Is this a movie about girl who slept with game journalist for good reviews of her indie game?

[v00d00m4n]

Im not really into that gamergate situation, but can someone confirm if so many negative reviews somehow related to presence of this chick in video? Does video mention anything about gamersgate?

[殺してあげる]

The negative reviews are because of the movie itself. It's not a dogpile callout causing it; they have actually seen the video (albiet I'd wager this will not be reflected in sales).

It's the cliquish insular nature of the content of the video, a poor representation of indie game devs as a whole that's objectionable. Quinn's presence is merely one facet in this gem that's the cause of it being panned.

To use an analogy, we want a documentary on the life of an average american, and instead got Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

[omgitsbees]

Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game writers for good reviews. That supposed review never even happened. Her ex-boyfriend wrote a long creepy rant on the internet about it and the whole thing blew up and went to court. The courts agreed that the ex-boyfriend was a creepy violent ♥♥♥♥ and now he has a restraining order against him. Should tell you everything you need to know.

[ImpactHound]

This is exactly the kind of person I had in mind when I wrote my review, explaining how I can prove I watched it & have a review with substance.

"Are so many negative reviews related to presence of this chick?"
Was she specifically mentioned in the negative reviews? Were the negative reviews only one sentence long or did they have multiple points to make? These questions should answer themselves with some light and very basic reading.

[Sniper Joe]

She didn't sleep with anybody for a good review, so far as I know. The common claim is that she slept with journalists for coverage, not reviews. Specifically, most discussion revolves around her sleeping with Nathan Grayson of Kotaku, who not only covered her fairly in-depth in two different articles without disclosure but also was actually a tester for her game and is mentioned in the credits. And for the record, her ex-boyfriend's "creepy rant" was actually a very sad tale about the history of emotional abuse he had suffered at her hands; the part about her sleeping with other people was meant to show how she had cheated on him with several other people during their relationship. It was a fairly small section, overall. And the restraining order (which prevents him from discussing his abuse) is currently being appealed.

I'm sure that her presence in the video has something to do with some downvotes. Controversial figures who continually thrust themselves into the limelight often have a similar effect. But I'm certain many people also simply didn't like the video. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Mericet]

Originally posted by omgitsangrybees:

Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game writers for good reviews. That supposed review never even happened.

It wasn't for reviews, but Zoe Quinn was unquestionably in a relationship (not a strictly platonic one) with Nathan Grayson, who was giving her game positive, prolific coverage without disclosing that they were in a relationship and that his coverage may be biased in her favour. Which, (tw: groobergoot), is unethical journalism.

[YSR715]

Seeing how you have to buy the movie and watch it, yeah odds are they're all real

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

No this is a cash grab under the guise of a documentary.


She's in it, but the criticisms against this "product" are not around her I'd like to believe.

But yes the points made against her were valid.

Also gaming journalism has always been a joke, why people still use said media is still beyond me.

[Ghost314]

I've been in #GamerGate for a while, I would be extremely surprised if any of us were actually buying this crap, (thus funding a bunch of our political oponents) just for the sake of leaving bad reviews.

I did notice some fun going on with the tags though, 'alternative history' made me lol.

[Potato Marshal]

She didn't sleep with anyone for a good review because she doesn't profit from Depression Quest. It's a free "game". There were never accusations about positive reviews, the whole incident was about preferential coverage. Depression Quest was little more than a text file about depression with a few meaningless choices strewn throughout. Zoe Quinn doesn't make money from games, she's not a game developer. She's little more than an "internet personality" that profits through donations and media appearances, she could've never released Depression Quest and she'd still be in a similar position now.

Her entire career centres around donations. Donations for that supposed game jam that she's organizing after sabotaging another one, yet the one she's organizing still has no updates for the past several years. Donations for being a "gamergate victim". Donations for appearing in panels, podcasts and interviews. Zoe Quinn is not a game developer, she's a minor internet celebrity that's famous for being famous. She's essentially the Kim Kardashian of indie games.

By her admittance and all the other parties involved, she ♥♥♥♥♥♥ several prominent members of the industry, including developers, journalists and even prominent board members of organizations such as the IGDA. Whether she did so with the intent of getting preferential treatment or money in return isn't 100% clear. What I can say, is that before Gamergate, and even before the release of Depression Quest, the media has been kissing her ass, propping her up as some savior of women and indie gaming despite having done nothing at all.

Either way, Zoe Quinn is only one person amongst dozens in this movie. There's plenty of things to dislike about the movie.

[Fru Fru Brigade]

Originally posted by Mericet:

Originally posted by omgitsangrybees:

Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game writers for good reviews. That supposed review never even happened.

It wasn't for reviews, but Zoe Quinn was unquestionably in a relationship (not a strictly platonic one) with Nathan Grayson, who was giving her game positive, prolific coverage without disclosing that they were in a relationship and that his coverage may be biased in her favour. Which, (tw: groobergoot), is unethical journalism.

Still false. Even according to the Gamergate Wiki, he wrote all of two articles about her, both of which came, by Gjoni's own timeline, BEFORE he might have been in a relationship with her -- at most, they were friends at the time.

Originally posted by Potato Marshal:

She didn't sleep with anyone for a good review because she doesn't profit from Depression Quest. It's a free "game". There were never accusations about positive reviews, the whole incident was about preferential coverage. Depression Quest was little more than a text file about depression with a few meaningless choices strewn throughout. Zoe Quinn doesn't make money from games, she's not a game developer. She's little more than an "internet personality" that profits through donations and media appearances, she could've never released Depression Quest and she'd still be in a similar position now.

Her entire career centres around donations. Donations for that supposed game jam that she's organizing after sabotaging another one, yet the one she's organizing still has no updates for the past several years. Donations for being a "gamergate victim". Donations for appearing in panels, podcasts and interviews. Zoe Quinn is not a game developer, she's a minor internet celebrity that's famous for being famous. She's essentially the Kim Kardashian of indie games.

By her admittance and all the other parties involved, she ♥♥♥♥♥♥ several prominent members of the industry, including developers, journalists and even prominent board members of organizations such as the IGDA. Whether she did so with the intent of getting preferential treatment or money in return isn't 100% clear. What I can say, is that before Gamergate, and even before the release of Depression Quest, the media has been kissing her ass, propping her up as some savior of women and indie gaming despite having done nothing at all.

Either way, Zoe Quinn is only one person amongst dozens in this movie. There's plenty of things to dislike about the movie.

Last I checked, she'd admitted to no such thing. And yes, it was originally framed as "good reviews" and some people are still using that argument. The "positive coverage" was an attempt to backpedal when it became clear no such reviews exist. (Very little by way of "positive coverage" of the sort that might be from a conflict of interest exists, either, but that's a whole 'nother issue.)

[Potato Marshal]

Originally posted by Nezumi:

Originally posted by Mericet:

It wasn't for reviews, but Zoe Quinn was unquestionably in a relationship (not a strictly platonic one) with Nathan Grayson, who was giving her game positive, prolific coverage without disclosing that they were in a relationship and that his coverage may be biased in her favour. Which, (tw: groobergoot), is unethical journalism.

Still false. Even according to the Gamergate Wiki, he wrote all of two articles about her, both of which came, by Gjoni's own timeline, BEFORE he might have been in a relationship with her -- at most, they were friends at the time.

Originally posted by Potato Marshal:

She didn't sleep with anyone for a good review because she doesn't profit from Depression Quest. It's a free "game". There were never accusations about positive reviews, the whole incident was about preferential coverage. Depression Quest was little more than a text file about depression with a few meaningless choices strewn throughout. Zoe Quinn doesn't make money from games, she's not a game developer. She's little more than an "internet personality" that profits through donations and media appearances, she could've never released Depression Quest and she'd still be in a similar position now.

Her entire career centres around donations. Donations for that supposed game jam that she's organizing after sabotaging another one, yet the one she's organizing still has no updates for the past several years. Donations for being a "gamergate victim". Donations for appearing in panels, podcasts and interviews. Zoe Quinn is not a game developer, she's a minor internet celebrity that's famous for being famous. She's essentially the Kim Kardashian of indie games.

By her admittance and all the other parties involved, she ♥♥♥♥♥♥ several prominent members of the industry, including developers, journalists and even prominent board members of organizations such as the IGDA. Whether she did so with the intent of getting preferential treatment or money in return isn't 100% clear. What I can say, is that before Gamergate, and even before the release of Depression Quest, the media has been kissing her ass, propping her up as some savior of women and indie gaming despite having done nothing at all.

Either way, Zoe Quinn is only one person amongst dozens in this movie. There's plenty of things to dislike about the movie.

Last I checked, she'd admitted to no such thing. And yes, it was originally framed as "good reviews" and some people are still using that argument. The "positive coverage" was an attempt to backpedal when it became clear no such reviews exist. (Very little by way of "positive coverage" of the sort that might be from a conflict of interest exists, either, but that's a whole 'nother issue.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ReC-GtLfc

Zoe herself isn't even denying that she slept with other guys while in a relationship with Eron.

Even from the beginning it was widely known there weren't any actual reviews for Depression Quest. Not sure where you're getting this from. The problem with the preferential treatment goes beyond a bad game like Depression Quest getting positive coverage, Zoe Quinn has been accused of sabotaging charities, game jams and individuals, yet the media just throws its hands up and says "no, Zoe's our friend, we're not going to look into it, we donate to her Patreon and you should too". Yet whenever Zoes makes any baseless accusations such as the ones against TFYC, Wizard Chan or countless others, the media will lap it up and portray Zoe as some poor underdog being attacked by misogynists, or whatever with nothing but her word.

Like I said, Depression Quest is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, Zoe Quinn's career is not based around selling Depression Quest, it's about selling herself, and I don't mean sexually either. The media portrays her as some feminist folk hero and poor victim of misogyny, then she rakes in donations, that's how she profits from positive coverage. The media can say whatever they want about Depression Quest and it wouldn't effect a thing, she makes money by the media following her lead and portraying her as some poor woman being "harassed" by gamers.

[Archias ℞]

Originally posted by 殺してあげる:

To use an analogy, we want a documentary on the life of an average american, and instead got Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

Perfectly put.