Thoughts on the C7E being removed from Jackal and onto a 3 armor operator?

[StickNardoragon]

The C7E seems to be considerably too powerful, it has minimal recoil and spread, and the damage and fire rate are super high. I'd argue it's in the same boat as the R4C.

What if Jackal was restricted to just the PDW and the shotgun as his primaries, and the C7E was given to a slower, more vulnerable operator?

EDIT: This is not some kind of "crying post", it's based from a suggestion and short debate I had with a few friends. I understand the sole purpose of the C7E is to dispatch roamers quickly and efficiently, but because of that, it means he's powerful against everyone, similar to Ubisoft's poor design with Ela's original concept where she was designed to be able to fight multiple people at once, which therefore meant she was overpowered in all forms of combat (back in Blood Orchid).

[Demon Dog]

its supposed to be powerful because most roamers have very good guns and he needs to be able to beat them

[pizza enjoyer]

he isn t too op but balanced

[StickNardoragon]

Originally posted by NO NAME:

he isn t too op but balanced :lunar2019piginablanket:

He's on the brink of being considered overpowered. He has an extremely good ability with a very good rifle.

[Tramp]

If you ever feel like an operator is OP, just look at the win/loss meta. If it's not clearly on the win side, it's maybe just because your playstyle has a weakness against a certain operator.

[StickNardoragon]

Originally posted by Tramp:

If you ever feel like an operator is OP, just look at the win/loss meta. If it's not clearly on the win side, it's maybe just because your playstyle has a weakness against a certain operator.

I never said I had any win/loss issues against the operator...

[Uncle Sam]

Originally posted by ๖Rev The Dragon:

Originally posted by NO NAME:

he isn t too op but balanced

He's on the brink of being considered overpowered. He has an extremely good ability with a very good rifle.

Stat wise he isn't on the OP side, and he's underpicked generally outside of big maps & the full "cancer meta" combo of Dokkaebi , Lion, Blitz and him.
You can't give him a water gun to deal with roamers, he's supposed to be The roamer hunter (besides that Caveira silent step makes his gadget useless basically).

[Uncle Sam]

Removing the C7E from Jackal would be like removing the MP7 or the 416-C from the german roamers.

[cameron]

hahaha "hurr durr lets remove jackals gun because I can't roam" hahahaha

[Uncle Sam]

If you got problems with Jackal, you can deal with him using each ping as a bait for a crossfire with one of your teammates, leading him to choke points where your team got the advantage, lead him to room with traps, etc.

[StickNardoragon]

Originally posted by Mr.Foster(Wolf):

Removing the C7E from Jackal would be like removing the MP7 or the 416-C from the german roamers.

No, because they have only one other option, Jackal has three. His SMG is never used because the C7E is easily the superior weapon. I like to play the PDW for fun, though.

Originally posted by Activ:

hahaha "hurr durr lets remove jackals gun because I can't roam" hahahaha

This isn't anything to do with how I play against him. It was a mere suggestion which came from a debate in my discord server. But you can be toxic if you want.

[Uncle Sam]

Also stat wise, the best attacker assault rifle is the Ak-12 from Fuze, it's on the top 5 of dps & also it got the less dmg drop off of all assault rifles. But he isn't used due being 3 armor and his gadget not that useful at all.

[Uncle Sam]

Originally posted by ๖Rev The Dragon:

Originally posted by Mr.Foster(Wolf):

Removing the C7E from Jackal would be like removing the MP7 or the 416-C from the german roamers.

No, because they have only one other option, Jackal has three. His SMG is never used because the C7E is easily the superior weapon. I like to play the PDW for fun, though.

Their other option is a shotgun that's effective up to 7-9m (the German shotgun M870). His SMG it's the weapon with the least dmg drop off in all the game once again, and hasn't been fixed, also it got a really easy to control vertical recoil.
Edit: Basically the 0 dmg drop off bug from Blood Orchid is back to Jackal SMG once again.

[Uncle Sam]

If we're looking at removing weapons why then we don't remove the MP7, the MX4 Strom, the 416-C, the Ak-12, the R4-C, the F2, Type 89, K1A, MP5, T-5 SMG, ALDA 5.56, etc. aka all the strong weapons in the game.

[Uncle Sam]

The other "water weapons" in game, despite their low RoF or low dps or dmg per bullet, got barely any kind of recoil post the Grim Sky recoil update.

[Uncle Sam]

The others operators with 3 weapons options are: Rook, Doc, IQ, Finka, Twitch, Lion, Fuze, Thatcher. Should we also remove their strongest dps wise weapons from them?