montagne with smg's or an enhanced shield bash

[Keter Duty]

I get clash's shield is special in that they cant hold a weapon with it active but what if montagne has access to an smg or if he could melee someone while his shield gadget was activated, it wouldn't be a one shot and would me slower than the default melee but it would push you back so you can just corner him and spam it until he dies

[UbiMorning]

Thanks for the suggestions! A shield bash would be kind of neat to see. What if the bash did a disorienting effect like the Yokai? Except not as long.

[BlueCarrots]

Originally posted by UbiMorning:

Thanks for the suggestions! A shield bash would be kind of neat to see. What if the bash did a disorienting effect like the Yokai? Except not as long.

Doing this could just be a better blitz other than 2 speed

[twunny phaiv]

Monty doesn't need any kind of fragging buff except for reverting the ADS nerf.

[Froctus]

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

Monty doesn't need any kind of fragging buff except for reverting the ADS nerf.

In general shields just need some love (and yes that includes Fuze / Recruit)

[Keter Duty]

Originally posted by Blue-Carrots:

Originally posted by UbiMorning:

Thanks for the suggestions! A shield bash would be kind of neat to see. What if the bash did a disorienting effect like the Yokai? Except not as long.

Doing this could just be a better blitz other than 2 speed

i meant for it just to be knockback so its harder to push him into a corner and just slap his shield untill he dies, the disorientation could just be for like a quarter of the push animation

[twunny phaiv]

Originally posted by Frosted Coctus:

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

Monty doesn't need any kind of fragging buff except for reverting the ADS nerf.

In general shields just need some love (and yes that includes Fuze / Recruit)

Agreed.

Something that's been on my mind for a while is Blitz; specifically what exactly is the core cause of the frustration towards him. If you ask me, I'm fairly certain it's his ability to sprint with his shield up, which is likely the sole cause of his famous rushing potential (and of course the subsequent unwarranted nerfs to shields).

I say remove that entirely and make him function like any other shield. After that, you can start buffing shields bit by bit, without worrying about them becoming broken.

[TUPACTOPUS]

It's incredibly easy to get kills as Mont.... you just need to be smart and know when to unshield and melee.

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

Originally posted by Frosted Coctus:

In general shields just need some love (and yes that includes Fuze / Recruit)

Agreed.

Something that's been on my mind for a while is Blitz; specifically what exactly is the core cause of the frustration towards him. If you ask me, I'm fairly certain it's his ability to sprint with his shield up, which is likely the sole cause of his famous rushing potential (and of course the subsequent unwarranted nerfs to shields).

I say remove that entirely and make him function like any other shield. After that, you can start buffing shields bit by bit, without worrying about them becoming broken.

He was fine because of the 2/2 change, but because ubi screwed the values up, the got faster than intended which made people hate him, so he got nerfed 5 times or more since them. He was fine sprinting with the shield up as 3 armor.

[gaming]

I play Montagne a lot, and even I think that giving him the ability to melee attack with a deployed shield would be absolutely op.

[twunny phaiv]

Originally posted by Christmas zone:

He was fine sprinting with the shield up as 3 armor.

To be fair I wasn't playing for very long before the 2/2 buff in Chimera, so I don't really remember his overall state before that, but I still don't think giving a flash shield the ability to sprint with very good protection is a very smart design choice as a whole. Yes his legs are very vulnerable, but in close quarters where closing the distance while sprinting is quite easy, I just don't see that ever being enjoyable to go up against.
Another thing, we haven't seen him play out as a 2/2 without shield sprint and with other nerfs reverted, it might turn out to be the most balanced he could ever be. Who knows though.

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

Originally posted by Christmas zone:

He was fine sprinting with the shield up as 3 armor.

To be fair I wasn't playing for very long before the 2/2 buff in Chimera, so I don't really remember his overall state before that, but I still don't think giving a flash shield the ability to sprint with very good protection is a very smart design choice as a whole. Yes his legs are very vulnerable, but in close quarters where closing the distance while sprinting is quite easy, I just don't see that ever being enjoyable to go up against.
Another thing, we haven't seen him play out as a 2/2 without shield sprint and with other nerfs reverted, it might turn out to be the most balanced he could ever be. Who knows though.

He was joke/tachanka tier before being able to sprint with the shield up

[twunny phaiv]

Originally posted by Christmas zone:

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

To be fair I wasn't playing for very long before the 2/2 buff in Chimera, so I don't really remember his overall state before that, but I still don't think giving a flash shield the ability to sprint with very good protection is a very smart design choice as a whole. Yes his legs are very vulnerable, but in close quarters where closing the distance while sprinting is quite easy, I just don't see that ever being enjoyable to go up against.
Another thing, we haven't seen him play out as a 2/2 without shield sprint and with other nerfs reverted, it might turn out to be the most balanced he could ever be. Who knows though.

He was joke/tachanka tier before being able to sprint with the shield up

Still, I wonder if he'd be viable enough if you simply removed the shield sprint, kept him a 2-speed, and reverted every other shield nerf. I'm certain he'd be better than he is now at least...
Maybe some other across-the-board shield buffs would be needed too?

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

Originally posted by Christmas zone:

He was joke/tachanka tier before being able to sprint with the shield up

Still, I wonder if he'd be viable enough if you simply removed the shield sprint, kept him a 2-speed, and reverted every other shield nerf. I'm certain he'd be better than he is now at least...
Maybe some other across-the-board shield buffs would be needed too?

Besides he's not evne 2 speed, or 2 speed with shield debuff, he's just 1.25 speed actually which is ONLY makes him faster than 3 armor

[twunny phaiv]

Originally posted by Christmas zone:

Originally posted by twunny phaiv:

Still, I wonder if he'd be viable enough if you simply removed the shield sprint, kept him a 2-speed, and reverted every other shield nerf. I'm certain he'd be better than he is now at least...
Maybe some other across-the-board shield buffs would be needed too?

Besides he's not evne 2 speed, or 2 speed with shield debuff, he's just 1.25 speed actually which is ONLY makes him faster than 3 armor

that's a bit dumb imo. 1.5 speed or 1.75 speed would probably be a nicely balanced amount of mobility without the frustration factor of full-shield sprinting.