Why do people with higher ping have a blatant advantage in this game? Also peeker's advantage is a huge problem

[god bless da troops]

I haven't played this game very much and I don't think I'm very good at it but one thing I have consistently noticed is how much of an advantage players with higher ping than me have. I will be holding an angle and suddenly get instakilled from someone just walking around a corner and think that they're wallhacking and then I'll watch the killcam and they had a solid second to look at me before shooting. Is the netcode in this game really that awful? This also seems to happen with just peeking in general.

[Glennard]

you dont have much knowledge on networking do you?

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Shadenfreude Geschichte:

you dont have much knowledge on networking do you?

Not sure what that is supposed to imply but I know someone with higher ping than me shouldn't have a blatant advantage.

[Shikikan]

Oprindeligt skrevet af shrub:

I haven't played this game very much and I don't think I'm very good at it but one thing I have consistently noticed is how much of an advantage players with higher ping than me have. I will be holding an angle and suddenly get instakilled from someone just walking around a corner and think that they're wallhacking and then I'll watch the killcam and they had a solid second to look at me before shooting. Is the netcode in this game really that awful?

They changed that

[RIP]

Unknowns?Say goodbye to dem

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Oprindeligt skrevet af shrub:

I haven't played this game very much and I don't think I'm very good at it but one thing I have consistently noticed is how much of an advantage players with higher ping than me have. I will be holding an angle and suddenly get instakilled from someone just walking around a corner and think that they're wallhacking and then I'll watch the killcam and they had a solid second to look at me before shooting. Is the netcode in this game really that awful?

They changed that

It happens to me often by people with almost double my ping.

[Glennard]

Oprindeligt skrevet af shrub:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shadenfreude Geschichte:

you dont have much knowledge on networking do you?

Not sure what that is supposed to imply but I know someone with worse connection than me shouldn't have a blatant advantage.

i wasnt implying anything, was simply asking if you had any networking experience. If they have a higher ping, it means it takes slightly longer for what they are doing to be transmited to the game, and then sent to the other people. this can mean, for them, they moved through a door. this took them, say, 2.5 seconds. if they had a high enough ping, it can either look like it took them longer, or less time, depending on the ping differences. (sounds weird at the end, starting going somewhere with it, then, lost my train of thought)

[god bless da troops]

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Oprindeligt skrevet af shrub:

Not sure what that is supposed to imply but I know someone with worse connection than me shouldn't have a blatant advantage.

i wasnt implying anything, was simply asking if you had any networking experience. If they have a higher ping, it means it takes slightly longer for what they are doing to be transmited to the game, and then sent to the other people. this can mean, for them, they moved through a door. this took them, say, 2.5 seconds. if they had a high enough ping, it can either look like it took them longer, or less time, depending on the ping differences. (sounds weird at the end, starting going somewhere with it, then, lost my train of thought)

Does that just mean this game is way more client side than it should be?

[Glennard]

Oprindeligt skrevet af shrub:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shadenfreude Geschichte:

i wasnt implying anything, was simply asking if you had any networking experience. If they have a higher ping, it means it takes slightly longer for what they are doing to be transmited to the game, and then sent to the other people. this can mean, for them, they moved through a door. this took them, say, 2.5 seconds. if they had a high enough ping, it can either look like it took them longer, or less time, depending on the ping differences. (sounds weird at the end, starting going somewhere with it, then, lost my train of thought)

Does that just mean this game is way more client side than it should be?

no, it means people have ♥♥♥♥ internet

[Notic3]

It is no longer an issue besides a little bit of interp, meaning they can still kill you behind walls. Peek advantage is on our side now (shouldn't be a thing at all, but it is)

[ShodaN]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yoyo:

Honestly, you just have to change your play style. The high ping advantage only happens if the attacker is a very aggressive peeker and knows exactly where you are.

To simply over write that advantage, peek first, take the initiative and move if the person knows where you are.

More often that not, the high ping advantage happens much less frequently and low ping trumps. Only a minority of players are able to play in a way that benefits from high ping.

I wrote an article about it which I believe will help you: https://steamcommunity.com/app/359550/discussions/0/1489987634018735481/

Does that excuse anything? Why is the answer always - to beat it you must become it? Being the one to peek first isn't always an option. Of course I can sit there and prestrafe all day long to reduce the advantage, but come on... is that the kind of gameplay players should settle for?

Of course this cannot be 100% solved, but whatever can be done, should be done to reduce the impact and possibilty.

[Læms]

easy they see you before u see them

[ShodaN]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yoyo:

Nah. That is part of my point. The main point, if you read my post, is that the high ping advantage is only for specific scenarios and most people won't be able to take full advantage of it. You are better off playing with a low ping as you normally would.

In fact 'becoming' them (playing at high ping) is most prolly gonna put you at a disadvantage.

I didn't mean that in terms of getting a high ping, but rather being forced into the same kind of playstyle. Of course peeking and prefiring are very important things to master, but holding angles shouldn't be made impossible by technical issues, don't you think?

Also just because most people cannot take full advantage of it, doesn't mean it's ok imo. In the end I believe players should aspire to be as good at the game as they can. Ultimately you wont get around these issues like that.

[ToXiN]

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Oprindeligt skrevet af DarTH ShodaN:

Does that excuse anything? Why is the answer always - to beat it you must become it? Being the one to peek first isn't always an option. Of course I can sit there and prestrafe all day long to reduce the advantage, but come on... is that the kind of gameplay players should settle for?

Of course this cannot be 100% solved, but whatever can be done, should be done to reduce the impact and possibilty.

Nah. That is part of my point. The main point, if you read my post, is that the high ping advantage is only for specific scenarios and most people won't be able to take full advantage of it.

More often that not, the high ping advantage happens much less frequently and low ping trumps any day. Only a minority of players are able to play in a way that benefits from high ping. This also means that deaths due to high ping advantage is not common and thus isnt much of an issue in the first place. Yes a few irritating deaths but that's about it. If the high pingers are always killing you this means that they know where you are and thus can use the advantage against you. This then means that well, you suck to begin with as you position yourself in an obvious manner.

In fact 'becoming' them (playing at high ping) is most prolly gonna put you at a disadvantage.

That's a lot of bs there.
High ping players can enter a room, look around quickly and kill you before you could even see them.
Same with corners and other similar situations.
That's it.

[god bless da troops]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yoyo:

Honestly, you just have to change your play style. The high ping advantage only happens if the attacker is a very aggressive peeker and knows exactly where you are.

To simply over write that advantage, peek first, take the initiative and move if the person knows where you are.

More often that not, the high ping advantage happens much less frequently and low ping trumps. Only a minority of players are able to play in a way that benefits from high ping.

I wrote an article about it which I believe will help you: https://steamcommunity.com/app/359550/discussions/0/1489987634018735481/

That's really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that a part of being good at the game is literally learning how to work around bad netcode and network abusement issues.

[god bless da troops]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yoyo:

Oprindeligt skrevet af DarTH ShodaN:

Does that excuse anything? Why is the answer always - to beat it you must become it? Being the one to peek first isn't always an option. Of course I can sit there and prestrafe all day long to reduce the advantage, but come on... is that the kind of gameplay players should settle for?

Of course this cannot be 100% solved, but whatever can be done, should be done to reduce the impact and possibilty.

Nah. That is part of my point. The main point, if you read my post, is that the high ping advantage is only for specific scenarios and most people won't be able to take full advantage of it.

More often that not, the high ping advantage happens much less frequently and low ping trumps any day. Only a minority of players are able to play in a way that benefits from high ping. This also means that deaths due to high ping advantage is not common and thus isnt much of an issue in the first place. Yes a few irritating deaths but that's about it. If the high pingers are always killing you this means that they know where you are and thus can use the advantage against you. This then means that well, you suck to begin with as you position yourself in an obvious manner.

In fact 'becoming' them (playing at high ping) is most prolly gonna put you at a disadvantage.

That's a load of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because peeker's advantage exists even on a LAN match. Countless situations where it feels like you just got ESP'd and then you watch the killcam and they had a solid second to look at you before shooting.