Luison should have the damage of silenced PRB92

[Kestrel Hudson]

Both logically and game balance-wise.
Recoil should be the same as well.
And headshots should always kill.

[Joe Biden's Hairy Legs]

引用自 Kestrel Hudson：

And it Luison has better hip-fire cone than any DMR as well.

I see these arguements off topic, but anyway.

Bad primary.
Caveira's shotgun is one of the best in the game.
SMG is terrible, but what exactly stops devs to buff or switch it to balance everything out?
On the other hand, there's an absolutely terrible Glaz with highly situational gadget and a DMR that looses gunfights to even secondaries.

Teamwork and flanks etc.
If you are careful, play with a mate (if you happen to have one), and you are able to cover every flank, and Caveira is roaming absolutely blind with no callouts and no intel, of course you should outplay her. But what about your random teammates? Are you ever that confident in them? What if they get interrogated?

Ah yes, hip-fire 100% matters, totally not inconsistent and terrible.
Caveira's shotgun is a shotgun, it's both inconsistent and shows how close-range oriented Caveira is.
What does Glaz have to do with this conversation? Completely unrelated to Caveira in every single way.
If you have random teammates that get interrogated, it's both you and your random's fault for getting interrogated for the lack of communication.

[Kestrel Hudson]

引用自 Joe Biden's Hairy Legs：

What does Glaz have to do with this conversation? Completely unrelated to Caveira in every single way.

He has DMR. Which is worse than Luison, especially if you put a silencer on it. And he is the character that is really in "a bad spot".

Putting other unneccessary parts aside, you just keep pushing the same line without any real arguements about Luison's place as a secondary. As I see it, you want it to stay the way it is, probably because you just like to play this character and don't want to see it nerfed it in any way.

[Copy & Cat]

引用自 Kestrel Hudson：

引用自 Joe Biden's Hairy Legs：

What does Glaz have to do with this conversation? Completely unrelated to Caveira in every single way.

He has DMR. Which is worse than Luison, especially if you put a silencer on it. And he is the character that is really in "a bad spot".

Putting other unneccessary parts aside, you just keep pushing the same line without any real arguements about Luison's place as a secondary. As I see it, you want it to stay the way it is, probably because you just like to play this character and don't want to see it nerfed it in any way.

Didn't know glaz was balanced around being a stealthy ops that needed to interrogate people downed so he had a custom gun made exactly for that.

Also everyone knows glaz is bad, saying someone is worst doesn't mean much, Jager has 90% pickrate, guess evernyone below him is balanced

Currently it's a always suppressed pistol with high recoil, lowest range, but mid damage and rof as well as nerfed magazine size that can't kill on headshot,

[Joe Biden's Hairy Legs]

引用自 Kestrel Hudson：

引用自 Joe Biden's Hairy Legs：

What does Glaz have to do with this conversation? Completely unrelated to Caveira in every single way.

He has DMR. Which is worse than Luison, especially if you put a silencer on it. And he is the character that is really in "a bad spot".

Putting other unneccessary parts aside, you just keep pushing the same line without any real arguements about Luison's place as a secondary. As I see it, you want it to stay the way it is, probably because you just like to play this character and don't want to see it nerfed it in any way.

DMRs and the Luison are still unrelated in every single way.
Glaz is in a way better spot than he was pre-buff in Shadow Legacy.
And you keep pushing the same lines that the Luison needs a nerf because you lost to a Caveira in Copper placements. So since you lost, you decided to go onto the Steam Discussions forums to say that the Luison needs a nerf when it doesn't. You want to nerf a character that is in a bad spot, possibly worse than Glaz, and you see it as a good decision. It's a good thing that Ubisoft doesn't really listen to posts like this or we would have even more terrible decisions than we already get.

[Kestrel Hudson]

Well, I gave you the facts and the numbers. I don't see any reasonable points I should answer anymore.
Hope anyone saw it valuable.

[Hellfox]

引用自 Kestrel Hudson：

Well, I gave you the facts and the numbers. I don't see any reasonable points I should answer anymore.
Hope anyone saw it valuable.

Zero constructief and zero suggestion then nerfing a weapon without a good reason.

[Maha pöydäl]

Lol no.

引用自 Joe Biden's Hairy Legs：

引用自 Kestrel Hudson：

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2311212167

Luison has at the very least comparable, if not better, recoil.
MK-14 still slower, has less damage.

12 rounds mag? Higher than any high-damage pistol in the game. Not as high as DMR, but still decent enough. Could easily kill a couple of enemies in a row. And reload animation is one of the fastest in the game.

No scope? Well, it's kind of a disadvantage in comparision to DMR, i guess. Not that much of disadvantage when you can quickscope (LMB+RMB at the same time) though.

You're comparing a pistol that is designed to down enemies to DMRs that are supposed to shoot people from a considerable distance away. They are by no means similar. The damage also doesn't justify a nerf, Caveira is already in a bad spot due to her primary weapons and her rather limited utility.
You've probably had a round where you lost to Caveira and so you want to nerf her. So, if you know there's a Caveira, watch your flanks, place claymores, place airjabs, don't go into the building solo, and get good.

Like this guy said, Cav is in a bad spot.

Cav is good if enemies are not communicating at all, and going solo into the building while playing with their keyboard upside down.

You're so much better picking another operator with more utility and more help to the team.

[SirPotato]

I don't think you know how bad Caveira is, her pistol is her actual primary weapon (since she has the worst weapon in the game and a shotgun as primaries). And actually, the PRB92 is way easier to use compared to the Luison, because the Luison has random recoil patterns every time you start shooting and has one of the worst damage drop offs in the game.
You know which pistol is the most powerful (as powerful as DMR's), it's the PMM, that thing has 61 damage per bullet and is very easy to use.