I still don't understand the reasoning behind removing mozzie's super shorty

[modelmaker]

It doesn't make any sense to remove mozzie's SuperShorty and then give it to castle, it's not like castle doesn't have a primary shotgun. And saying "so he doesn't make the spoopy rotation" is a poor excuse, because any other operator with a shotgun or impacts or c4 can make a rotation hole better than the super shorty. I mean have you tried to make a rotation with the SuperShorty? It usually takes more than one mag to make one that you can crouch through not to mention it's very loud.

[n♿va]

Harry, taking his shotgun doesn't remove ANY utility so what even is your point?

[catharsis]

n♿va eredeti hozzászólása:

Harry, taking his shotgun doesn't remove ANY utility so what even is your point?

Ofcourse it removes utility from him. Having a secondary shotgun to make rotates and open up other stuff counts as utility.

[NeuroticSlav]

Harry Gumdropzap eredeti hozzászólása:

twunny phaiv eredeti hozzászólása:

What's your stance on Ace and Melusi then

attackers are starved on utility imo, they really need to rely on intel vs defenders with intel being thrown at them
sure his gadget can make 3 walkable sized holes, but it takes super ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long, and because it takes super ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long its easy to bandit trick
that bandit bypass does not stop bandit tricking at all, and what about kaid? does it work when the floor is indestructible?
i think ace is fine as he is, getting rid of one of his gadgets wont hurt but i dont think its necessary

melusi has a good gun, good gadget, nitro cell, and a three speed
though cant we say the same for bandit?
i think one of melusis gadget should be removed, she has all this utility but the difference between her and bandit is her gadget is more set it and forget it
its either that or change her into a 2 speed operator, shes almost like the new jager

I dont think melusi gadget alone is good or threatening. It has good synergy with other traps though.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

n♿va eredeti hozzászólása:

Harry, taking his shotgun doesn't remove ANY utility so what even is your point?

yes it does, thats the whole gist with secondary shotguns
use it to destroy barricades, make rotation holes, make easier vertical plays
if it doesnt remove any utility what would bucks gadget be?

[Harry Gumdropzap]

Hitsuran eredeti hozzászólása:

Harry Gumdropzap eredeti hozzászólása:

attackers are starved on utility imo, they really need to rely on intel vs defenders with intel being thrown at them
sure his gadget can make 3 walkable sized holes, but it takes super ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long, and because it takes super ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long its easy to bandit trick
that bandit bypass does not stop bandit tricking at all, and what about kaid? does it work when the floor is indestructible?
i think ace is fine as he is, getting rid of one of his gadgets wont hurt but i dont think its necessary

melusi has a good gun, good gadget, nitro cell, and a three speed
though cant we say the same for bandit?
i think one of melusis gadget should be removed, she has all this utility but the difference between her and bandit is her gadget is more set it and forget it
its either that or change her into a 2 speed operator, shes almost like the new jager

I dont think melusi gadget alone is good or threatening. It has good synergy with other traps though.

her gadget is a rush denier, it could make you second guess going into a room since it does also make a loud noise which i think makes that threatening

[RcsPcsN1]

Honestly, a good fix for mozzie is to give him his super shorty back, exchange c4 with impacts (or keep the c4 and take a pest), for ace, keep the AK, take away the smokes (maybe also one of the bread containers he has) and see where that goes, and as for melusi, take 1 of her microwaves, give her impacts instead of C4, make her a 2 speed.

The balancing by Ubi this season has definitely been *ahem*, questionable

[NeuroticSlav]

Harry Gumdropzap eredeti hozzászólása:

Hitsuran eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont think melusi gadget alone is good or threatening. It has good synergy with other traps though.

her gadget is a rush denier, it could make you second guess going into a room since it does also make a loud noise which i think makes that threatening

I think noise is only issue because sound right now is just broken beyond belief so alot of people dont hear those rushing goombas, but when you can actually hear footsteps it wont make big difference . But well placed gu mines around melusi gadget along with jager or wamai gadget together can be pretty strong combo.

[Laati]

PainKnight eredeti hozzászólása:

I find their weapon loadouts comical at best. Mute and Smoke get what's considered the best shotgun in the game, AND the smg-11, AND their gadgets are pretty good. But then you have so many ops that get a bad shotgun, limited use gadget, and yet receive no machine pistol for a secondary? Jackel has the cz7e which is a great gun, has a great gadget, AND ALSO gets a shotty sidearm? Clash gets a full body bulletproof shield, which ALSO has a magic taser on the front, AND ALSO gets an excellent machine pistol? But Montagne gets jack all? Then they give that machine pistol to Kali, but tell Glaz, who already has a trash pick and win rate, to get bent?

This is just typical ubi tactics. Completely ignore your playerbase, and just yeet stuff at a wall and hope it works.

The SAS Shotgun is definitely NOT THE BEST. In fact, i'd put it around the lower middle.

For Pump Actions. There are a good amount of better choices.

Auto shotguns basically just break the SAS Shotgun in half. Except the M1014.

Montague is already banned in pretty much every proleague game.

He can be even more annoying than CLASH if you play him right.

Can't see ♥♥♥♥ or do ♥♥♥♥ against him once the defuser is on. Unless if you have a nitro.

Kali is arguably even weaker than Glaz. Even with two machine pistols.

Although, yes, I would ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love for Glaz to get a buff already.

[Joe Biden's Hairy Legs]

ReecesPiecesN1 eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly, a good fix for mozzie is to give him his super shorty back, exchange c4 with impacts (or keep the c4 and take a pest), for ace, keep the AK, take away the smokes (maybe also one of the bread containers he has) and see where that goes, and as for melusi, take 1 of her microwaves, give her impacts instead of C4, make her a 2 speed.

The balancing by Ubi this season has definitely been *ahem*, questionable

For Mozzie, I would just give him barbed wire. He can have the Super Shorty to break open walls. I would say take smokes away from Ace and give him flashbangs, but don't remove a S.E.L.M.A. Melusi doesn't need another nerf and she already has impacts.

[RcsPcsN1]

Joe Biden's Hairy Legs eredeti hozzászólása:

ReecesPiecesN1 eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly, a good fix for mozzie is to give him his super shorty back, exchange c4 with impacts (or keep the c4 and take a pest), for ace, keep the AK, take away the smokes (maybe also one of the bread containers he has) and see where that goes, and as for melusi, take 1 of her microwaves, give her impacts instead of C4, make her a 2 speed.

The balancing by Ubi this season has definitely been *ahem*, questionable

For Mozzie, I would just give him barbed wire. He can have the Super Shorty to break open walls. I would say take smokes away from Ace and give him flashbangs, but don't remove a S.E.L.M.A. Melusi doesn't need another nerf and she already has impacts.

I can get down with this, and whoops, I forgot about that, my bad

[Harry Gumdropzap]

Hitsuran eredeti hozzászólása:

Harry Gumdropzap eredeti hozzászólása:

her gadget is a rush denier, it could make you second guess going into a room since it does also make a loud noise which i think makes that threatening

I think noise is only issue because sound right now is just broken beyond belief so alot of people dont hear those rushing goombas, but when you can actually hear footsteps it wont make big difference . But well placed gu mines around melusi gadget along with jager or wamai gadget together can be pretty strong combo.

ubisoft is rebuilding the entire sound system, hopefully its fixed soon

[⭕⃤ | Riptide]

Personally I'm glad castle got the super shorty but i feel as if mozzie should not have lost his. hes a very well rounded operator but its really not a massive L, mozzie is still very good even without his shotty

[NeuroticSlav]

Harry Gumdropzap eredeti hozzászólása:

Hitsuran eredeti hozzászólása:

I think noise is only issue because sound right now is just broken beyond belief so alot of people dont hear those rushing goombas, but when you can actually hear footsteps it wont make big difference . But well placed gu mines around melusi gadget along with jager or wamai gadget together can be pretty strong combo.

ubisoft is rebuilding the entire sound system, hopefully its fixed soon

I hope so, most of my deaths are because of sound issues and it cost me so many matches.

[m0nesy]

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

PainKnight eredeti hozzászólása:

I find their weapon loadouts comical at best. Mute and Smoke get what's considered the best shotgun in the game, AND the smg-11, AND their gadgets are pretty good. But then you have so many ops that get a bad shotgun, limited use gadget, and yet receive no machine pistol for a secondary? Jackel has the cz7e which is a great gun, has a great gadget, AND ALSO gets a shotty sidearm? Clash gets a full body bulletproof shield, which ALSO has a magic taser on the front, AND ALSO gets an excellent machine pistol? But Montagne gets jack all? Then they give that machine pistol to Kali, but tell Glaz, who already has a trash pick and win rate, to get bent?

This is just typical ubi tactics. Completely ignore your playerbase, and just yeet stuff at a wall and hope it works.

The SAS Shotgun is definitely NOT THE BEST. In fact, i'd put it around the lower middle.

For Pump Actions. There are a good amount of better choices.

Auto shotguns basically just break the SAS Shotgun in half. Except the M1014.

Montague is already banned in pretty much every proleague game.

He can be even more annoying than CLASH if you play him right.

Can't see ♥♥♥♥ or do ♥♥♥♥ against him once the defuser is on. Unless if you have a nitro.

Kali is arguably even weaker than Glaz. Even with two machine pistols.

Although, yes, I would ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love for Glaz to get a buff already.

Let me say something bout Monty. Heard they made an update where if you melee his shield, a good amount of his legs get exposed. In a 2v1 situation it's easier to counter. In 1v1, I'm not sure...