The Operator Rebalance Megathread

[twunny phaiv]

RULES: Keep it civilized please, I don't want mods locking this thread because of one person.
Be constructive when criticizing others' ideas, try to provide ample reasoning for your own. Try not to delve into unrelated topics even if they have to do with the game itself.

I will be updating this thread with the most popular ideas. Let's begin.

SAS

• Sledge
  
• Thatcher
  
• Smoke:
  -Fix smoke propogation
  
• Mute

FBI SWAT

• Thermite
  
• Ash:
  -Fix head hitbox
  
• Pulse
  
• Castle:
  -Replace UMP-45 with PDW-9
  -Implement this rework concept

GIGN

• Montagne
  
• Twitch:
  -Allow shock drones to jump
  
• Doc:
  -Buff MP5's damage to 30-32
  -Buff P90's damage to 25
  
• Rook

GSG 9

• IQ
  
• Blitz:
  -increase ADS speed
  -Revert to 3-armor 1-speed
  -Bring back 5th flash
  -Give P12 a Red Dot sight, seen below:
  https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2083610613
  
• Jager:
  -Remove one ADS
  -Revert speed nerf
  
• Bandit

Spetznaz

• Fuze:
  -Buff to 2-speed/2-armor
  -Allow throwing of Cluster Charges(?)
  
• Glaz:
  -Allow Angled/Vertical grips on OTS-03
  -Revert Phantom Sight "rework"
  -3-armor, 1-speed
  
• Kapkan
  
• Tachanka

JTF2

• Buck
  
• Frost

Navy SEAL

• Blackbeard:
  GROUND-UP REWORK
  -Remove rifle shields
  -Add 2 throwable shields that automatically assemble, with bulletproof/semi bulletproof glass
  
• Valkyrie:
  -Give Black Eyes the throwing mechanics of a Nitro Cell

BOPE

• Capitao
  
• Caveira

SAT

• Hibana:
  -Allow choosing between 2, 4, and 6 pellets per shot; X-Kairos launcher now draws from an ammo pool of 18 instead of 3 total shots
  
• Echo

GEO

• Jackal
  
• Mira

GROM

• Zofia:
  -Remove Withstand
  
• Ela:
  -Remove DBNO Grzmot mine ability

SDU

• Ying
  
• Lesion

707th SMB

• Dokkabei
  
• Vigil

CRBN

• Lion
  
• Finka:
  -Spear .308 Angled Grip
  -Lessen adrenal surge sound effect
  -Allow self-revive

GIS

• Maestro
  
• Alibi:
  -Have Prismas mirror Alibi's stance at the time of activation (i.e. crouching, leaning, etc.)

GSUTR

• Maverick:
  -Increase AR-15.50 damage to 65-70
  
• Clash

GIGR

• Nomad
  
• Kaid:
  -Partially revert TCSG12 damage nerf
  -Increase AUG A3 magazine size to 32+1, for realism

SASR

• Gridlock
  
• Mozzie:
  -Bring back Super Shorty in exchange for the Nitro Cell or 1 Pest

Jaeger Corps + Secret Service

• Nøkk:
  -3-speed
  
• Warden:
  -Replace MPX with P90
  -Allow slight smoke visibility even when moving
  -Allow resisting Zofia's concussion grenades

APCA + FES

• Amaru:
  -Allow increased versatility when it comes to indoor grapple locations, e.g. Bar on Kafe
  
• Goyo:
  -Replace TCSG12 with a different shotgun (SPAS-15?)

Nighthaven

• Kali:
  -Give her C75 the same sight as Clash's SPSMG9, seen below:
  https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2083836967
  
• Wamai
  
• Ace
  
• Aruni

REU + Unaffiliated

• Iana
  
• Oryx:
  -Replace MP5 with AUG A3
  -Have damage taken from wall-busting function as a "reverse-overheal" mechanic, seen below:
  https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2080748311

Inkaba Task Force

• Melusi

ROS

• Zero

[catharsis]

Imbir777 eredeti hozzászólása:

okay simple thing give him an acog lol

2 speed with MP5 ACOG? No thanks.

[catharsis]

Imbir777 eredeti hozzászólása:

circle. eredeti hozzászólása:

2 speed with MP5 ACOG? No thanks.

typical ubisoft worker lol

So because I know how unbalanced that would be, I am a "typical ubisoft worker"? Thanks for letting me know that you can only respond with insults instead of factual arguments.

[SirPotato]

Watanabe♌ eredeti hozzászólása:

SE7EN eredeti hozzászólása:

mate nokk smg is a pistol infact there is a g-18 inside of that thing and its a bad weapon for attacker if you ask me
didnt know val already has shield im sry but still c4 is too much for her many val players will place a c4 below a window or door and when u come in they see u on their cams and kill you which is frustraiting
as for vigil he is too much, he is just too good smg doesnt have a recoil and even with angled grip its too OverPowered
again for castle its a g-18 inside that fmg-9 and fbi mostly uses glock based pistols
+this game has nothing to do with real stuff see oryx for example or ela or lesion ....
mp-5 without acog is garbage as oryx you should suprise attackers or u gonna die no matter what
and again kaid is underpowered thats my opinion he need a buff or at least an acog on his smg
btw do a research before giving facts kaid aug a3 is infact a smg ....

1. That doesn't matter, if it is a pistol built-in or not. As long as it can kill people, even in real life, it is a weapon, and each operator is provided with a different weapon.
   
   I've asked you for elaboration, but you've dodged it without any reason. In case you can't provide the elaboration, I can't take you seriously, just as I've already mentioned before.
   
   
2. There is quite a lot of operators with C4, I gotta admit, and I don't understand it at all. Mute has one, Pulse has one (I think, pulse shouldn't have any, as he has a portable Cardiac Sensor), Kapkan has one (I'd preffer Bulletproof camera to be there instead, as to provide the team with a bit of intel.), Bandit has one (I don't know why, again), Mira has one too (Why?), Mozzie has another C4 (I do understand it here), Kaid has a C4 too (I do understand it here), Warden has one C4 (Well, it's somewhat understandable), and Goyo too (I can understand it here.. Somewhat).
   
   But... The scenario, the example you have provided, is not a usual one, as people usually do use headphones, and can hear the C4 buzzling there. That's the enough of attention for you to change your route to the bombsite, or to take out the C4.
   Anyways, there's IQ there too. I'll let this one slide.
   
   
3. Vigil ain't as good as you're claiming.
   His K1A is almost having no recoil, if you crouch while shooting, but you must take the vertical grip of it to be accurate, otherwise you'll be missing the few so important bullets, that'll help you to take an enemy faster, and lose his hit points faster.
   
   Anyway, thanks for making it clear, you meant just the K1A, and not BOSG. He's not OP by any means, I can assure you of that.
   
   
4. F.B.I., indeed, is quite famous of using such weapons, but almost none of the operators, if anyone, have access to it. UMP45 fits Castle much better. However, you can't just add FMG-9, as if it'd be a small deal. Making such balancement adjustments is a big deal.
   If anything, I'd be up for adding this weapon as a third choice, a third primary for Castle exclusively. That's all I can agree on, while we're at it, but nothing else. If he shall be to receive FMG-9, then his barricades shall stay the same.
   
   
5. MP5, even without ACOG, isn't garbage. What you're desciribing are your own personal thoughts, however, as you can see, quite a lot of players do play well even with the available sights - Holographic, Red Dot (Mars), and Reflex sights.
   
   There's a reason, why Doctor and Rook are the only defenders, who're having access to the ACOG scopes with their MP5 sub-machineguns, and the reason is, they're armoured slowpokes.
   If you were to give Oryx the access towards ACOG scope, then he shall be turned into armoured one too (3x armor, 1x speed. Therefore 3x1.). There's no way, absolutely no way, you can give access to ACOG scope to Oryx. No way.
   
   
6. He doesn't need ACOG scope to his AUG A3. He doesn't need it.

I admit, I may have gotten carried away, but you haven't done nothing productive, nothing what I've asked you about too.

Actually, MP5 has proved to be one of the worst SMGs in the whole without the ACOG, it has almost the same stats as the MPX (which is a bad smg) and even then it has higher recoil than MPX, Oryx does indeed need a better weapon such as Kaid's AUG or Vigil's K1A.

[♂ keikaekay ♂]

twunny phaiv eredeti hozzászólása:

Imbir777 eredeti hozzászólása:

what are you joking at this point? this is the best weapon for spawnpeeks, low recoil, far range, good damage and firerate

1. best weapon for spawnpeeks BECAUSE OF THE ACOG. That is literally the only reason people play Doc and Rook, for the ACOG.
2. every other SMG besides the Scorpion and P90 have nonexistent recoil.
3. Rogue-9's damage spreadsheet isn't loading but I bet the MP5 has a perfectly underwhelming falloff curve.
4. it has one of the lowest damage outputs of any SMG.
5. so does almost every other SMG.

Here's the Rogue-9 spreadsheet just in case you need it.

Rogue-9 Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QF72f4Bm7PfbWeSWbl8R8uL0mOzXpG_1vOjqEjXcFGk/edit#gid=0

As you can see here the MP5 (360 DPS) has lower initial DPS output than both the MP5K (400 DPS) and the MP5SD (400 DPS).

[Laati]

Honestly. It makes more sense for WARDEN to have the FMG-9.

Since it fits more with his job as secret service. Because the gun is easier to hide in.. say a briefcase.

In fact, the FMG-9 was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SECRET SERVICE.

Personally I think that Nokk either needs a unique weapon of her own, or maybe an edited version of an old gun.

How about Buck's AR, the C8-SFW. That's actually a rifle used by the Jeager Corps... according to Wikipedia.

Remove the underbarrel shotgun, add the ability to have a vertical/angled grip from it and viola!

A new gun for Nokk.

[dmcdan]

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly. It makes more sense for WARDEN to have the FMG-9.

Since it fits more with his job as secret service. Because the gun is easier to hide in.. say a briefcase.

In fact, the FMG-9 was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SECRET SERVICE.

Personally I think that Nokk either needs a unique weapon of her own, or maybe an edited version of an old gun.

How about Buck's AR, the C8-SFW. That's actually a rifle used by the Jeager Corps... according to Wikipedia.

Remove the underbarrel shotgun, add the ability to have a vertical/angled grip from it and viola!

A new gun for Nokk.

Warden should have the P-90 SMG and the P229 Pistol instead of the MPX and p10-C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service#Current_weapons

The real Secret-service use the sig sauger P229 sidearm, and the P90. It'd make sense balance wise, and real life wise, wouldn't it?

[twunny phaiv]

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly. It makes more sense for WARDEN to have the FMG-9.

Since it fits more with his job as secret service. Because the gun is easier to hide in.. say a briefcase.

In fact, the FMG-9 was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SECRET SERVICE.

Personally I think that Nokk either needs a unique weapon of her own, or maybe an edited version of an old gun.

How about Buck's AR, the C8-SFW. That's actually a rifle used by the Jeager Corps... according to Wikipedia.

Remove the underbarrel shotgun, add the ability to have a vertical/angled grip from it and viola!

A new gun for Nokk.

Nokk with C8 would actually be INSANELY strong, especially with a vertical/angled grip. No thanks...

[♂ keikaekay ♂]

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly. It makes more sense for WARDEN to have the FMG-9.

Since it fits more with his job as secret service. Because the gun is easier to hide in.. say a briefcase.

In fact, the FMG-9 was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SECRET SERVICE.

Personally I think that Nokk either needs a unique weapon of her own, or maybe an edited version of an old gun.

How about Buck's AR, the C8-SFW. That's actually a rifle used by the Jeager Corps... according to Wikipedia.

Remove the underbarrel shotgun, add the ability to have a vertical/angled grip from it and viola!

A new gun for Nokk.

Back when the leaks were released everyone thought Warden was going to get the FMG-9 or P90 for Secret Service equipment even though the FMG-9 was only an prototype that never found success. Would've been cool if they had the folding animation you would see in Battlefield Hardline and CoD MW3.

#P90WARDEN

As for Nokk the C8 SFW made more sense for her since it's issued by the Danish forces and she has 5.56 mags on her rig, but has no access to rifles. They even had to buff the FMG-9 just to make her more effective with suppressor when the MP5SD also existed.

[♂ keikaekay ♂]

dmcdan eredeti hozzászólása:

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly. It makes more sense for WARDEN to have the FMG-9.

Since it fits more with his job as secret service. Because the gun is easier to hide in.. say a briefcase.

In fact, the FMG-9 was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SECRET SERVICE.

Personally I think that Nokk either needs a unique weapon of her own, or maybe an edited version of an old gun.

How about Buck's AR, the C8-SFW. That's actually a rifle used by the Jeager Corps... according to Wikipedia.

Remove the underbarrel shotgun, add the ability to have a vertical/angled grip from it and viola!

A new gun for Nokk.

Warden should have the P-90 SMG and the P229 Pistol instead of the MPX and p10-C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service#Current_weapons

The real Secret-service use the sig sauger P229 sidearm, and the P90. It'd make sense balance wise, and real life wise, wouldn't it?

Well the devs do little to no research on real life CTUs (look at Nighthaven) and use airsoft guns like Zofia's LMG-E for example back when they were still adding new weapons. Realism and historical accuracy is not their best suite.

Some people even pointed out all these inaccuracies in this reddit post long ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/7hgxk7/weapons_of_r6siege/

Maybe it would be different if the original Rainbow Six devs from Red Storm was still around, but they're now working on Ground Branch.

[John Doe]

Imbir777 eredeti hozzászólása:

circle. eredeti hozzászólása:

2 speed with MP5 ACOG? No thanks.

typical ubisoft worker lol

Do you even know what you're talking about? I played this game with couple people from Ubi, happened to come across them on a random game. They consistently picked Jager with ACOG and got some impressive headshots as well.

The reason why some things in this game are the way they are is community backslash and Ubi not understanding how to balance the title accordingly for their life.

If they did, they wouldn't have buffed and then nerfed the Beard shield so much, and that's just one of the very many examples of this.

[SirSlapAlot]

If they do end up giving oryx an ACOG on his MP5, i would very enjoy spawnrushing with it.
Nokk with the C8 would be pretty broken and there's a good chance that people who choose twitch for her gun would switch over and main nokk

[Laati]

SirSlapAlot eredeti hozzászólása:

If they do end up giving oryx an ACOG on his MP5, i would very enjoy spawnrushing with it.
Nokk with the C8 would be pretty broken and there's a good chance that people who choose twitch for her gun would switch over and main nokk

Hmm.. what about Thatcher's AR33?

That's also a rifle used by the Jeager Corps.

Remove the ACOG from it.. because Ubisoft and it should be balanced..ish?

[♂ keikaekay ♂]

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

SirSlapAlot eredeti hozzászólása:

If they do end up giving oryx an ACOG on his MP5, i would very enjoy spawnrushing with it.
Nokk with the C8 would be pretty broken and there's a good chance that people who choose twitch for her gun would switch over and main nokk

Hmm.. what about Thatcher's AR33?

That's also a rifle used by the Jeager Corps.

Remove the ACOG from it.. because Ubisoft and it should be balanced..ish?

Seems more fitting for the Thailand operator that we'll get eventually for Y5S4. Although the Jaeger Corps used an variant of the HK33 which is the shorter HK53, essentially the same rifle with the collapsible stock from the MP5. Doubt the devs would go throught the trouble of modifying the AR33 gun model to create this variant, but it'll fit Nokk well not making it too strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcGhhCysxEU

Still though the best guns so far to fit the authenticity of using standard issue weapons is the MP5SD, C8 SFW, and AR33 for our creepy Danish woman. Also makes it easier to identify operator by simply listening to their guns since they're all unique to their CTU.

Left out the C7E since it would be too strong, but the model in Siege that Jackal uses is meant for the Dutch military requirements. The Spanish are issued with G36 rifles instead which would make sense if Iana and Jackal switched weapons, but the C7E is already one of the top tier AR paired with an broken gadget.

Besides they don't do research and historical accuracy for the CTU they make. Think about it, for the next operator we're getting is an South African with Chinese weaponry. Doesn't look right like having US Navy SEAL running with AK47 or Russians with an L85 when you picture special forces.

[Laati]

LMAO ZeDong eredeti hozzászólása:

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

Hmm.. what about Thatcher's AR33?

That's also a rifle used by the Jeager Corps.

Remove the ACOG from it.. because Ubisoft and it should be balanced..ish?

Seems more fitting for the Thailand operator that we'll get eventually for Y5S4. Although the Jaeger Corps used an variant of the HK33 which is the shorter HK53, essentially the same rifle with the collapsible stock from the MP5. Doubt the devs would go throught the trouble of modifying the AR33 gun model to create this variant, but it'll fit Nokk well not making it too strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcGhhCysxEU

Still though the best guns so far to fit the authenticity of using standard issue weapons is the MP5SD, C8 SFW, and AR33 for our creepy Danish woman. Also makes it easier to identify operator by simply listening to their guns since they're all unique to their CTU.

Left out the C7E since it would be too strong, but the model in Siege that Jackal uses is meant for the Dutch military requirements. The Spanish are issued with G36 rifles instead which would make sense if Iana and Jackal switched weapons, but the C7E is already one of the top tier AR paired with an broken gadget.

Besides they don't do research and historical accuracy for the CTU they make. Think about it, for the next operator we're getting is an South African with Chinese weaponry. Doesn't look right like having US Navy SEAL running with AK47 or Russians with an L85 when you picture special forces.

In my personal opinion.

Waiting for an IDF Operator with a Negev. Gonna play Siege like it's another game.

Also. MP5-SD would work the best for Nokk.

Also Nokk shouldn't even have the Desert Eagle or the 5.7 USG.

[twunny phaiv]

Laati eredeti hozzászólása:

Also Nokk shouldn't even have the Desert Eagle or the 5.7 USG.

"Alright balancing team, we have an ultra-sneaky stealth operator coming up, any ideas on what her loadout should be?"

"BIG BOOM BOOM HAND CANNON LMAO"