P2W game..

[Just Terrible Gameplay]

Buy the skins that make you more camouflaged with your environment easy win

Edit - Marked this as the answer to the post to show what i'm on about as it clearly shows the advantage of certain skins

[Wiesell]

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which skins? tell me

● Outbreak Collection
● Wind bastion Bundle
● Blood orchid Bundle
● Twitch & Valkyrie Elite
● Ember Rise bundle
● Seared Flats bundle
● Satellite bundle
● Wanderer Bundle
● Desolate Bundle

Here you go, all the skins banned from pro league because of how hard they are to spot/ they change the gadget to be harder to spot...
EDIT:
Or in case of Outbreak collection, make the operators hard to distinguish from each other

Low or high or ultra texture settings? Because most prolick players use low for some reason even though it BARELY affects their FPS.

[twunny phaiv]

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● Outbreak Collection
● Wind bastion Bundle
● Blood orchid Bundle
● Twitch & Valkyrie Elite
● Ember Rise bundle
● Seared Flats bundle
● Satellite bundle
● Wanderer Bundle
● Desolate Bundle

Here you go, all the skins banned from pro league because of how hard they are to spot/ they change the gadget to be harder to spot...
EDIT:
Or in case of Outbreak collection, make the operators hard to distinguish from each other

Low or high or ultra texture settings? Because most prolick players use low for some reason even though it BARELY affects their FPS.

Or

Y'know

They could let us disable cosmetics client-side so that anybody can play at the graphics settings most beneficial for them without being screwed over by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ skins, that would be neat I think

[Mewo]

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● Outbreak Collection
● Wind bastion Bundle
● Blood orchid Bundle
● Twitch & Valkyrie Elite
● Ember Rise bundle
● Seared Flats bundle
● Satellite bundle
● Wanderer Bundle
● Desolate Bundle

Here you go, all the skins banned from pro league because of how hard they are to spot/ they change the gadget to be harder to spot...
EDIT:
Or in case of Outbreak collection, make the operators hard to distinguish from each other

Low or high or ultra texture settings? Because most prolick players use low for some reason even though it BARELY affects their FPS.

As far as I know settings don't affect it too much, it's mostly about map design. Villa is a great example of a map where Ember Rise skins make the player blend it extremly well with the walls. Some other maps with a lot of yellowish/brownish walls also apply.
And also please don't bring this down to pro league, this is an issue that affects everyone, I just listed all the skins that are acknowledged by the game devs to be advantageous.

[kristolf]

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Keep in mind that Ember Rise for example is now unavailable in the store, meaning if you didn't get it when it was available, you don't have that advantage unless you get lucky with an Alpha Pack. Debate semantics over whether or not it's technically "pay to win" all you want, but it IS an unfair advantage.

Also, your definition of what "pay to win" means is stupid. You're saying that:

Well of course they don't! A $100 gun upgrade that doubles your rate of fire doesn't do that either, but it still gives you a pay to win advantage. Camouflage does the exact same thing. What you're trying to argue is completely pointless.

Weell, whatever.
It's not like I've had any hope left for OP.

If the camouflages do really bother you.. The best you can do is to get used to them, change shadows, texture qualities, and the other stuff alike, so you'll notice them sooner, etc.
I don't have to mention the softwares, where you can change the colors by your choice, making green, possibly, look like a red color, and so on, or do I?
As long as you can use the graphic softwares without any punishment, I wouldn't call that an advantage.. But, suit yourself, I guess?

Even if arguing was pointless.. At least, I've decided to give it a try.

maybe you should stop sucking corp ♥♥♥♥,ubi isn't your friend so you defend them,the game has P2W elements in the camo skins that make it hard to spot players and recognise them,players shouldn't be forced to use external software so they can see other play models clearly,and we shouldn't have to adapt to 300 different camos for the same operator,if ubi is serious about this game being competitive and a long lived esport they need to stop with all the anti comp ♥♥♥♥ and fix their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game,and visibility issues due to skins is one they need to solve.
also just because something is bought with renown doesn't mean it isn't P2W,you can buy season passes and renown boosters to get it faster,and you can buy all skins with r6 credits

[Shiro♌]

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Weell, whatever.
It's not like I've had any hope left for OP.

If the camouflages do really bother you.. The best you can do is to get used to them, change shadows, texture qualities, and the other stuff alike, so you'll notice them sooner, etc.
I don't have to mention the softwares, where you can change the colors by your choice, making green, possibly, look like a red color, and so on, or do I?
As long as you can use the graphic softwares without any punishment, I wouldn't call that an advantage.. But, suit yourself, I guess?

Even if arguing was pointless.. At least, I've decided to give it a try.

maybe you should stop sucking corp ♥♥♥♥,ubi isn't your friend so you defend them,the game has P2W elements in the camo skins that make it hard to spot players and recognise them,players shouldn't be forced to use external software so they can see other play models clearly,and we shouldn't have to adapt to 300 different camos for the same operator,if ubi is serious about this game being competitive and a long lived esport they need to stop with all the anti comp ♥♥♥♥ and fix their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game,and visibility issues due to skins is one they need to solve.
also just because something is bought with renown doesn't mean it isn't P2W,you can buy season passes and renown boosters to get it faster,and you can buy all skins with r6 credits

The only answer I have to this wall of text, containing a lot of the Ubisoft's decisions and changes, affecting the Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege™, is that I've already told you enough.

Nobody forces you to pay, yet you've made your mind and had to mention R6 Credits, even though, I have told here, that you can use renowns instead.
The required time to obtain renowns may be higher, but you don't really have to work for that - As I suppose, we play games, because we enjoy them, ain't that right? Whereas, we work to obtain money, so we can buy the necessarities, sometimes even the bonus, the luxury, so we can feel and try something new, as it may be pleasant afterwards, but who knows?

I don't care about ESL, as just the choice to call it Electronic Sports League, key word, being here, Sports, makes me wanna just punch myself at my head.
Okay, you do use your brain, but that's it. You don't really use the muscles in your legs, arms, (...), as the effort to click on the mouse is .. minimum. I can't call it ESL, but EL only, and the only way I do call it ESL is because people wouldn't understand, what I want to say with just the EL. We could say, I'm making a small effort, a minimum effort, to minimize the misunderstandings, saving me a lot of time in the result, making it worth it.

So, in TL;DR..

It's not P2W, as long as you don't have or are forced to pay. That's my opinion.
If you don't wish to agree with me, suit yourself, I'm not gonna try to change your decision.

[SoULLeSs]

Escrito originalmente por Watanabe♌:

Escrito originalmente por kristolf:

maybe you should stop sucking corp ♥♥♥♥,ubi isn't your friend so you defend them,the game has P2W elements in the camo skins that make it hard to spot players and recognise them,players shouldn't be forced to use external software so they can see other play models clearly,and we shouldn't have to adapt to 300 different camos for the same operator,if ubi is serious about this game being competitive and a long lived esport they need to stop with all the anti comp ♥♥♥♥ and fix their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game,and visibility issues due to skins is one they need to solve.
also just because something is bought with renown doesn't mean it isn't P2W,you can buy season passes and renown boosters to get it faster,and you can buy all skins with r6 credits

The only answer I have to this wall of text, containing a lot of the Ubisoft's decisions and changes, affecting the Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege™, is that I've already told you enough.

Nobody forces you to pay, yet you've made your mind and had to mention R6 Credits, even though, I have told here, that you can use renowns instead.
The required time to obtain renowns may be higher, but you don't really have to work for that - As I suppose, we play games, because we enjoy them, ain't that right? Whereas, we work to obtain money, so we can buy the necessarities, sometimes even the bonus, the luxury, so we can feel and try something new, as it may be pleasant afterwards, but who knows?

I don't care about ESL, as just the choice to call it Electronic Sports League, key word, being here, Sports, makes me wanna just punch myself at my head.
Okay, you do use your brain, but that's it. You don't really use the muscles in your legs, arms, (...), as the effort to click on the mouse is .. minimum. I can't call it ESL, but EL only, and the only way I do call it ESL is because people wouldn't understand, what I want to say with just the EL. We could say, I'm making a small effort, a minimum effort, to minimize the misunderstandings, saving me a lot of time in the result, making it worth it.

So, in TL;DR..

It's not P2W, as long as you don't have or are forced to pay. That's my opinion.
If you don't wish to agree with me, suit yourself, I'm not gonna try to change your decision.

Game is definitly not p2w. You can praticly get anything with renown (which can be obtained by just playing the game) almost anything, except elite skins, few skins or bundles, but none gives any kind of obvious advantage against another. Sure the cost of some skins can be a bit high, but the grind can be something healthy and an objective you can set for yourself, or else you would get bored of the game way fast after unlocking all ops and the skins you want, believe me, after 2k hours it's kinda hard to mantain the same desire of playing the game like in the beginning or middle, but I consider myself a person that quickly gets bored of a game and 2k for this game is quite a lot, so that can give an idea how this game is replayable (thanks to the destruction model of the maps and new content that is delivered from season to season)

[twunny phaiv]

Escrito originalmente por Watanabe♌:

Escrito originalmente por kristolf:

maybe you should stop sucking corp ♥♥♥♥,ubi isn't your friend so you defend them,the game has P2W elements in the camo skins that make it hard to spot players and recognise them,players shouldn't be forced to use external software so they can see other play models clearly,and we shouldn't have to adapt to 300 different camos for the same operator,if ubi is serious about this game being competitive and a long lived esport they need to stop with all the anti comp ♥♥♥♥ and fix their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game,and visibility issues due to skins is one they need to solve.
also just because something is bought with renown doesn't mean it isn't P2W,you can buy season passes and renown boosters to get it faster,and you can buy all skins with r6 credits

The only answer I have to this wall of text, containing a lot of the Ubisoft's decisions and changes, affecting the Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege™, is that I've already told you enough.

Nobody forces you to pay, yet you've made your mind and had to mention R6 Credits, even though, I have told here, that you can use renowns instead.
The required time to obtain renowns may be higher, but you don't really have to work for that - As I suppose, we play games, because we enjoy them, ain't that right? Whereas, we work to obtain money, so we can buy the necessarities, sometimes even the bonus, the luxury, so we can feel and try something new, as it may be pleasant afterwards, but who knows?

I don't care about ESL, as just the choice to call it Electronic Sports League, key word, being here, Sports, makes me wanna just punch myself at my head.
Okay, you do use your brain, but that's it. You don't really use the muscles in your legs, arms, (...), as the effort to click on the mouse is .. minimum. I can't call it ESL, but EL only, and the only way I do call it ESL is because people wouldn't understand, what I want to say with just the EL. We could say, I'm making a small effort, a minimum effort, to minimize the misunderstandings, saving me a lot of time in the result, making it worth it.

So, in TL;DR..

It's not P2W, as long as you don't have or are forced to pay. That's my opinion.
If you don't wish to agree with me, suit yourself, I'm not gonna try to change your decision.

You seem to have conveniently ignored my post where I mentioned that these skins are limited, and if you missed them when they were in the store, you don't have access to that advantage. Stop trying to defend advantageous skins dude, they're stupid and unfair.

Also if you ask me, any kind of harsh gameplay grind to gain an advantage is STILL stupid, especially in this kind of game. This is a game about skill, not about who grinds for the better gear. That's why they removed the function to buy attachments with renown.

[Jearvin]

imagine buying a dark set to hide in shadows and dark parts of a map

[vengence]

Look at elite ash skin it actually makes her easier to detect

[twunny phaiv]

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Look at elite ash skin it actually makes her easier to detect

the cosmetics that make people easier to spot do not negate the ones that make them harder to spot.

[Tomasz12345678]

10k reown for skins that people never buy because the camo 95/100 times makes them stick out more rather than blend in? are those the ones we talking about? where indoors do these skins make the lads harder to see? a camo skin surrounded with non camo surroundings not to mention the whole player

[twunny phaiv]

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10k reown for skins that people never buy because the camo 95/100 times makes them stick out more rather than blend in? are those the ones we talking about? where indoors do these skins make the lads harder to see? a camo skin surrounded with non camo surroundings not to mention the whole player

Ember Rise really... doesn't make you stand out any more than any default uniforms, but it does make you practically invisible on a good number of maps and areas. Quit your BS.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Learn to Play.
Game offers no P2W.

[Mewo]

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Learn to Play.
Game offers no P2W.

ESL literally had to ban cosmetics because they gave an advantage...
Is the advantage huge? Depends on the map, but to say they offer none is just wrong.

[twunny phaiv]

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Learn to Play.
Game offers no P2W.

ESL literally had to ban cosmetics because they gave an advantage...
Is the advantage huge? Depends on the map, but to say they offer none is just wrong.

well you see, pro players are obviously terrible at the game, and just need to "learn to play" right?