's scorpion, it's balanced by the very high horizontal recoil, it does make it extremely hard to switch to another target with the same burst, meaning it's also a bad weapon to fight a group of enemies with. About the DP27, the weapon is also a bad weapon to fight multiple enemies with, due to its extremely slow fire rate, it's impossible to fight some attackers who have 800RPM weapons with your 550RPM LMG and expect to kill more than one enemy (if they don't pay attention).
About the angled grip, it helps to make you play agressive in close range by making it easier to get a kill while quick peeking or pushing a room, but it doesn't help and make you win against an enemy who started shooting at you.
So, no. P10 Roni shouldn't be blamed for bad decision making, even the SMG-11 can suck in certain situations made by the player's bad decision making.

Regarding the Alda I completely agree its the most overpowered weapon in the game and has the highest DPS of any weapon including attackers. Really got no idea why they gave Echo and Maestro such strong guns when they have the gadgets that encourage camping in a corner the most.

As for the DP27 it doesnt need a high fire rate to be good at mowing people down when it does so much damage already. Obviously the fire rate helps but 2-3 shot downing people on a gun that fires just short of 10 rps is not bad by any means. People probably just think its somewhat bad since Meastros fires at 15 rps

Then for the angled grip it helps you play aggressively by letting you react faster. Which again is a reactive thing that you shouldnt have to be doing much in the first place

[SirPotato]

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Escrito originalmente por Younesnake:

I didn't want to talk about the ALDA before, even though it goes against what I said, because that weapon is very overpowered that it is better than almost all weapons in the game (counting both weapons for attackers and defenders), the ALDA should be nerfed, nothing else to say about it.
About Ela's scorpion, it's balanced by the very high horizontal recoil, it does make it extremely hard to switch to another target with the same burst, meaning it's also a bad weapon to fight a group of enemies with. About the DP27, the weapon is also a bad weapon to fight multiple enemies with, due to its extremely slow fire rate, it's impossible to fight some attackers who have 800RPM weapons with your 550RPM LMG and expect to kill more than one enemy (if they don't pay attention).
About the angled grip, it helps to make you play agressive in close range by making it easier to get a kill while quick peeking or pushing a room, but it doesn't help and make you win against an enemy who started shooting at you.
So, no. P10 Roni shouldn't be blamed for bad decision making, even the SMG-11 can suck in certain situations made by the player's bad decision making.

As for the DP27 it doesnt need a high fire rate to be good at mowing people down when it does so much damage already. Obviously the fire rate helps but 2-3 shot downing people on a gun that fires just short of 10 rps is not bad by any means. People probably just think its somewhat bad since Meastros fires at 15 rps
Then for the angled grip it helps you play aggressively by letting you react faster. Which again is a reactive thing that you shouldnt have to be doing much in the first place

The DP27 is for the most part an overrated weapon, the 48 damage per bullet isn't that high considering that it kills in 3 bullets, the same as the AUG, Jager's Carbine, and many more weapons. What matters is the TTK, which is quite too low for the DP27 comparing it to other defending weapons, the SMG he has is in my opinion better just because of the higher fire rate and the angled grip. To take down multiple attackers (considering they are all aware, because if not, even Caveira with the M12 can kill them all) you need a weapon that has low TTK, big magazine and low recoil *ahem*ALDA*ahem*.

Angled grip doesn't really make you react faster, it makes it faster for you to take actions, but that doesn't mean you will be able to fight back and win fights easily when you do a mistake, and you also sacrifice long range fighting when using the angled grip (since it will be harder to control recoil at longer angles) .

[B L Λ Z Ξ]

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

Escrito originalmente por SkyFrośt:

I can easily get multiple kills at a time with the P10 Roni in most situation. You need to work on your aim if you think P10 Roni isn't capable of taking out multiple people at once. If you always find yourself surrounded with 3-4 enemies then you are playing the game wrong. If they buff the P10 Roni in anyway at all, it will become op. You clearly lack knowledge about the balancing aspect of the game. The 20 mag size makes the P10 Roni balanced.

The amount assumptions you people make is baffling.

Nowhere did I say it was impossible or difficult to get multiple kills with 1 magazine in the Roni. All I said was that this weapon is OBJECTIVELY weaker than some other weapons at dealing with multiple people

You said High fire rate on a low capacity weapon means it’s horrible for fights involving more than 1 person. The Roni is a high fire rate weapon with low capacity which according to your words means it's horrible for fights involving more than 1 person. So how am i assuming things?

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Escrito originalmente por SkyFrośt:

Escrito originalmente por GhastlyGhostJr:

The amount assumptions you people make is baffling.

Nowhere did I say it was impossible or difficult to get multiple kills with 1 magazine in the Roni. All I said was that this weapon is OBJECTIVELY weaker than some other weapons at dealing with multiple people

You said High fire rate on a low capacity weapon means it’s horrible for fights involving more than 1 person. The Roni is a high fire rate weapon with low capacity which according to your words means it's horrible for fights involving more than 1 person. So how am i assuming things?

“You need to work on your aim”
“How can you think it’d not balanced”

None of those things are related to what I originally said. I never hinted towards the idea of my thoughts on its balance I merely stated a weakness of the Roni

[Wiesell]

Escrito originalmente por ShadowMoon:

Her P10 Roni is incredibly weak ( her pistol deals more damage) and a Marksman Rifle has no place being in CQB situations. The Royal Thai Police don't use any of those weapons anyway. Give her a shotgun like the Mossberg 500 or the Spas-12. If you want her to be equipped with a semi-autorifle, give her a FN FAL which is used by the Royal Thai Police.

I think she's the most balanced op especially after a few days/week of release. She is fine and useful. I think the P10 RONI is more like a headshot machine and the M14 is basically spamfest. Obviously it's going to be harder for her to engage to more than 1 enemy but she is fine.