Siege is in a terrible state

[Baelfyr]

When did the game become COD? I swear it's been over a year since I heard a random in casual say hey can we get an X, can somebody go Y? when people say the game died I really think the last thing they're talking about is population numbers and more the feeling of the game, no tactics, just gadget destruction and one hit kill peek angles, 100 operators goal was a proper mistake :/

[DANIEL]

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

Originally posted by Kethriss:

"Since when did people stop taking this game deathly seriously and just play to enjoy themselves wtf?"
-OP

smurf accounts in cas is "just to enjoy themselves"? Why does enjoyment come at the cost of other players enjoyment, genuine question :)

There's no such thing as smurfing in Casual.

What you need to do is stop being mad about others being better than you. Get mad at Smurfs in RANKED.

[Baelfyr]

Originally posted by  Sir_Mossy :

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

I do, Due Process has a small but friendly community that actually uses the prep phase to plan rounds in gasp even casual matches because it turns out the draw of the game is the planning and the execution which siege used to have elements of but now its devolved into click head on optimal corner sim and its a bit stale, uninstalled now anyhow genuinely been up to a year since I had fun with it just wondering what the consensus is for when the game hit that point

And how much would you want to bet that Due Process would devolve into the same type of gameplay if/when it gets a large player base?

There's no incentive to play slow/methodical in any shooter. Most people wouldn't want to deal with spending several minutes devising a plan of attack every single time they play the game. That's why I don't usually play R6:S for long play sessions anymore. Ranked is where the more intense gameplay resides, whereas casual is meant to be a "jump in, play some rounds, have fun" type of mode. You're not going to get people asking for a specific operator in casual because nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥. You can leave on a whim with no penalty (as it should be because it's casual), so why would people put more than the bare minimum effort into it?

As an added note, you aren't forced to play like cancer to play R6:S. I employ a very "anchor" type play style when I play ranked, and I tend to do pretty good for the most part. I have gotten several platinum charms playing in a more thought-out fashion as opposed to "running & gunning" and it works pretty well for me. I like to play Lesion, but not like most where they hear a needle go off and rush in guns blazing. I prefer to lay my needles in a way that throws an attacker "off balance" before pushing and forcing them to halt their rush or move in with a major hindrance.

I'll bet quite a bit as Due Process employs about 121 maps rn and they rotate constantly, can't meta angle every single map in such a large pool, another glaring issue with Siege due too half the maps being questionably viable/completely broken or just not even used anymore, there aree other mechanics that help that too, economy, no superhero gadgets/universals etc

Tarkov and early Siege would disagree heavily with that statement, rushing into a gunfight is dumb, thats why Siege is a sit in 3-4 key spots and hold angles for minutes game now, especially on defense, used to hear can we get thermite every other match in Y1 & 2 cas too, and typically when people enjoy a thing they put effort into it, not quite sure what your point is there, you don't not play because you're in the little league :s

Lesion as much as I enjoy him conceptually is one of the main issues in Siege, vastly outshadows other ops and does what early ops did better, a single lesion can hold an entire shield push himself and entirely lockdown certain maps, fun as he is he's a balance issue in the same vein that Tachanka is useless and Clash is virtually unplayable against someone with a brain unless you can comm with a team, same kind of balance issue that not providing attackers with site or enemy ops causes, def can have a whole plan set out and atk just have to make guesses as to which area they have, can't swap to a useful op after droning if your pick does literally 0 on a particular obj (caused by Y1 map design and Y3040 Op design issues), yet ranked is currently tagged as out of beta after 4 years the main change they made was op bans, woo? I can play less of what I paid for and still on atk not know if it will pay off?

[Baelfyr]

Originally posted by #FreeKyle:

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

smurf accounts in cas is "just to enjoy themselves"? Why does enjoyment come at the cost of other players enjoyment, genuine question :)

There's no such thing as smurfing in Casual.

What you need to do is stop being mad about others being better than you. Get mad at Smurfs in RANKED.

Except for the fact that shadow MMR causes purely ranked players to get matched with everything down to coppers in casual because ranked players place then move to cas to avoid deranking, unranked also has this shadow mmr system, which would fix the issue if they made playlist MMR universal, as has been asked for before.

[DANIEL]

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

Originally posted by #FreeKyle:

There's no such thing as smurfing in Casual.

What you need to do is stop being mad about others being better than you. Get mad at Smurfs in RANKED.

Except for the fact that shadow MMR causes purely ranked players to get matched with everything down to coppers in casual because ranked players place then move to cas to avoid deranking, unranked also has this shadow mmr system, which would fix the issue if they made playlist MMR universal, as has been asked for before.

But even Ubi states that Casual has it's own version of MMR. So if you're paired against them, it means they aren't even playing at their full potential half the time they're in casual and are just messing around... or else they'd be playing against players in their skill range too.

[Baelfyr]

Originally posted by #FreeKyle:

Originally posted by Baelfyr:

Except for the fact that shadow MMR causes purely ranked players to get matched with everything down to coppers in casual because ranked players place then move to cas to avoid deranking, unranked also has this shadow mmr system, which would fix the issue if they made playlist MMR universal, as has been asked for before.

But even Ubi states that Casual has it's own version of MMR. So if you're paired against them, it means they aren't even playing at their full potential half the time they're in casual and are just messing around... or else they'd be playing against players in their skill range too.

You're ignoring the part of the population that purely plays cas and has high mmr in specifically that playlist being paired against people who play 5 stack plat, we can agree surely that casual matches at a "high level" are nothing like ranked or pl? A casual 5 stack team against plats on might stand a chance but a solo team with high mmrs will still get literally bullied, I know plenty of average players that consistently get stacked by high ranks and even when they are on a lower mmr level they breeze through it by playing cas like its ranked, sure you can inspire the cas players to try but try telling a gold 2 that his opponent is barely lvl 50 like they will remotely hold back despite the main argument being "they're messing around", pistols only and knife rounds is a mythical event from the past at this point lol.