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Don't feed the ducks™ Sep 19, 2019 @ 9:33am
Doc and Rook are way too strong change my mind
Guns too strong with ACOG and no recoil. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lasers. Abilities easy as ♥♥♥♥ to use. Minimal effort.

I hate Doc and Rook. I hate how almost every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ team has a Doc and a Rook every time. Even in casual.

I hate how other ops are left in the dirt and these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cheese ops can be abused every time.
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Originally posted by Toastpiratewilly:
Originally posted by UbiMorning:
Originally posted by Don't feed the ducks™:
Spawn peeking is no issue for me. I just have an issue with the fact that other ops are nowhere near as good (some are not even viable at all) and require a lot more effort to play effectively. Rook puts his armour down with one button press and Doc can heal himself, friends and revive himself and others with one little poof of his stim.

The MP5 is just the best gun in the game and THREE different ops have it. I just don't think it's good balance when they are picked literally EVERY game. There's a reason for this right?

So Ubisoft either make other ops better or make these weaker.
Hey there! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on Rook and Doc. What kind of specific changes would you make to these characters? We appreciate healthy conversation on suggestions players have for character buffs or nerfs.
I think the MP5 itself is a decent weapon, but like OP I also agree it has crazy accurate ACOG recoil, normally leading to people picking them only for this fact and a large percentage of them using the operators just to spawnpeek. But with the very high amount of Doc/Rook MP5+ACOG mains out there, it's a real taboo thing to speak up against.
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Officer Dooley Sep 19, 2019 @ 9:56am 
no u
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Fighter of the Nightman Sep 19, 2019 @ 10:48am 
Rook is pretty much always going to get picked because you can get picked up.

Doc is going to get picked because he can heal/overheal.

If you shoot people in the head it doesn't matter

gitgud
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WooF Sep 19, 2019 @ 10:52am 
I feel you and i notice they always have one or the other on a team now. To me the only advantage they have is spawn peeks. If you can work around that and get inside the building theyre no different from anyone else. Only if youre good enough tho i doubt it
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.exan Sep 19, 2019 @ 11:08am 
learn to aim for the head these ops are easy to fight against, also doc has one of the most important roles imo
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Fighter of the Nightman Sep 19, 2019 @ 11:23am 
Originally posted by WooF:
I feel you and i notice they always have one or the other on a team now. To me the only advantage they have is spawn peeks. If you can work around that and get inside the building theyre no different from anyone else. Only if youre good enough tho i doubt it
There is really no reason anyone should be getting spawn peaked after the first time it happens to them.
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Martin Harris Sep 19, 2019 @ 11:28am 
drone window > prefire window > instant kill doc/rook > enemy alt + f4 > new enemy is angry because ongoing match > playing the long game > inside their head.
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gbtonzee Sep 19, 2019 @ 11:34am 
They aren't too strong, they are just a comfort pick like ash with no downsides.
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Ding Dong Sep 19, 2019 @ 12:04pm 
LMAO he is tired of roaming docs and rooks killing him right after they entered the building without droning XD
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giraffe Sep 19, 2019 @ 4:14pm 
lol the only answers you are gonna get here are from toxic kiddies who main doc/rook themselves, spawn peek and leave the game when they die
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Nepgear Sep 19, 2019 @ 5:00pm 
Echo and Maestro have better guns and better gadgets.
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twunny phaiv Sep 19, 2019 @ 6:17pm 
Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Well imean. Rooks ability is useless and Docs is good, there guns are good yes and they are 3 speed. They are some of my favorite defenders but i wouldnt call them op. A silenced pistol that kills in 2 bullets and a ability that makes you silent now thats op.
Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Umm echos guns are really bad actually
I really don't know if you're trolling or not. Echo's gun is literally a straight upgrade to Doc and Rook's (built-in suppressor + higher damage) with the only downside being a MINISCULE recoil difference. Also Doc and Rook are 3 armor not 3 speed.
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Nepgear Sep 19, 2019 @ 6:20pm 
Originally posted by twunny phaiv:
Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Well imean. Rooks ability is useless and Docs is good, there guns are good yes and they are 3 speed. They are some of my favorite defenders but i wouldnt call them op. A silenced pistol that kills in 2 bullets and a ability that makes you silent now thats op.
Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Umm echos guns are really bad actually
I really don't know if you're trolling or not. Echo's gun is literally a straight upgrade to Doc and Rook's (built-in suppressor + higher damage) with the only downside being a MINISCULE recoil difference. Also Doc and Rook are 3 armor not 3 speed.
Echo also gets angled grip and a machine pistol.
Last edited by Nepgear; Sep 19, 2019 @ 6:21pm
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Chinfu1189 Sep 19, 2019 @ 6:27pm 
Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Originally posted by 99% Crit Chance:
Echo and Maestro have better guns and better gadgets.

Umm echos guns are really bad actually
Your joking right? That's the biggest lie in the world
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Fighter of the Nightman Sep 19, 2019 @ 9:20pm 
Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Well imean. Rooks ability is useless and Docs is good, there guns are good yes and they are 3 speed. They are some of my favorite defenders but i wouldnt call them op. A silenced pistol that kills in 2 bullets and a ability that makes you silent now thats op.
Only a moron thinks rooks gadget is useless.

Originally posted by Bruce Wayne:
Originally posted by 99% Crit Chance:
Echo and Maestro have better guns and better gadgets.

Umm echos guns are really bad actually
2 dumb comments back to back. You're on a streak bra
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Fighter of the Nightman Sep 19, 2019 @ 9:21pm 
Originally posted by giraffe:
lol the only answers you are gonna get here are from toxic kiddies who main doc/rook themselves, spawn peek and leave the game when they die
You sound like someone that still gets spawn peeked regularly. Man it must suck to suck
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