Toma is the best husbando

[CLG]

I want him to lock me in a cage~

[K-rollin]

Originally posted by Ceran:

K-rollin - you bring up some interesting points...

I first played Shin's route, then Toma's. Toma is a complex character (on the darker side as we've seen in his route). He does have his good side - friendly, kind and amiable but his protectiveness of the heroine is taken to the extreme. He has good intentions which we can see, and to be honest, the heroine wouldn't be locked up in a cage if she wasn't constantly breaking out with Orion's encouragement and kept getting herself in trouble.

Orion - I understand you have good intentions and all but dudeeee, she was being harrassed and stuff. Could you not.

We've seen in the beginning that she was NOT caged, but since she kept getting herself into certain situations, well...

I admit it: I like Toma as a character. But I would have preferred if his route was handled differently because the heroine's actions was making me facepalm and head-desking a lot. I mean I understand that the two of them have known each other for a freaking long time, but still...

I would've liked to see the balancing between the two characters done differently. The heroine, knowing Toma for such a long time, technically should know how to at least deal or read him better rather than being such in his route. I would've also preferred to see more character development in the heroine rather than "I'm just going to agree with him about everything and keep getting myself into trouble!" *cue another facepalm*

But oh gosh the shopping scene did make me laugh a lot. That was hilarious. For the feels, the first sleeping scene. That was just...wow.

I agree with all of this. The route probably works best if you take the normal ending as canon, in that case, since I suppose she does get some sort of development in that respect.

[Ceran]

Originally posted by K-rollin:

I agree with all of this. The route probably works best if you take the normal ending as canon, in that case, since I suppose she does get some sort of development in that respect.

Hmm, really? I haven't gotten all the endings yet. Shall tackle that next!

[Polite Society]

D: no thanks! I'll just cuddle with Kent over here in the corner <3

[Brukaoru]

I really cannot dislike Toma. I believe he was just overprotective and a bit possessive of the heroine. If he had only come forward about his feelings to begin with they probably would have had a great relationship without any of of this dark stuff going on.

I do not think it was that unreasonable for him to put her in a cage. Orion and the heroine were acting very foolish. Death threats, putting her private info online, harassment notes on her door, nasty stuff in her mailbox, and attempts to severely injure/kill her were not enough to make her stay at Toma's. Not only did she put herself in danger by going out, they could have tracked where she was and hurt/harassed Toma as well. And since she was so desparate to get out, if he had just kept her locked in his home, she probably would have found a way to go out the window or something.

Most importantly I truly believe he was going to let her out soon after he put her in there, he just wanted to make sure he had enough evidence first. I don't think it would have mattered if he had told her who it was that was after her. Worse, she probably would have tried confronting the fan club herself if he had.

I'm not saying he's perfect at all. In fact, in one of the bad endings for Ukyo's route Toma locks her up in his home and says he will never let her leave, simply after some fan club members hit her with a balloon full of red ink. He also kills the fan club members. That's way overboard insane. Also in regards to the good ending of Shin's route, it was really irresponsible for him to get mad at her when she was injured, and cause her more injury. He should have reigned in his temper, or tried to let it go for the time being and thought about it later.

Toma is just so sweet and kind in every other way. It's hard for me to just ignore all of his good personality traits just because he made some bad choices. None of the characters are perfect afterall.

As for the negative reviews I've seen that mention Toma and how the game glorifies abusive relationships, I just don't think it's that severe. I think that's an issue the game is trying to convey: because the heroine has amnesia and others can take advantage of that, be careful of who you can trust. I'm not too bothered by the 'abuse' portrayed because frankly it made the storylines more interesting than if it was only vanilla characters/storylines. This type of behavior would obviously not be condoned in real life, but it's a dramatic visual novel, so expect over-the-top drama.

[XiaoChuChu]

The only reason why i don't hate Toma is because: HE KILLS IKKI'S ANNOYING FAN CLUB :D

[KaraJade]

I don't hate Toma. Actually, I really like the idea of him as a very close friend and big-brother type.
But he scares the everliving sh...stuffing out of me.

In Toma's route Ukyo hits the nail on the head. Toma is even more dangerous than Ukyo precisely because he's insane and doesn't know it. So you never know when or what is going to cause him to snap.

My favorite ending (for a lot of reasons since I'm a die hard Shin fan) is Shin's HE in part because Toma realizes his problem and seeks help/turns himself in I really would like the MC and Shin be able to have their best friend back in their lives eventually.

I agree with the dislike of the MC in Toma's route.
Again, I rather like how Shin values her strength and encourages her independence (you know rather than locking her in a cage).

I think Toma's scene in the lingerie store may just be the funniest in the entire game. I want to like and trust him. I just wish he wasn't freaking nutz.

[XiaoChuChu]

Originally posted by KaraJade:

I don't hate Toma. Actually, I really like the idea of him as a very close friend and big-brother type.
But he scares the everliving sh...stuffing out of me.

In Toma's route Ukyo hits the nail on the head. Toma is even more dangerous than Ukyo precisely because he's insane and doesn't know it. So you never know when or what is going to cause him to snap.

My favorite ending (for a lot of reasons since I'm a die hard Shin fan) is Shin's HE in part because Toma realizes his problem and seeks help/turns himself in I really would like the MC and Shin be able to have their best friend back in their lives eventually.

I agree with the dislike of the MC in Toma's route.
Again, I rather like how Shin values her strength and encourages her independence (you know rather than locking her in a cage).

I think Toma's scene in the lingerie store may just be the funniest in the entire game. I want to like and trust him. I just wish he wasn't freaking nutz.

They do tone down his crazyness in the sequels.
However, the cage isn't gone. I mean, for some reason, the MC and Toma are suddenly a BDSM couple.... they even sleep in the cage.... BUT they make him into a more lovable, not so crazy person. And the stories are kinda cute. He's still a little stalker-ish though.
(I find something else more importan though, YOU CAN PLAY ORION'S ROUTE :D)

[76561198199319502]

Originally posted by fantasykt6975:

There is one way and I couldn't figure out why that one way couldn't have been the best solution. This is the part when I wasn't satisfied with the writing because if Toma had just told the heroine that her life's in danger because of the fangirls at the beginning, she would have agreed to a house arrest. I was annoyed because I already figured out why bad things kept happening to her, but Toma tried to keep it a secret and waited until after everything was said and done to tell her. The reason? Because he didn't want to scare her. And don't get me started on the whole "diary" plot point.

Quote is a bit old, but so much that. If the heroine was still distrusting of Toma in that case, then I would blame him less for caging her and basically deciding on everything without asking for her consent or even just her opinion. There's also that he drugged her to keep her asleep. This may be fiction, but there's just something about drugging someone that tends to leave a bad impression on me, mostly the part that he could have easily overdosed her, among other things.

I was really of the impression that he was more dangerous to heroine than the fangirls at that point, seeing as how he was the closest to her. It made me love his normal ending a lot more than I probably should have.

[.21grams]

Originally posted by Brukaoru:

I really cannot dislike Toma. I believe he was just overprotective and a bit possessive of the heroine. If he had only come forward about his feelings to begin with they probably would have had a great relationship without any of of this dark stuff going on.

I do not think it was that unreasonable for him to put her in a cage. Orion and the heroine were acting very foolish. Death threats, putting her private info online, harassment notes on her door, nasty stuff in her mailbox, and attempts to severely injure/kill her were not enough to make her stay at Toma's. Not only did she put herself in danger by going out, they could have tracked where she was and hurt/harassed Toma as well. And since she was so desparate to get out, if he had just kept her locked in his home, she probably would have found a way to go out the window or something.

Most importantly I truly believe he was going to let her out soon after he put her in there, he just wanted to make sure he had enough evidence first. I don't think it would have mattered if he had told her who it was that was after her. Worse, she probably would have tried confronting the fan club herself if he had.

I'm not saying he's perfect at all. In fact, in one of the bad endings for Ukyo's route Toma locks her up in his home and says he will never let her leave, simply after some fan club members hit her with a balloon full of red ink. He also kills the fan club members. That's way overboard insane. Also in regards to the good ending of Shin's route, it was really irresponsible for him to get mad at her when she was injured, and cause her more injury. He should have reigned in his temper, or tried to let it go for the time being and thought about it later.

Toma is just so sweet and kind in every other way. It's hard for me to just ignore all of his good personality traits just because he made some bad choices. None of the characters are perfect afterall.

As for the negative reviews I've seen that mention Toma and how the game glorifies abusive relationships, I just don't think it's that severe. I think that's an issue the game is trying to convey: because the heroine has amnesia and others can take advantage of that, be careful of who you can trust. I'm not too bothered by the 'abuse' portrayed because frankly it made the storylines more interesting than if it was only vanilla characters/storylines. This type of behavior would obviously not be condoned in real life, but it's a dramatic visual novel, so expect over-the-top drama.

Very much this.

I think a lot of the drama could have been avoided if Toma and the MC had just been upfront with each other from the very beginning. Sure, Toma was (justly) worried about the heroine and wanted to spare her dealing with the crazy fan girls and all, especially considering that she lost her memories and probably would have been terrified to be directly confronted with all of this (I know I would've). But he should (and could) have found another way other than trying to completely shield her from it and everyone else and making himself suspicious in the process - and ultimately, becoming about as bad, if not even worse, than those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ he was trying to protect her from.

And the heroine just wanted to get her memories back and instead of confiding in Toma (after she felt she could trust him) and working together with him to solve this issue somehow, she snuck out and got in more trouble without telling him a thing, as if all the harrassment and lies about her (that could've led to terrible things), the flower pot or being pushed on the railroad weren't enough . Now, I'm not saying she wasn't allowed to do all of this, because she's her own person and doesn't need to justify herself before anyone, or that her actions make what Toma did excusable in any way - it's just that I found her way of trying to handle things (with Orion's encouragement) unreasonable and very, very stupid.

The lack of actual, upfront and honest communication between the two of them was driving me nuts. It was so frustrating to see how he wanted to protect her and she kept slipping from his grasp, which made him tighten his grip, which made her doubt him even more etc. etc. .

Besides, I agree with you here - I absolutely do not think Toma was going to have her trapped in the cage forever (unless you got the bad ending and he snapped, of course) . He said so several times, and after everything was resovled, I don't see why he would lie. I can understand where he was coming from about lying to her about being her boyfriend, too, actually.
It's just my two cents, though. That still doesn't mean he shouldn't seek help or something. Though I rather like him and his route, that guy's not quite right in the head, and a relationship with him as-is wouldn't be healthy for the MC.

[Musashi]

I don't take the game personally or as a social justice act so I loved his route it was entertaining as ♥♥♥♥. I love him the most.

I'd be honestly flattered if there was a guy who ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the people in high school who slammed basketballs into my face etc.

I'd take him over getting choked or being called an idiot / fat any day.

[.21grams]

Agreed. Besides, despite all the (valid) criticism, Toma is a kind and caring guy. But he has... issues. Those are what made him so multi-faceted and thus, appealing to me, though. I could relate to what he was going through and very much appreciated his complexity. And kudos to the voice actor for being able to convey all of that. If it weren't for him, I don't think I would've liked Toma as much as I do.

[yuusiren]

To be honest, I initally bought the game only because of Toma. And I'm happy I did, because he's still my favourite character out of the entire cast even after playing the entire game.