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She had a decent sense of humour and her banter/general unteractions with Styx weren't too bad in terms of writing. It was somewhat reminiscent of a buddy comedy with how they bounced off each other in terms of their unlikely alliance and both similar but different personalities.
I also liked Djarak somewhat as well, though his character certainly wasn't as much fun to watch interact with Styx as Helledryn. I was actually surprised when she ultimately didn't betray atStyx at any point throughout the game lol.
Djarak certainly wasn't a bad character either, though he certainly seemed quite single-minded, and his betrayel of Styx certainly seemed more likely. Though his characters ambigious ending was disappointing to see.
We don't even get a motivation for why he seemed to try run out on Styx and leave him in Korranger. Styx certainly seemed to have helped him in his ultimate goal of liberating the dark elves (whether Styx was happy to do so or not) so his betrayel makes little real sense.
He's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, thats why. Everything he's done is for his own satisfaction. Doesn't matter if he's started a war just so that things would go his way. Its totally cool, everyone likes to die for Djarak.
Destorying the choice to drink amber is wrong too. Drinking amber is part of their heritage whether or not you agree addiction to it is bad. They can probably handle it quite well due to many generations of natural selection. So there's probably no way drinking amber is bad for them.
There's a game BEFORE MoS with Styx in it. The story in that game is hundreds of years after the events in MoS and SoD. So, as for the ending for SoD... Abrupt end with some loose end? Yes. Cliffhanger? No.
So, obviously Styx at least survived the fight. With abit of common sense you'll see why Styx most likely won it. Djarak didn't have a quarkz sceptor as he did previously. And instead, Styx is now powered up with quarkz in his body this time.
but it doesn't ruin the game because gameplay wise it's still the best stealt game on the market for me at least
Fully agree. Esp in comparison to the previous 2 games.
- Felt extremely short compared to Shadows, though I tried as much as was possible to take out every guard in the first game on my first playthrough. Not even close to reasonable here. Makes me a little sad.
-The Copy/Pasted construction of shacks and airship levels lead to unpolished problematic corners and wall obstacles (also enemy detection), at least in some obscure areas. (And you don't get stopped at doorway edges until they're fully open and even then it might not stop you?)
- FOV and Camera sensitivity 1 notch too high. Fixed that, however.... Styx's movement with his back against a wall and traversing a rope is slightly too sensitive. It would frequently overdo what I wanted to do.
Which leads me to...
- Curved walls (in general) + the first boss event (in general). Nothing in the first game had a rounded corner. Everything was square. There is 1 spot in the first boss event (plus several others in the game) where the barrier is curved and becomes problematic, plus the curved ledge hangs. Everything about that boss event is a massive pain for first attempts through... And those eggs w/out amber at the end? Holy hell..... Why do clones not use Amber that recharges anymore? Especially with those smoke plants around in some levels (+ the eggs). Tentacle stab is +1 way too much going on at once with those extremely frequent splash drops going on. Back to barriers - Spray beam and splash drops should not be able to damage you at all if you are holding against a wall, even if you're peaking around. Splash drops potentially going over a barrier and damaging you, or even damaging you while you're hanging on it, shouldn't happen. Basically, especially with the beam, attacks should snap to hitting a barrier directly or to shooting through the open space, not half & half. And there definitely should be no way of being damaged if you're holding against a wall while maybe near the edge of it. Right now, it's just frustration all the way through. And then those eggs....
- Last boss came out of nowhere, but was ridiculously simple and easy. I felt very disconnected from both of these boss events because they were indirect and we were behind cave walls half the time.
- and Oh... Ended half way through a cutscene?.... That was.... THAT was supposed to be the final boss? Whaaaaaaat!???
- Styx death/failure taunts are very unneeded. Rapidly became a negative rather than a positive. Definitely turning them off when I go back to it.
- Aaron Barimen was a basic side objective and was very unceremonious nor rewarding.
Amber recharges if you've destroyed the clone by yourself, and it wasn't killed. I never managed to destroy it quickly enough with the smoke plants, but with eggs it's very much doable.
In this game I actually liked bosses, exactly for the reason you mentioned - we were hiding from them, not fighting. And what I especially liked about the last boss was the music. I was hiding and listening and it was awesome.
Rather anticlimactic, yes.
It is kind of a huge cliffhanger if you think about it though Batman. Sure its easy to infer Styx ultimately made it out as a whole because Of Orcs And Men proves that thanks to his strong presence in that game. But beyond that there are many loose ends that we get no answers too.
Like for example, the Dark Elves vs. Dwarves. Who won the war? Whilst it could be inferred that the dwarves ultimately won because they had a presence in OOAM, that still leaves the question of what ultimately what became of the Dark Elves? Did many, if any, survive? Did they go back into isolation in Korranger? Did they all flee?
On a more specific level, what happened to 3 very specific characters in game, Djarak, Helledryn, and Lyssril? What happened to Helledryn? Did she make it out like of Korranger like she seemed so confident she could do? If she did, she continue working to eradicate goblins? Did she seize control of Thoben's guild like Styx seemed to plan?
Meanwhile, what happened to Djarak? He swore to take vengeance against Lyssril. Did he ever exact it or did Styx stop that plan even if unintentionally when confront him on the airship? Lyssril managed to flee Korranger, so what became off her if Djarak didn't catch her?
Overall, there's lots of unexplained questions and no real answers. I think Shards ending would constitude a cliffhanger all in all, even if the protagonist Styx's fate itself is clear cut. I like the game overall, but I'll be damned if the ending isn't fustrating as hell.
Put simply I am aware of all, if not most, of what you have mentioned. Lets just settle that its a matter of opinion whether or not they constitute a cliffhanger.
Just google or look up a dictionary " installment ends in suspense in order to interest the reader or viewer in the next installment". While the questions are indeed interesting, I highly doubt they will be the main focus in the next game if there was any. They will be answered in a "by the way" manner at best. With your definition of cliffhanger, basically every game and every show are cliffhangers as long as there are more than 2 or 3 things I'm interested to know about and the story failed to explicitly conclude them. Which would make too many stories a cliffhanger and therefore making the word as a description very meaningless.
In wikipedia cliffhangers are "plot device in fiction which features a main character in a precarious or difficult dilemma, or confronted with a shocking revelation" I like this definition because it brings attention to the main character and implies that everyone else are unimpt. Which is true. With this definition, I can quickly say that all that you have said so far are just loose ends and not cliffhangers because they do not have the word "Styx" in them. Well, not exactly but you know what I mean.
Why is this turning into an English lesson? In any case, I repeat "Lets just settle that its a matter of opinion whether or not they constitute a cliffhanger." Just incase you start another essay about whether or not its cliffhanger which would only serve as an invite for me to write even more.
I personally feel that these are non consequential and might be handled in a "oh by the way" manner just like how they handled Aaron Barimen. I WAS also wondering about him after Master of Shadows. And yes, you can also infer that they will handle these loose ends this way since they handled Aaron this way in this game. They even have an honorary mention of Orcs who can think and talk in this game. There were none in MOS.
Alright, I'll accept you're suggestion that we take this as a matter of opinion simply because I can't be bothered to get into a long argument debate over this. I do feel I have to say this one thing though, that may seem like Im contradicting my desire to avoid a debate.
If you don't mind me saying, personally I think its a bit far for you to call characters such as Helledryn and Djarak unimportant in your second pargraph, since they do serve very pivotal roles in this games story and Styx's own specific arc, even if their personal arcs in your book don't particularly matter.
Helledryn could be considered the one to set the entire story in motion when she made her bargain with Styx, and Djarak, whilst he certainly seems to contribute much less to the story than Helledryn, he does form his own alliance with Styx and convince him to work with him so Styx can retain his liberty. Something as shown by the last game, he cares quite alot about.
I find it hard to belive that you don't want a debate since you basically nitpicked on the statement "everyone else are unimpt". Which is just an excuse to extend the discussion if I've ever seen one.
Such statements are usually meant to just put a point across and aren't meant to be taken literally. Seeing that you are someone who considers loose ends in stories as cliffhangers I guess... I guess its not so surprisingly to see this happening. We have someone who thinks Obama isn't US citizen for a president. So, why not? Anything goes these days. You can call whoever whatever you want. Suit yourself.
I'm getting curious how you would argue for that, to be honest. Its fun to see how people think. The more misguided they are, the funnier the things they say. Right now I see you saying "pivotal role = main character" and "loose ends = cliffhangers".
Ah, screw it, I'll forget what I previously said about not wanting to debate since this is something I can't really ignore.
1) You never made it clear how your statement about all others are unimportant weren't meant to be taken literally. So what did you expect?
2) This part on Obama. Are you assuming that I think Obama isn't a US citizen, because I couldn't care less about him and whether or not he is one. Im not even a US citizen myself so why should this be a concern to me? Where is any of this coming from?
3) So Im apparently misguided for thinking Djarak and Helledryn were important to this game story? I can't help but think you're beingh rather disdainful and conceited with your opinion and seeming to think its the right one to be honest here man.
4) You're making stuff up here man. I never said characters that play a pivotal role are main characters, Im just saying that their important to the story. And they were. Like I said, Helledryn basically set things in motion, and Djarak did whatever he did and co-operated with Styx to bring down Lyssril.
So they were important to this games story and its ultimate conclusion.
As for loose ends being cliffhangers, they could well be considered that. Just because you don't care doesn't mean others don't.
And since you yourself stated this should be considered a matter of opinion, why do you seem to laugh and/or find amusement when others call these loose ends cliffhangers?
And you say you don't want a debate... What a joke.
For (1), I'm not here to write an essay so I'm don't have to be detailed in what I say. However, the paragraph as a whole indicates that the point was that the focus is on Styx and the others being side characters doesn't need their part of the story to be concluded. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept. Lots of stories have impt side characters not addressed at the end.
For (2) I am sensing a big lack in ability of comprehension from you here. I brought it up because people can call anyone whatever they like. And here you are calling loose ends cliffhangers. You really can't read can you? The above sentences that followed were meant to clarify my point. Which obviously failed with you.
(3) MIsguided in saying "pivotal role = main character" and "loose ends = cliffhangers". If that wasn't your intention, just make yourself clear.
1stly, Helledryn's part was over once her curiosity was satisfied. Everything else was obviously due to developers keeping her in the story. Whether or not anything comes of it, I believe even the developers themselves haven't decide or don't know. Strictly speaking her part was concluded but with some loose ends. Djarak was satisfied with what he accomplished too. And no one cares if he died or escaped somehow for christ's sake. For Djarak everything else is just loose ends.
Seriously, the story could had ended with Djarak not appearing anymore, or get crushed by the golem. And Helledryn could had been left alone and was never captured or just shown to have escape or watever. The story wouldn't be much more different.
Even with the definitions for cliffhangers presented to you, you still insist "As for loose ends being cliffhangers, they could well be considered that." ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Obviously explaining thigns here isn't going to work with your low level of comprehension.
You know what? Just go ask a literature teacher why loose ends and cliffhangers aren't the same thing. I'm sure they will have a better way to answer that qn since they probably have been asked so many times and most of them are probably like you. Dummies who can't make sense of thigns even with dictionary definition presented to them.
2 things since I my ability to care is now gone again. About this debate is now gone again.
1) I did actually say I was willing to put aside my original statement about not wanting a debate. And you say I can't read. Ironic. Similarly ironic is how you tell me to be clear about what Im saying, yet yourself weren't clear with what should or should not be taken literally earlier with who is or isn't important in this story and whatnot.
2) Seriously, you're now insulting me for having different opinions about what constitutes a cliffhanger and/or for caring about the characters and their potential ends or fates? You realise you're probably not going to get many agreeing with you if that's the route you're taking right?
You're so damn certain you are right in this situation that you'll insult people who disagree. Sad really. Also, you yourself mentioned in a previous comment something about there being multiple definitions as to what a cliffhanger is.
Who says your definition is right? then Just because you think it is, doesn't mean it is. I can't helpt but notice it somewhat conviniently suits your opinion that Styx should be the primary focus and Helldryn and Djarak are off significantly lesser important.
Right, that's all I have to say since Im very much bored with this discussion. This will probably be the last comment I post here since I sense this argument will otherwise last a long whiles.