Please help me out by telling me what is the best possible mouse to help win at games like this?

[Dragon]

I realized that my current mouse has garbage tracking and is completely unviable for a game like this.

I want to know what is the best mouse I can possibly buy to give me the best possible tracking to help win at games like this.

But I don't want a wireless mouse unless it either uses an AA battery, or has user-replaceable batteries that are easy to buy. I notice some expensive gaming mice only have lithium ion batteries of which replacements are not possible to buy. To me that is crap because then the mouse will become useless once the battery permanently dies, which is inevitable.

I also found a popular mouse reviewer on youtube, but he tends to say every mouse is great, and gives me no possible way to know which mouse is better than another, or which one is the absolute best.

I'd also be interested to know which mouse the majority of eSports pro FPS gamers use as of Fall 2019.

If you have insight on this topic, please tell me what mouse to buy and/or what sites to read/videos to watch so that I can be sure of what mouse to buy.

[Aeekto]

"Roccat Kone Aimo"
A mouse that is developed and produced with FPS in mind first.
Perfect laying in your hand, more weight for more precise movement, additional buttons on mousewheel (tip left or right.... a lot faster than any other button since your finger for left and right mousebutton are already trained).... and on top of it it looks great

[Dragon]

İlk olarak Fallen tarafından gönderildi:

4MS of a click delay to stop double clicking...and you realistically wont notice that 4ms

So my enemies with a non-Glorious O mice automatically have a 4 ms advantage over me, because their mice have no 4 ms delay but mine does. That's garbage. If Glorious wants to put that crap into their mice, then it should be an opt-in feature that needs to be turned on, and which is disabled by default.

What it should not be is a mandatory lag that is forced upon all owners of that mouse against their will. Even though that's what it currently is.

Do Logitech gaming mice also have this forced mandatory lag garbage in them? Or no?

[Harry Gumdropzap]

İlk olarak Dragon tarafından gönderildi:

So my enemies with a non-Glorious O mice automatically have a 4 ms advantage over me, because their mice have no 4 ms delay but mine does. That's garbage. If Glorious wants to put that crap into their mice, then it should be an opt-in feature that needs to be turned on, and which is disabled by default.

not true, most mice have this delay built in to prevent double clicking and the standard is 10ms
glorious just so happens to let you change this value, so if you have a glorious mouse with it set it 4ms you technically have the advantage, but in actual games you wont notice it at all, what you will pontentially notice is double clicking
if you want a mouse without this delay your gonna have to buy a cheap chinese mouse with a horrible sensor and questionable build quality

[Dragon]

İlk olarak Fallen tarafından gönderildi:

Ofcourse you are super human though and actually notice it

According to the criteria as laid out by Steam forum commenters, I must indeed be super human, because the other week I saw someone on the Steam forums (it might have been on this very board, I don't remember) say that the human eye can't see more than 30 FPS. Yet my eyes can definitely see more than 30 FPS.

[HugzOverDrugs]

g502 best mouse without a doubt,i've been through razer and all of their mouses are pure garbage haven't try steelseries but im pretty happy with my g502 and i have it 2 years now and has 0 problems.

[Dragon]

İlk olarak Barnacle Boy tarafından gönderildi:

not true, most mice have this delay built in to prevent double clicking and the standard is 10ms
glorious just so happens to let you change this value, so if you have a glorious mouse with it set it 4ms you technically have the advantage, but in actual games you wont notice it at all, what you will pontentially notice is double clicking
if you want a mouse without this delay your gonna have to buy a cheap chinese mouse with a horrible sensor and questionable build quality

How do you know that Logitech gaming mice have this delay? Where has that information been disclosed?

[HugzOverDrugs]

İlk olarak Dragon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Barnacle Boy tarafından gönderildi:

not true, most mice have this delay built in to prevent double clicking and the standard is 10ms
glorious just so happens to let you change this value, so if you have a glorious mouse with it set it 4ms you technically have the advantage, but in actual games you wont notice it at all, what you will pontentially notice is double clicking
if you want a mouse without this delay your gonna have to buy a cheap chinese mouse with a horrible sensor and questionable build quality

How do you know that Logitech gaming mice have this delay? Where has that information been disclosed?

Its true logitech has one of the best trackers in the market no doubt also i think steelseries said they made a similar one i dont remember which mouse has it tho.

[HugzOverDrugs]

İlk olarak Fallen tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak HugzOverDrugs tarafından gönderildi:

g502 best mouse without a doubt,i've been through razer and all of their mouses are pure garbage haven't try steelseries but im pretty happy with my g502 and i have it 2 years now and has 0 problems.

I wouldnt say best mouse but it is definitely very good.

Yea true also there is a wireless version now which is amazing but pretty expensive.

[Harry Gumdropzap]

İlk olarak Dragon tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Barnacle Boy tarafından gönderildi:

not true, most mice have this delay built in to prevent double clicking and the standard is 10ms
glorious just so happens to let you change this value, so if you have a glorious mouse with it set it 4ms you technically have the advantage, but in actual games you wont notice it at all, what you will pontentially notice is double clicking
if you want a mouse without this delay your gonna have to buy a cheap chinese mouse with a horrible sensor and questionable build quality

How do you know that Logitech gaming mice have this delay? Where has that information been disclosed?

logitech didnt say this information themselves because well its a standard across the industry, for gaming mice its most likely lower
also you need a delay or you will be getting serious double clicking
logitech usually has a 4ms debounce time... just like the model o
this guy tested a bunch of mice shown here[www.overclock.net]
this guy did the same thing but added the model o[www.techpowerup.com]
the reason you see negative latencies is because the guy is using the steelseries ikari as a baseline, the click delay is not actually 0 on it
the model o has a 4.1 ms click delay compared to the steelseries ikari
the g pro has a 4.5 ms click delay compared to the steelseries ikari
the zowie fk2 (used by many pro players) has a 8ms click delay compared to the steelseries ikari

if the delay was noticeable surely pro players wouldnt use the zowie fk2, it has a little bit less than 4ms delay compared to the g pro, again i doubt you can click faster than 4ms

also you do know its debounce time right? the initial click doesnt have that delay, its the amount of time when you can click again

[Dragon]

Thanks for everyone who posted in this thread trying to help me.

I ended up buying a Glorious O- mouse and also a mousepad from the same company.

I've read that DPI setting is largely based on preference. But the thing is, if a lower DPI setting than what I would naturally choose is going to give me higher accuracy in FPS games like Siege, then I can use that lower setting and learn it and become acclimated to it until it becomes my new preference.

I'm using a 4k monitor.

When I tried out various DPI settings, 1400 was the most comfortable to me and the best balance between precision and comfort (but that is based on my subjective perception of using it for general computer use and also playing singleplayer games, so from a scientific point of view, I could be wrong that 1400 is actually the best for me based on my preference).

But I've read that most pros use 800 DPI.

So my new question is, how do I know what is the best DPI setting I should use to get the best possible precision in games like Siege? ... even if I have to re-learn from scratch how to use a mouse properly at a low DPI (by low, I mean anything lower than 1300 which seems low to me, because it makes the cursor feel sluggish to me)...then I want to do that.