Why are end game orcs so op?

[SkathiTheJotunn]

fire proof, frost proof, poison proof, execution proof. smart adaption im not even joking this is my NORMAL enemy captain at this point. God forbid if they have arrow proof which they almost always do as well. Its like as soon as i hit 50 EVERYTHING became super op and i remaind super gutted. Ive got all updated gear and im getting two and three shotted bycaptains LOWER then me. Oh finally have an enemy thats not super immune to everything? hes a slayer berserker so you cant attack him from the front and he has arrow immune. oh and he just adapted to vault and frost. oh and he fulled healed himself.

Seriously who thought this kind of "balance" was a good idea? Talion already got gutted to ♥♥♥♥ whyd they make the end game so unfun. I cant be the only person coming across this issue.

Seriously my only gripe with this game so far ive loved everything else.

[titanopteryx]

Well, do what I do. When I'm about to die, I dodge roll away from whatever's killing me, I enter bow mode with time slowing focus, and shadowstrike to some far away grunt.

[Shingdude | Ham Mafia |]

it is simple. Sauron finally stepped up his game! :)

[Gavran]

Yeah, I'm only 45 but I agree immunity spam on high level orcs gets out of hand. Adapted Arrow Immune Stealth Immune Execution Immune Berserkers/Defenders just aren't any fun to fight. Those are still relatively rare for me though, usually at least one of those things up so I can spam it to kill them. But, when that's Arrow or Stealth... still not the most fun way to kill one orc.

[titanopteryx]

Well with stealth, remember you can use ariel stealth attacks. And climbing up things, especially if you have allied orcs near them to steal their focus, can cause them to lose sight of you. If it's arrow, and they aren't immune to ground attacks, you can shadow tackle them with your bow, and then ground attack. That'll eat your arrows fast though. And try to brand as many grunts around him as you can. I like combining a counter knock down with a ground brand. Every time the enemy captain attacks a grunt, he's not attacking you.

[cklim78]

You can always tactical retreat, drain+replenish arrows. Check back what type of damage your target takes if there is no weakness. Change your skills/upgrades accordingly, Stealth attack/Summon Followers/Summon beast/Dominate grunts, you have more tools than you think.

[SkathiTheJotunn]

I am well aware of a lot of the things you guys are bringing up. That doesnt change when they adapt again and i have no choice BUT to run. Thats not really fun gameplay.

[👁]

Maybe it's to encourage you to buy loot boxes.

I mean think about it, your chance of getting legendary orcs is already insanely low, and you need legendary orcs to complete your item sets otherwise you'll forever only have three pieces of Arcane items instead of the 6 you need to complete the set.

So once even the non-epic orcs become insanely op, it becomes less practical to kill them, meaning it's harder to clear the stage for new legendaries.

Ergo, you need Loot Boxes to complete your Item Sets.

[cklim78]

Originally posted by Shiren the Siren:

I am well aware of a lot of the things you guys are bringing up. That doesnt change when they adapt again and i have no choice BUT to run. Thats not really fun gameplay.

Well...the game would be boring if all you need is just slash > jump over target > slash again or shoot all the way to defeat an enemy.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by ☺:

Maybe it's to encourage you to buy loot boxes.

I mean think about it, your chance of getting legendary orcs is already insanely low, and you need legendary orcs to complete your item sets otherwise you'll forever only have three pieces of Arcane items instead of the 6 you need to complete the set.

So once even the non-epic orcs become insanely op, it becomes less practical to kill them, meaning it's harder to clear the stage for new legendaries.

Ergo, you need Loot Boxes to complete your Item Sets.

Actually legendary set set bonuses only require you to have 4 pieces of the set equipped to get the full set bonus. So it might be better to get 4 from one set and 2 from another. That's just semantics though.

Anyway, if you want to kill an orc that's op, there's a few ways to do it. One is to have an orc captain start a nemesis mission to kill that orc, and then add other captains as reinforcements, and then show up at the fight and have multiple orc captains and the grunts they brought with them help you with the fight. Or you can just keep suiciding against the orc until Forthog kills him.

[SkathiTheJotunn]

Originally posted by ☺:

Maybe it's to encourage you to buy loot boxes.

I mean think about it, your chance of getting legendary orcs is already insanely low, and you need legendary orcs to complete your item sets otherwise you'll forever only have three pieces of Arcane items instead of the 6 you need to complete the set.

So once even the non-epic orcs become insanely op, it becomes less practical to kill them, meaning it's harder to clear the stage for new legendaries.

Ergo, you need Loot Boxes to complete your Item Sets.

wait till endgame. they throw legendary orcs at you like candy. I just finally finished the 20 sieges.

Originally posted by cklim78:

Originally posted by Shiren the Siren:

I am well aware of a lot of the things you guys are bringing up. That doesnt change when they adapt again and i have no choice BUT to run. Thats not really fun gameplay.

Well...the game would be boring if all you need is just slash > jump over target > slash again or shoot all the way to defeat an enemy.

While i agree, read my OP. Its un fun when its just insane ammounts of immunity then they adapt to give near full immunity. Thats not fun.

[cklim78]

Originally posted by Shiren the Siren:

Originally posted by ☺:

Maybe it's to encourage you to buy loot boxes.

I mean think about it, your chance of getting legendary orcs is already insanely low, and you need legendary orcs to complete your item sets otherwise you'll forever only have three pieces of Arcane items instead of the 6 you need to complete the set.

So once even the non-epic orcs become insanely op, it becomes less practical to kill them, meaning it's harder to clear the stage for new legendaries.

Ergo, you need Loot Boxes to complete your Item Sets.

wait till endgame. they throw legendary orcs at you like candy. I just finally finished the 20 sieges.

Originally posted by cklim78:

Well...the game would be boring if all you need is just slash > jump over target > slash again or shoot all the way to defeat an enemy.

While i agree, read my OP. Its un fun when its just insane ammounts of immunity then they adapt to give near full immunity. Thats not fun.

Well, if you insist of chaining attacks.. Usually find a way to get to the orc captain's back without jump over(stealth, pinning etc) and start slashing will do the trick.

[SkathiTheJotunn]

Originally posted by cklim78:

Originally posted by Shiren the Siren:

wait till endgame. they throw legendary orcs at you like candy. I just finally finished the 20 sieges.


While i agree, read my OP. Its un fun when its just insane ammounts of immunity then they adapt to give near full immunity. Thats not fun.

Well, if you insist of chaining attacks.. Usually find a way to get to the orc captain's back without jump over(stealth, pinning etc) and start slashing will do the trick.

Pinning doesnt work if theyre immune to arrows. I know how to play the game and work around the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but these high level orcs have way to immunities up front and little actual real weaknesses. I even have my build to be very spread out. Like fire mighty shot and poison on elven light. I have everything in my build and its still frustrating.

[cklim78]

Originally posted by Shiren the Siren:

Originally posted by cklim78:

Well, if you insist of chaining attacks.. Usually find a way to get to the orc captain's back without jump over(stealth, pinning etc) and start slashing will do the trick.

Pinning doesnt work if theyre immune to arrows. I know how to play the game and work around the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but these high level orcs have way to immunities up front and little actual real weaknesses. I even have my build to be very spread out. Like fire mighty shot and poison on elven light. I have everything in my build and its still frustrating.

I have been hunting in Minas Morgul ever since I finished ACT4, I have encountered many orcs with those immunities + vault break + quick learner + no weakness. If you find it too frustrating to hunt them, maybe you can let your captains do the job while you focus on those with weaknesses.

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[Shad]

Originally posted by Shiren the Siren:

Pinning doesnt work if theyre immune to arrows. I know how to play the game and work around the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but these high level orcs have way to immunities up front and little actual real weaknesses.

They would still have weaknesses. Just exploit those.

I even have my build to be very spread out. Like fire mighty shot and poison on elven light.

Why would you do that? You can just get elemental sword/dagger/bow and pick the right one before the fights. + Buffs from Cloak and Armor. You can literally spam whatever element you need.