Worst weapons by class

[Kestrel Hudson]

Fixed the first message to apply some constructive criticism.

Sometimes I quote myself here in order to not repeat same arguments. Sorry for the wall of text.

The word "worst", at least in this context, doesn't mean its terrible or unusable (though the subject could be). It only means that all the others are better.

SMG consensus: UMP45 (Castle and Pulse)

- Low damage
- Low RPM
- Small magazine

It is terrible as damage and RPM goes, and I would put it at least second. Magazine size is really small too. But you can be consistent with it if you happen to miss headshots.

SMG my personal opinion: Vector .45 (Mira and Goyo)

- Horrible recoil after 3rd shot
- Low damage per bullet
- Small magazine coupled with high RPM and...
- Slow reload animation

There isn't a single barrel attachement that really fixes the recoil in any way, so I guess the recoil works the way it does by the design. You need a lot of bullets to kill an enemy, but you run through the mag extremely fast. You can't make headshots reliably too, since the recoil. If you are pushed by several enemies and you've managed to kill one of them, you are most likely out of ammo and you are forced to switch to secondary, which is probably the shotgun, so good luck with that.

With Vector, you can't always go full auto due to recoil (see RONI), small magazine (see P90 and Scorpion) and how fast it chews from it. You don't have ACOG to go for headshots (P90), and bursts don't work due to small damage and only a few of them will completely deplete the ammo.

You need to land at least 5 shots in chest to kill anyone with the gun, but after the 3rd one the crazy recoil kicks in. And you only have 25 in the mag. Visually you stay on target, but if it's further than 10 meters away, your aim at this point all over the place. And then you are penalized for trying to adjust aim with the reloading.

But as DPS goes, yes, its kind of good. Much better than UMP45. At close distances it's all that matters. Unless you are pushed by few enemies.

I get it why it doesn't have the ACOG and why it's recoil is so chaotic after the third shot. I don't get why the magazine is so small.

Shotgun consensus: ACS12 (Maestro and Alibi)

- Unsuitable for any seriuous competition

Shotgun my personal opinion: M1014 (Castle, Pulse, Thermite)

- Low damage
- Slow reload animation
- Small impact area

There's no saving grace for this one, it's horrible whatever you try to do with it: both fragging and destruction.

AR consensus: MK17 CQB (Blackbeard)

- Terrible DPS coupled with low RPM
- Terrible recoil all around
- Small magazine

AR my personal opinion: AK-74M (Nomad)

- Terrible DPS coupled with low RPM
- No grips
- High first shot recoil
- Insane horizontal spread after only the second shot

It's a close competition with MK17 CQB, but at least the latter, though absolutely terrible, has an advantage of the shield. The gun doesn't work for neither small bursts (slow RPM, low damage per bullet and extremely high first shot recoil) nor for full-auto fire (high horizontal recoil). It's like it was design to be horrible at everything. Why? Because of 40-round mag? Is it really that much of an advantage?

DMR both consensus so far and my opinion: OTS-03 (Glaz)

- Small magazine
- High recoil
- Low RPM

The gun is unsuitable for anything, both long range and close range combat. The only thing it has going for it is the scope. But why should it be so weak?

LMG my personal opinion: T-95 (Ying) and V308 (Lion)

I've decided to put V308 into LMG class, but its overall stats are all over the place

- Bad recoil pattern
- Low RPM

Уou can split LMGs in subclasses. Belt-fed, with low RPM. 6P41, LMG-E, M249. M249 has the tightest recoil of the all, and all other stats look pretty good.

Mag-fed, IQ's G8A1 is extremely viable (at least comparably), due to angled grip, average LMG recoil and highest RPM (not counting ALDA). V308 and T-95 - you can look at them as average assault riffles with average damage and RPM only with higher mag capacity, but here's where recoil pattern kicks in. They are not terrible, none of them are, but I find them weakest.

If you look solely at recoil patterns, only Capitao's M249 (but not the Gridlock's one) appears to be viable at the attacker's side. Lion's V308 and Ying's T-95 are particulary bad and none of their stats make up for it. It's probably due to them being mag-fed? G81A1 (IQ and Amaru) looks much more appealing in almost every sense. Meastro's ALDA looks at least as strong, if not stronger.
What a weird class.

Lion's V308 is a weird gun. It has damage drop off of an SMG, ADS of AR and magazine size and recoil pattern of LMG (it immedeately goes into these large circular spots after the first shot, but then they don't increase much in diameter).

ALDA and G8A1, are probably the best. M249 is probably third due to the tightest recoil.

Handgun my personal opinion: .44 Mag (Nomad and Kaid)

- Insane recoil
- Small magazine size
- Mediocre damage
- Forces you to use the scope

Exceptionally bad. Maybe if you like to meme with it's scope it's somewhat fun. The most bizzare secondary weapon in the game.


Secondary SMG my personal opinion: C-75 (Dokkaebi, Vigil, Kali) or SMG-12 (Dokkaebi, Vigil)

- Terrible iron sights and almost no attachements available (C-75)
- The worst recoil pattern in the game coupled with the highest RPM (SMG-12)

I just cant decide: it's either you can't see what you are shooting at, or you can see but can't hit it. Poor Dokkaebi mains.

C75 itself isn't bad, but its ironsights are. It's the only secondary SMG that forces you to use ironsights, and the ones it has aren't the best ones in the game at the very least.

There aren't that many secondary SMGs too. SMG-11? It's definitely better. Bearing-9? Arguably better. SPSM9? It's pretty good.

[Mewo]

twunny phaiv původně napsal:

DMR: OTS-03. It's really sad that the OG Sniper operator has the DMR with the slowest firerate, highest recoil, smallest magazine, and a damage bonus that doesn't have any impact, given how most DMRs are 2-shots at most ranges anyway.

Really depends whether you consider the thermal sight to be part of the weapon ( I did when I was picking the worst dmr).
Without it I would agree that this is the worst dmr, easily beaten by all the others...
With it on the other hand I think it's not fair to say that it's the worst, the ability to highlight all enemies and see through smokes can prove to be very powerful.

[twunny phaiv]

TheBigSad původně napsal:

twunny phaiv původně napsal:

DMR: OTS-03. It's really sad that the OG Sniper operator has the DMR with the slowest firerate, highest recoil, smallest magazine, and a damage bonus that doesn't have any impact, given how most DMRs are 2-shots at most ranges anyway.

Really depends whether you consider the thermal sight to be part of the weapon ( I did when I was picking the worst dmr).
Without it I would agree that this is the worst dmr, easily beaten by all the others...
With it on the other hand I think it's not fair to say that it's the worst, the ability to highlight all enemies and see through smokes can prove to be very powerful.

I consider the gadget and weapon to be separate.

[Kestrel Hudson]

It's the same as SCAR: as it's horrible, but the shield. But stats-wise, yes.

On the bright side, they might buff the OTS at some point, due to Glaz having consistently both low pick- and win-rate. They probably should do it, since if it's considered that his gun should be used at long range - he is kind of bad at it right now (at my opinion). And Ubi Soft's graphs only confirm it. Having 10 round mag on attack for shorter distances doesn't make much sense as well.

Blackbeard probably won't receive any buffs anytime soon, though.

[Laati]

SMG- I disagree wholeheartedly. As Mira's Vector can shred enemies and barely has any recoil whatsoever.

Grab a compensator and watch as most of your enemies fall.

The two flaws it has is it's small magazine size and the fact that you can't use it at Long Ranges.

However, it's a beast at close and medium ranges. Which is good because Siege a CQC based game.

If I were to pick the worst SMG. UMP-45. No contest.

Shotgun-

Personally I find the M1014 to be extremely medicore. Equivalent to getting a C-.

If I had to choose a worst shotgun. It'd be the Supernova.

First thing of note is that unlike Semi-autos. Which usually have many chances of hitting your enemy.

With pump actions you usually have 2 or if you're lucky 3 chances of hitting you enemy. Before you die.

The Supernova has the slowest firerate out of all the Pump-Action Shotguns.
With a grand total of a 75 RPM firerate.

It deals the same amount of damage as Smoke's Shotgun. But it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slower.

Assault Rifle- Nah i'd still put Blackbeard's AR as the worst.

Because Nomad's AK has the firerate advantage along with a 41 mag capacity. Both guns have unordinary recoil compared to the other ARs. But Nomad is better Stats wise.

DMR- Blackbeard's DMR is 3rd worst.
It still has a 21 mag capacity and it also has barely any recoil.

The 2nd worst would be Maverick's AR 15.50. It's classified as an AR. But it functions like a DMR. Although it has less harsh damage drop off after 25 meters. With the lowest being 50. It still does the same amount of damage as the SR-25 upclose but with only 11 bullets in his magazine.

The worst would be Glaz's OTs. With low magazine capacity, harsh recoil compared to the rest, and slow firerate. It is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DMR in Siege.

LMG- Agreed for the T-95. Disagree for Lion's V308. As it isn't an LMG. It technically doesn't even function as such.

Handgun- The .44 mag. Although it has harsh recoil. It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ACOG Pistol. If you can control it, which I can't, you can literally snipe people from far away. Not also that but it has the fast ADS of a handgun as well.

The weakest Handgun would be the RG-15.

-Laughably weak dealing 38 damage per shot.
-low mag size compared to most other pistols
-the only weapon that had as low DPS as it was the Slug ACS-12 when it was first changed.

Secondary SMG: Agreed.

[GarbageCollector]

How can anyone possibly say the Vector is worse than the UMP? I don't ever play Goyo but I don't think I could ask for a better gun for Mira when it comes to mirror-peeking, honestly. Whereas UMP45 is among the worst weapons of all classes in the entire game. Am I missing something here or wtf?

[Blind Knight]

Vector is hard to control.

[SoULLeSs]

smokytehbear původně napsal:

How can anyone possibly say the Vector is worse than the UMP? I don't ever play Goyo but I don't think I could ask for a better gun for Mira when it comes to mirror-peeking, honestly. Whereas UMP45 is among the worst weapons of all classes in the entire game. Am I missing something here or wtf?

The only contender against worst smg with UMP, would be the M12 would I say, they are basicly same "low" trash tier

[Blind Knight]

Pistols.. pls don't ban me..

[GarbageCollector]

Tr1ckst3r původně napsal:

smokytehbear původně napsal:

How can anyone possibly say the Vector is worse than the UMP? I don't ever play Goyo but I don't think I could ask for a better gun for Mira when it comes to mirror-peeking, honestly. Whereas UMP45 is among the worst weapons of all classes in the entire game. Am I missing something here or wtf?

The only contender against worst smg with UMP, would be the M12 would I say, they are basicly same "low" trash tier

And intentionally so, because of who carries them. Imagine if Pulse had a 416-C or even MP5 instead of the UMP.

[Laati]

smokytehbear původně napsal:

Tr1ckst3r původně napsal:

The only contender against worst smg with UMP, would be the M12 would I say, they are basicly same "low" trash tier

And intentionally so, because of who carries them. Imagine if Pulse had a 416-C or even MP5 instead of the UMP.

Nah bro.

Give Pulse the Alda. It'll be balanced. Promise!

[Vador76]

SMG: UMP 45
Shotgun: Supernova
AR: Spear 308 ( finka's )
DMR: Maverick AR 15 ( i consider it a DMR, gameplay wise )
LMG: T95-LSW
Handgun: P10 C
Machine Pistol / Secondary SMG: Bearing 9

but in fact most of these are not terrible overall it's just that they are overshadowed by so many cheesy guns with High ROF / Low recoil that this game is famous for

[Wiesell]

Vador76 původně napsal:

SMG: UMP 45
Shotgun: Supernova
AR: Spear 308 ( finka's )
DMR: Maverick AR 15 ( i consider it a DMR, gameplay wise )
LMG: T95-LSW
Handgun: P10 C
Machine Pistol / Secondary SMG: Bearing 9

but in fact most of these are not terrible overall it's just that they are overshadowed by so many cheesy guns with High ROF / Low recoil that this game is famous for

Yeah I think the P-10C isn't that bad, it's just replaced with a SPSMG 9 or a SMG-12.

[mech70]

smg: m10 (cav gun) one of the lowest firerates in the game with low damage also
shotgun: supernova honestly feels like a peashooter, low firerate doesn't help (it feels painfully slow)
ar: ak74/bb gun high recoil, low dmg/low firerate, low dmg
dmr: ar15
lmg:m249 saw
pistol: rg15, only redeeming stat is its sight. awkward recoil, low dmg, no redeeming mag size. prob controversial, so i will also say nomad and kaids pistol
secondary smg: cz75 for bad sight

[dogfart vlone]

Mech70 původně napsal:

smg: m10 (cav gun) one of the lowest firerates in the game with low damage also
shotgun: supernova honestly feels like a peashooter, low firerate doesn't help (it feels painfully slow)
ar: ak74/bb gun high recoil, low dmg/low firerate, low dmg
dmr: ar15
lmg:m249 saw
pistol: rg15, only redeeming stat is its sight. awkward recoil, low dmg, no redeeming mag size. prob controversial, so i will also say nomad and kaids pistol
secondary smg: cz75 for bad sight

Cz75 is good, RG15 has no recoil just saying. Ak47M is a solid weapon with almost no recoil. You should be aiming for the head or near there with every gun. Every cav’s gun, you’re gonna be sneaking behind them and have multiple chances to aim for the head

[SirPotato]

Well, the Vector shines (and is considered one of the best SMGs and defenders' weapons) because of its extreme fire rate, this game is all about fire rate since a single shot can kill every enemy, while AK-74 is pretty decent and no, it has a great DPS (better than many rifles in the game) and the recoil is easy if you get used to it, BB's DMR is not literally the worst DMR, it's actually better than glaz' because of the higher fire rate..