D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die

D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die

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cheru Jun 17, 2015 @ 11:07pm
Who is D?
What's your theory?
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Richard Physter Jun 18, 2015 @ 2:23am 
Well I think there is a very good chance that David is D and there is like a memento thing going on. But knowing Swery, that is far from crazy enough to be the actual answer.
ChloeLovesDemons Jun 18, 2015 @ 8:01am 
When dealing with a time-travel story it's very difficult to see past the ironic idea that the protagonist will end up being responsible for whatever events he is trying to prevent by time travelling.

So far we have;
David, who can travel (only) into the past.
The crime scene where Peggy died having no evidence of a presence other than Peggy and David.
David having no memory of the night of his wife's death.
David, as August Oldmann, interfering in his own investigation through Forrest Kaysen.
A shadowy "D" behind the drug Real Blood which David was investigating before Peggy's death.
Peggy's last words being "Look for D..."

It's hard to tell which elements are relevant and which are red herrings but if we accept that we can't know that and so take the evidence at face value, it looks pretty bad for David. The idea that we could have multiple Davids running around at any given moment is also problematic, we have no idea how heavily our David is being obstructed or lead by the nose by his future self or selves. Assuming that David does at some point travel far enough into the past to become August Oldmann in the present, then he could be working with or against himself from both ends of the timeline.

What happened to Peggy's real father?

Is the game thematically related to Kenji Eno's D series (D, D2, E0)? Swery's focus on character psychology and his use of recurring "digital actors" could be inspired by Eno's games.

Most importantly, is Amanda a girl who thinks she's a cat or is she a cat whom David thinks is a girl? This is the essential, I need to know who I am buying clothes for :p
<flashmoZZg> Jun 18, 2015 @ 12:08pm 
Originally posted by KillemDafoe:
Is the game thematically related to Kenji Eno's D series (D, D2, E0)? Swery's focus on character psychology and his use of recurring "digital actors" could be inspired by Eno's games.

Most importantly, is Amanda a girl who thinks she's a cat or is she a cat whom David thinks is a girl? This is the essential, I need to know who I am buying clothes for :p
Defenitely not related. Maybe he played them though.

I believe she is a cat who David sees as a girl after incident for some reason.
We can see her as white cat in his flashback (both dives and real ones with Peggy).
Trip Fisk Jun 20, 2015 @ 1:03pm 
D is Deez Nutz
cheru Jun 21, 2015 @ 1:31am 
Was in a restaurant today and my waiters name tag read "D". Maybe its him?
Last edited by cheru; Jun 21, 2015 @ 1:32am
Cherry Bee Jun 22, 2015 @ 12:09am 
"I'm the Doctor"
Jun 25, 2015 @ 12:18am 
I can't believe that, after two years, David Young hasn't considered that "Look for D" might mean something other than "Look for a person whose name starts with D".
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beanmilk Jun 25, 2015 @ 8:16am 
He's down my pants.
<flashmoZZg> Jun 25, 2015 @ 12:45pm 
Originally posted by cheru:
Was in a restaurant today and my waiters name tag read "D". Maybe its him?
Another possibility I can't ignore.
Zaltys Jun 25, 2015 @ 2:11pm 
:clover:

"...for D" = 4D = four-leaf clover. Peggy referred to herself as lucky clover in one of her letters.

Therefore, "look for D" means "look for Peggy". ...wait a minute. There might be a flaw in my logic.
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Misha Jun 26, 2015 @ 5:43am 
i think its David himself-
-but im not sure.
help me.
Originally posted by The Giant Lance:
He's down my pants.
we did not ask where he is, but who
Last edited by Misha; Jun 26, 2015 @ 5:44am
Druinlord Jun 29, 2015 @ 3:43pm 
Since episode 2's never coming out
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How about we try and predict where the story was gonna go? Anything goes, i'm pretty sure Swery wasn't really sure himself-

First off, the whole thing takes place on the operating table in a dream-reality while Roland Walken is carefully removing the bullet out of your brain. Surgical instruments, mask, seems like a given. Maybe it's Ushah but probably not, as it isn't clear whether D4 and Deadly Premonition actually take place in the same world, or just feature the same red seed drug.

So, the game then is about David gathering his thoughts and pulling himself out of his coma, and remembering his wife's murder and the events that led up to it. The 'Diving' into the past using the momentos that Kaysen provides are probably confused memories of scenes that David was physically present and interacting during. I guess it makes the apartment functionally the same thing as York's red room in Premonition.

With that foundation, the plot really could go anywhere, because everything the game has laid on us to now has little bearing in it's own reality. That said, another easy plot insinuation we can certainly make is that Little Peggy's step-dad is the head of a pharmaceutical company that actually manufactures Red Blood, and most likely the same company that is pumping out the roided out super-soldiers that you'll end up encountering at the end of every episode. "D" is probably Dad, among other things.

Who is Kaysen then, and why is he working for Dad? My idea of where the plot is gonna go from here is, and it's a doozy, is that Kaysen isn't even a cop, but your mind control handler. You're probably not a cop either (probably not even from Boston, I mean lets be honest they're laying the Boston thing on pretty thick) but a Red Blood powered manchurian assassin. All that gum you chew is probably the delivery system for getting Red Blood into you.

Each dive in game probably would have involved a target being assassinated by a super freak. In the first instance, the Marshall and the courier, and then is wrapped up with you taking out the assassin, but what if you were the assassin all along and the fight scenes are just you compartmentalizing the killer back into your subconscious?

So, you're a mind control assassin for Big Pharma, Kaysen gives you missions, and you never had a wife but you probably develop a strange relationship with Olivia the DEA agent throughout the course of the game and end up getting shot in the head by her at the end, and that's what frees you from your programming
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Druinlord Jun 30, 2015 @ 6:00pm 
I wonder what Young's undercover narc persona was? If he got a tan and slicked his hair back, he'd be one obnoxiously styled beard away from being Zapatera. He likes the tequila afterall. (probably not though, seeing as how he has both his eyes plus I think his nose is a bit pointier)
In one point of the game it's mentioned that real blood is known to give people supernatural powers could explain Davids ability to time travel. So perhaps David (The main protagonist) was a real blood addict killed his wife and shot himself which lead him to forgot the events that transpired!
Druinlord Jul 3, 2015 @ 8:11pm 
As an undercover agent, it is likely that he was forced into a situation where he had to try it, and was totally unprepared for what effect it would have on him, and went spiralling into crazed addiction
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