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You never had a match that you just don't feel like finishing? For whatever reason really. Think of a match where someone just trolls the entire time. You want to be forced to stick that out to the end?
As a player who plays Ranked almost exclusively, I play Casual to unwind, to not play seriously, and to try out stupid strats. If I die right away with no chance of doing anything that round, then theres no way in hell I'm gonna sit there for 3-5 minutes watching my team play. Also, if it's gonna be a map like Yacht or Plane, then I'll leave. Those maps are not fun for me, therefore I will not play on them.
Casual is not to be taken seriously. If leavers are bothering you, then just play Ranked.
Once again, why don't we separate people leaving and people staying then? Both of them can play, just in other queues.
I don't like the community in ranked. It's bad, really bad. And once again, if we separate people leaving from people staying both parties can play casual, but on their own terms.
Cause both of these spoil the fun for everyone involved.
Why troll in casual? What will it accomplish? Lost game? You don't lose anything on lost game. More trolls would happen in ranked, where someone on team might care for rank and be furious if you made them lose it. That's what trolls do, annoy you as much as they can.
Besides, if someone was really obnoxious and made me get mad I would leave, even if that meant to get a penalty.
1. Change your map preferences so you don't get Plane or Yacht.
2. If casual had low priority queue you could still play, but with people who leave too. So you could take it your own way and not spoil the fun for people who actually wanna stay.
Ranked does just that.
It's essentially the same people. There is no hard split between the modes. How can you say you like the Casual "community" better anyways, when your main gripe with Casual is members of that community constantly leaving in just about every match you get? Wouldn't that make the Casual "community" terrible?
A superficial similarity, but that isn't all that's to it as stated before.
Why troll at all? You don't want to tell me you deny such people exist and that such a system would empower them, do you? If they constantly do it in ranked they at least lose rank themselves, which keeps higher ranks relatively clear.
What you want is a new mode. Something like "Unranked" that follows ranked rules, but for peope with a Casual mindset. There is no need to just take regular Casual away from those that like it how it is. But that way you still don't guaratee that people will play and behave the way you want them to.
At least in the casual I don't get called names for not knowing how to play on diamond level of mastery while having spent about 40 hours in the game so far.
So we agree that it ruins the fun.
You've got a point there, but that's why we have a reporting system.
Yes, so if you do the low priority queue solution then you do 2 modes in some sense. First for players staying in the match and beign nice players, not toxic or troling, and second for everyone else.
Of course I'm not saying this should be a permanent, but for example the requirements to get back to normal queue would be "finish X matches without beign reported or wait Y time". That way even if people are abusing the reporting system (which should be punishable too) you still have that second option to get out of the low priority queue.
go play ranked if you dont want that to happen
the reason? casual is for fun, people can leave whenever their not having fun
in ranked thats for more serious play
if you dont want people to leave get 4 other friends
There are surely people that would do that in casual as well. In ranked you might need to sit through a bit of bs until your rank fits your experience better.
That doesn't work as quickly or severly to be a deterrent I think.
I still don't get why you think leaving is always out of malice. As it is now you can freely leave and join games. People make use of that for multiple reasons. Maybe they don't have the time to finish that particular match they left. Maybe they don't want to finish, because they don't get along with the random mates they got. Mabye they lost motivation and want to try again in another match. This freedom to say "♥♥♥♥ it" and start over can be a reason to play Casual in the first place. Most of the time you will get a replacement player that joins late anyways. Better that, than to have a frustrated mate that wont even try anymore.
It's still just a general punishment area that doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about why you left a match.
That's another game flaw that should be adressed.
It could count how many matches did you leave in past hour or two. If that's above a certain threshold then you get low priority queue.
What that does is if you have to leave because you don't have time anymore or there is some unexpected situation then you can and still be below the bar. But if you constantly leave matches, go to matchmaking and leave again and again - then you get the penalty.
It will reduce the ragequitting by some degree without punishing people who have to do it from time to time.
again go play ranked if you dont want that to happen
Having no time is just one reason people leave in the middle of a match. You wont get rid of the other reasons by adding a penalty like you describe and it wont be any more fun for you if you force people otherwise unwilling to play on, to sit things out.
You said yourself you disliked ranked because of the attitude some players there have. That is partially because these players do have to sit through entire matches no matter what. Fooling around or playing badly has a whole different feeling to it, if you can just say screw this and leave whenever you want. You can certainly expect much less tolerance for this kind of stuff in a mode where that isn't possible.
^ This
If you force people to stay in casual matches they will become just as unforgiving towards mistakes. Not because they worry about their rank, but because they feel you waste their time. What do you expect the leavers to be like if they stayed? Those are propably the same people that would "crap on you" in ranked.
When someone leaves a match they made up their mind about it. You will not change how they think or feel about this with some penalty. You just force everyone to stay and let their frustration out in the match.
That doesn't make sense. How would it be me that's wasting their time if they got themselves killed and have to wait? They wasted their own time. Any reasonable person would realize that... Why would they be toxic to me because they screwed up? They leave because they can potentially get in the action faster by joining a new match. Take that away and they will stay and probably be less careless with their tactics. They're not gonna just turn toxic and start trashing everyone because they have to wait now.
When people leave someone else has to take their place. All too often I'm joining a match that is 0-2 or 0-1 where the round just started and I have to sit out the entire time. So the options are, make the person who died have to sit and wait or have someone else fill their spot when they leave and do the waiting for them. You saying it's better that someone else sit and wait for you because you died early left?
What do leavers care about who's fault it is or how much sense that makes? You're naive as hell if you seriously believe people would act differently because of some penalty. They might not leave, but they will keep their attitude.
And this ability to have late joiners is exactly what allows this to work. The people that would turn toxic just leave instead of sticking around and spoiling the whole match, while you get a chance to get a new player.