Remove smg-12 from Vigil

[Mortius]

Vigil shouldnt be a 3 speed and have this thing whilst roaming around. It melts any attacker he comes into contact with, dont even need to headshot with the insane firerate on it, the time to kill is so low that it wouldn't matter.

Dokkabei? Ok her main weapons are kinda meh and shes 2 speed, but Vigil already has a good main weapon.

At least bring down the ammo count on it, 32 ammo on a 1270 firerate weapon?

♥♥♥♥ balance amirite

[Crow Armbrust]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Why does it even matter anyway if you lose to a vigil with smg-12 then that means you somehow suck even worse than them for compensating recoil for the smg-12

Firerate is king in this game and anyone who says otherwise is a blatant liar. A gun with a high rpm outperforms a gun with low rpm in terms of dps.

"B-b-but headshots are the fastest way to kill" sure, if you can constantly get them and in this regard high rpm weapons are still king because you have more chances of getting a headshot spraying from an smg 12 than you do with say frosts gun with 570rpm, even if you dont get headshots, the time to kill is still vastly lower.

You act like the smg 12 is some unstoppable god gun and needs to removed because it makes vigil op. The smg 12 is balanced just look at vigil on the most recent win delta.

[Mortius]

Originally posted by Shizuo Heiwajima:

Originally posted by Mortius:

Firerate is king in this game and anyone who says otherwise is a blatant liar. A gun with a high rpm outperforms a gun with low rpm in terms of dps.

"B-b-but headshots are the fastest way to kill" sure, if you can constantly get them and in this regard high rpm weapons are still king because you have more chances of getting a headshot spraying from an smg 12 than you do with say frosts gun with 570rpm, even if you dont get headshots, the time to kill is still vastly lower.

You act like the smg 12 is some unstoppable god gun and needs to removed because it makes vigil op. The smg 12 is balanced just look at vigil on the most recent win delta.

I didnt say it makes vigil OP, but it does make it likely he'll win a 1v1 against an enemy and if you're roaming thats good. His win rate isnt indicative of anything. His ability doesnt really benefit his team so much as it just benefits him. Its the reason why Jager, Doc etc are so high on the win delta, because they provide great team support.

Also its funny how I said before on here that Clash was utter garbage and everyone said I was stupid and now look, she's besides the meme lord as the worst picks. Cough not saying my opinion holds merit or anything and that this community doesnt know ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about balance.

[Chinfu1189]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Why does it even matter anyway if you lose to a vigil with smg-12 then that means you somehow suck even worse than them for compensating recoil for the smg-12

Firerate is king in this game and anyone who says otherwise is a blatant liar. A gun with a high rpm outperforms a gun with low rpm in terms of dps.

"B-b-but headshots are the fastest way to kill" sure, if you can constantly get them and in this regard high rpm weapons are still king because you have more chances of getting a headshot spraying from an smg 12 than you do with say frosts gun with 570rpm, even if you dont get headshots, the time to kill is still vastly lower.

You says firerate is king when p90 and mpx would most lose fights head on
His smg isnt as bad as it was in the past people should be happy that it isnt what it use to be as the head shot machine

[Harry Gumdropzap]

mad cuz bad

[Mortius]

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Originally posted by Mortius:

Firerate is king in this game and anyone who says otherwise is a blatant liar. A gun with a high rpm outperforms a gun with low rpm in terms of dps.

"B-b-but headshots are the fastest way to kill" sure, if you can constantly get them and in this regard high rpm weapons are still king because you have more chances of getting a headshot spraying from an smg 12 than you do with say frosts gun with 570rpm, even if you dont get headshots, the time to kill is still vastly lower.

You says firerate is king when p90 and mpx would most lose fights head on
His smg isnt as bad as it was in the past people should be happy that it isnt what it use to be as the head shot machine

In what world does p90 and mpx lose most fights? Are you smoking crack? Also theres a reason why twitchs gun remains one of the best in the game. High firerate+high damage= high dps. High dps= lower ttk. Its that simple.

[Mortius]

Originally posted by Barnacle Boy:

mad cuz bad

Out for your daily forum trolling? Mad lad

[Chinfu1189]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Barnacle Boy:

mad cuz bad

Out for your daily forum trolling? Mad lad

I dont know what your talking about you said you cant dsiable secure and hostage in a post

[Mortius]

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Originally posted by Mortius:

Out for your daily forum trolling? Mad lad

I dont know what your talking about you said you cant dsiable secure and hostage in a post

Yiiiiiikes now they are stalking my post history

[Chinfu1189]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

I dont know what your talking about you said you cant dsiable secure and hostage in a post

Yiiiiiikes now they are stalking my post history

Um i was in the fourm post and me another dude told you could but you said you couldnt lol the yikes is your memory

[Mortius]

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Originally posted by Mortius:

Yiiiiiikes now they are stalking my post history

Um i was in the fourm post and me another dude told you could but you said you couldnt lol the yikes is your memory

Irrelevant conversation is irrelevant

[Chinfu1189]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Um i was in the fourm post and me another dude told you could but you said you couldnt lol the yikes is your memory

Irrelevant conversation is irrelevant

Anime profile pic opinion is invalid

[Mortius]

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Originally posted by Mortius:

Irrelevant conversation is irrelevant

Anime profile pic opinion is invalid

Not an argument.

[Uncle Sam]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Mr.Foster(Wolf):

But their SMGs don't got as much horizontal recoil kick like the SMG-12 got.

Its not that hard to hold the mouse down. I've used the SMG-12 myself.

Hold mouse down is to compensate mostly for vertical recoil, side to side is for horizontal recoil. Anyways the mere existence of the SMG-12 in it's current state isn't a Ela scorpion evo on release day type of gun. Otherwise we should also delete Scorpion Evo, the Vector, the P90, the SMG-11, Bearing 9, F2, and basically all high rof guns from the game.

My point being you might need to learn how to hunt down a Vigil / re learn how to hunt down roamers in general. Or in case this is b8, you did a good job tbh i r8 it 6/8 m8.

[Uncle Sam]

Originally posted by Chinfu1189 Mannco.trade:

Originally posted by Mortius:

Yiiiiiikes now they are stalking my post history

Um i was in the fourm post and me another dude told you could but you said you couldnt lol the yikes is your memory

So it's the same dude from back then? Maybe this it's a b8 made by @OP due boredom or he just really hate being outgunned while smurfing.

[Crow Armbrust]

Originally posted by Mortius:

Originally posted by Shizuo Heiwajima:

You act like the smg 12 is some unstoppable god gun and needs to removed because it makes vigil op. The smg 12 is balanced just look at vigil on the most recent win delta.

I didnt say it makes vigil OP, but it does make it likely he'll win a 1v1 against an enemy and if you're roaming thats good. His win rate isnt indicative of anything. His ability doesnt really benefit his team so much as it just benefits him. Its the reason why Jager, Doc etc are so high on the win delta, because they provide great team support.

Also its funny how I said before on here that Clash was utter garbage and everyone said I was stupid and now look, she's besides the meme lord as the worst picks. Cough not saying my opinion holds merit or anything and that this community doesnt know ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about balance.

The win delta tells us at the high level vigil is perfectly balanced in every way. This includes the smg 12. It also depends when you said clash was garbage because when she first released before the nerfs she was super good. After not so much.