The Jager nerf doesn't go far enough

[Razin_Shah]

The minor change in damage will make it so 3 armor operators take 1 extra bullet before dying. Well guess what? There are only 3 of those on attack and are hardly vital picks in ranked. We know why Jager's pickrate is sky high and it's not his gadget.

It's his assault rifle which Ubisoft have revealed to be the best performing gun on defence. So they know what the problem is. Stop with this pathetic insignificant tweaks and go all the way. Dropping 5 damage on the gun won't do anything to his pick rate and he will still be strong

Go all the way Ubisoft. I am tired of seeing Jager in every game I play
(often played by the same person every round)

[Harry Gumdropzap]

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NocturnalCanadian の投稿を引用：

I don't honestly think he needs nerf. I have never sat down and thought to myself, "Wow, I really wish Jager would get nerfed, he's just so strong in every way, and he is so frustrating to play against."

Good thing nerfs are not based on how you feel then. We are looking at stats boy.

actually emotion does play a part in balancing operators
look at jackal, you could counter him but he just isnt fun to play against, so ubisoft nerfed him

i think jager is fine, he isnt frustrating to play against and doesnt really feel op, even if the win delta says otherwise

[Razin_Shah]

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Tengku_Razin の投稿を引用：

Good thing nerfs are not based on how you feel then. We are looking at stats boy.

actually emotion does play a part in balancing operators
look at jackal, you could counter him but he just isnt fun to play against, so ubisoft nerfed him

i think jager is fine, he isnt frustrating to play against and doesnt really feel op, even if the win delta says otherwise

Says you. When a Jager strafes into view and start crouch/lean spam and only have to aim for body shots (because of the high dps) and you have to get a headshot or else you lose that gunfight is plenty frustrating to me and that is pretty much the meta at the higher ranks where again, Jager has over 90+ percent pickrate.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

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Harry Gumdropzap の投稿を引用：

actually emotion does play a part in balancing operators
look at jackal, you could counter him but he just isnt fun to play against, so ubisoft nerfed him

i think jager is fine, he isnt frustrating to play against and doesnt really feel op, even if the win delta says otherwise

Says you. When a Jager strafes into view and start crouch/lean spam and only have to aim for body shots (because of the high dps) and you have to get a headshot or else you lose that gunfight is plenty frustrating to me and that is pretty much the meta at the higher ranks.

crouch/lean spam was fixed a while ago

[NIKFS]

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NIK_F_S の投稿を引用：

id still choose him with the ump45 (hell id use him if he had caveiras smg....), and alot of other people would do so too given that otherwise youre at the mercy of grenades....

yes his gun is strong, no doubt about that; but if ubisoft wants to get his pickrate lower they would need to buff wamais gadget, not nerf jägers gun (or nerf his gadget i guess, but i think buffing wamai would be better)

you are the exception not the rule. I solo queue a lot and mainly just play Ranked above Plat 3 and people aren't these selfless team players that play Jager solely for his utility. In fact, it's hard enough to get people to pick Thermite or Thatcher. Yet somehow there is always a selfless player willing to play Jager to help the team huh.

Stop lying. If Utility is so important, Dokkaebi's pickrate would be through the roof but it's not.

funny then how people even in casual request him if noone chose him, must be regional difference then, and dokkas utility is different, its VERY useful when done well but not so much when inexperienced, jägers gadget is fire and forget, place it and it does its job

so stop accusing me of lying and grow up a bit, not everyone who disagrees with you is lying :3

[Razin_Shah]

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Tengku_Razin の投稿を引用：

you are the exception not the rule. I solo queue a lot and mainly just play Ranked above Plat 3 and people aren't these selfless team players that play Jager solely for his utility. In fact, it's hard enough to get people to pick Thermite or Thatcher. Yet somehow there is always a selfless player willing to play Jager to help the team huh.

Stop lying. If Utility is so important, Dokkaebi's pickrate would be through the roof but it's not.

funny then how people even in casual request him if noone chose him, must be regional difference then, and dokkas utility is different, its VERY useful when done well but not so much when inexperienced, jägers gadget is fire and forget, place it and it does its job

so stop accusing me of lying and grow up a bit, not everyone who disagrees with you is lying :3

You can tell someone is being disingenuous when they say that Jager is picked mainly for his utility but is totally against substantial nerfs to his primary weapon. You are clearly not arguing in good faith. I'm just gonna ignore people like that including you.

[GhastlyGhostJr]

Harry Gumdropzap の投稿を引用：

Tengku_Razin の投稿を引用：

Good thing nerfs are not based on how you feel then. We are looking at stats boy.

actually emotion does play a part in balancing operators
look at jackal, you could counter him but he just isnt fun to play against, so ubisoft nerfed him

i think jager is fine, he isnt frustrating to play against and doesnt really feel op, even if the win delta says otherwise

Jager is very frustrating to play against, having your grenades deleted because he through one on the wall somewhere you cant shoot it from, having a player with basically an r4c on defense isnt fun

[NIKFS]

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NIK_F_S の投稿を引用：

funny then how people even in casual request him if noone chose him, must be regional difference then, and dokkas utility is different, its VERY useful when done well but not so much when inexperienced, jägers gadget is fire and forget, place it and it does its job

so stop accusing me of lying and grow up a bit, not everyone who disagrees with you is lying :3

You can tell someone is being disingenuous when they say that Jager is picked mainly for his utility but is totally against substantial nerfs to his primary weapon. You are clearly not arguing in good faith. I'm just gonna ignore people like that including you.

kay then, im not even saying that nerfing his gun is a problem, im saying it wont affect his pickrate (otherwise wamai would be picked much more often given his gun isnt that much worse) but you do you, live in a bubble of "only talking with people that agree with me" :3

[Kalden]

Want an opinion which matters? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3poVwire9Y 37:20 In..

[NIKFS]

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Want an opinion which matters? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3poVwire9Y 37:20 In..

so his opinion is somehow sacred because he makes money playing?
even pro players disagree on stuff since theyre not the perfect human beings either, he might rate jäger based on his gun (and his "ability to roam" which is BS since he isnt better at that than other 3 speeds, unless he lowkey tells us jäger has some form of bug or exploit that makes him more quiet?) and thinks his gadget isnt too important, yet im pretty sure if i looked around enough (and cared about pro players) id find someone praising jägers gadget

[Kalden]

His opinion isnt sacred because he makes money playing, it's for the exact fact he's able TO PLAY GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE MONEY BY PLAYING.. Want other sources then which isnt by people who Fully know what the ♥♥♥♥ they are doing? Plat + MM Y4S4 So far. Jaeger's picked 90%+ Of the time with 65-70% Win chance... The only one which really even stands out. You cant change his gadget in any way because it would be too weak beside his gadget is pretty good. His gun.. Oh sorry.... GUNS... Are way too strong with him being a 3 speed. Base your sources on something worth litteraly anything instead of being so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dense Lol..

[Razin_Shah]

Kalden の投稿を引用：

His opinion isnt sacred because he makes money playing, it's for the exact fact he's able TO PLAY GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE MONEY BY PLAYING.. Want other sources then which isnt by people who Fully know what the ♥♥♥♥ they are doing? Plat + MM Y4S4 So far. Jaeger's picked 90%+ Of the time with 65-70% Win chance... The only one which really even stands out. You cant change his gadget in any way because it would be too weak beside his gadget is pretty good. His gun.. Oh sorry.... GUNS... Are way too strong with him being a 3 speed. Base your sources on something worth litteraly anything instead of being so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dense Lol..

Even when confronted will all the statistics and facts he just can't accept it. It's sad really. I guess how he "feels" is more important.

[Kalden]

To be fair, he's just made a clown out of himself.. He didnt even understand what Doki said in that video, you're pretty correct though... I mean? Come on, "his opinion is somehow sacred because he makes money playing" How do you even get to this conclusion.. It's not like he plays in the top leagues

[NIKFS]

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To be fair, he's just made a clown out of himself.. He didnt even understand what Doki said in that video, you're pretty correct though... I mean? Come on, "his opinion is somehow sacred because he makes money playing" How do you even get to this conclusion.. It's not like he plays in the top leagues

skill in playing != skill in balancing

take a racedriver, he is great at racing, and obviously better at doing so than me

but tell me how many of them would be good at designing a car? thats a different skill and while some do possess it (at least concerning designing the suspension setups for racing leaques that dont lock down specs completely) not all do

see where im getting at? but hey if you two are deadset in "hurr durr progamer says x and thus x is true" and fail to tell me why other defenders with grade a killing potential dont have 90% pickrate, or even close to it.... you do you :)

[Nomad]

Reduce his ammo count. I think he has like 10 mags worth of ammo which is more than even the LMG toting operators. You might think 10 mags isnt alot but 10 mags full of 30 rounds each is over 300 rounds which given the power of his weapon, is a lot. reducing the amount of ammo he has can force players to be more restrictive with it. I can sit on certain maps and spend about 1 to 2 mags to make vertical holes and wall holes and still have plenty to straight body dump the entire attacking team.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

Kalden の投稿を引用：

To be fair, he's just made a clown out of himself.. He didnt even understand what Doki said in that video, you're pretty correct though... I mean? Come on, "his opinion is somehow sacred because he makes money playing" How do you even get to this conclusion.. It's not like he plays in the top leagues

like NIK_F_S said, just because they are good at the game does not mean they will be good at balancing, it takes loads of statistics, feedback, and testing to put an operator in its place
listening to doki and only doki would be a sample size of 1... listening to the entire pro league would be somewhere in the hundreds, but that is still out of the tens of thousands of players who play this game