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Pew-Pew Sep 24, 2018 @ 12:41pm
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100% achievements should be possible / 100% достижений должны быть возможными
InB4Reset and where to find it how to achieve it

Ok, guys, we recieved feedback about "InB4Reset" achievement:

Originally posted by TWWilsonam:
Originally posted by yao199 (UA):
Will it now unlock automatically upon getting the rest of 'em?

No - that would require us doing code changes, builds and updating the old game...

Also, seeing other questions: this is ONLY a possible solution for those who have 139/140 achievements at the moment - not taking account of other odd situations...

So if you have every other achievement and stuck with 139/140 in your profile - send a message to TWWilsonam or leave a message here.

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If you stuck with SP achievements in MP and you DON'T have SP game - leave a message about this and maybe we'll try to came up with some solution.

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Here's the original post:


Hi, everyone!

The game is no longer being developed/supported for quite a long time already, however, there are several achievements that are not obtainable, specifically:

- 23 single player achievements
- In B4 Reset

Technically, all 23 single player achievements can be obtained as long as you have RO2SP in your library by swapping folders of installed games, more info here - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=393759211 . But since these achievements are not related to multiplayer by any means and many people don't even have the single player in their library, I think they should be removed from multiplayer part of the game.

"In B4 Reset" was given only to those people who played the game within very short time frame back in September 2011. Since then, it is absolutely unobtainable, so people who are late and would want to get all achievements will get stuck at 139/140 which sounds pretty unfair to me - just look at screenshots below:

https://imgur.com/a/rqBuBs8

Taking into account that this game belongs amongst the most difficult games in terms of achievements (many achievements have 0.01% unlock rate, just see the screenshot above), it is indeed very frustrating when someone puts a lot of dedication and hundreds of hours into the game only to find out they will never get that last one.
In my opinion, "In B4 Reset" should be either removed from Steam or at least given to people who manage to get every other achievement and miss only this one. The rarity of this achievement should not decrease, because the amount of people that would achieve it would be very low (0.01% of players, maybe even less). But in this case, it would be a win-win situation - those who value having it wouldn't need to feel any less special about it and on the other hand it would feel like a big victory for those who would manage to finally get it.

There is also one more problem with the "In B4 Reset" achievement. You might notice that the first screenshot shows 52/53 games played are finished to 100%, while game completion rate is at 99%. RO2 is the very last 53rd game that is not finished and is stuck at 139/140, so "In B4 Reset" is not only causing you to be unable to finish the game, it will prohibit you from getting 100% on your Steam profile!


I know that some people might say that they don't care about achievements, but there's a decent community of achievement hunters that do care about it, and they are the ones that I would like to talk to and discuss here. Those people who don't care wouldn't be affected by this, so there is no need to post judgmental comments regarding us who want to be able to get 100% in the game.


Some examples of other posts on Steam discussing similar topic:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/810922320155906271/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/810925580054451912/ (this one is not so good, but it seems that the person is really sad about it)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846960628198130515/?ctp=28#c1482109512319843689 (post #1365)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846959998059743552/

This group (37k members) included RO2/RS in special "Broken" list: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/100pAG/discussions/1/828935672459065954/


And I should also mention, that it is neither te♥♥♥♥♥aly difficult or time consuming to remove an achievement. It literally takes just one click of mouse button: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/achievements/ach_guide . All it needs is just a small bit of will from developers.


I had a little chat with Tripwire support. Right now their anwers is:
- "There are not currently plans to revisit this."

After this i mentioned that moderators said opposite things:
- "However, TWI have said that they plan on removing the inb4 reset achievement because those that had it already got their reward. They also said they plan on removing the campaign achievements once they can transfer them over to the single player client."
- link: https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846959998059743552/

Also here:
-"I believe our current plan is to remove them from the multiplayer portion of the game with the next patch."
-link: https://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/forum/red-orchestra-2-rising-storm/ro2-rs-general/general-discussion-ab/100377-thead-about-development-time/page3?postcount=39 (that was 4 years ago)

Another example:
-"We are trying to find a way to transfer those achievements over to the single player app. If we can do so we will then remove them from the multiplayer."
- link: https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846954921845503939/

So in the end Tripwire answered:
-"The best way to let your feedback be known is to join the conversation in the forums."

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So, here i am, doing as they said - starting a topic and asking you, fellow players, for your support. So if you support the idea of deleting or revisiting (In B4 Reset) those unobtainable achievments, please vote and leave a comment in the discussion. I believe that if decent amount of people shows their will, there still might be a way to finally make this game 100%-able.

Sorry for such a big post, but i tried to gather all important information, so it would't look just like "another whiny post".

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Всем привет!

Разработчики довольно давно перерстали дорабатывать и поддерживать эту игру, однако, еще осталось несколько достижений, которые невозможно получить:

- 23 достижения одиночной кампании
- In B4 Reset

В принципе, 23 достижения кампании можно получить, если у вас в библиотеке Steam есть отдельный клиент для одиночной игры "RO2: HoS - Single player", подробнее тут (в том числе на русском):

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=393759211

Это мини-гайд поможет в их открытии. Однако, т.к. эти достижения больше не имеют отношения к оригинальной многопользовательской игре, и у множества игроков нет нужног оклиента в библиотеке, я считаю, что эти достижения должны быть убраны из игры (у меня они есть, но я, например, готов с ними расстаться из-за соображений честности по отношению к остальным игрокам).

Достижение "In B4 Reset" было получено только теми игроками, которые играли в очень короткий период в Сентябре 2011 года. С тех пор это достижение получить нельзя, и те, кто опоздали на вечеринку, вынуждены остаться с прогрессом 139/140, что весьма нечестно на мой взгляд - вот взгляните на скриншот одного из поддержавших нас игрока:

https://imgur.com/a/rqBuBs8

Учитывая, что эта игра - одна из самых сложных в плане получения достижений (у многих достижений 0.01% игроков, получивших их, посмотрите на скриншоте выше), это весьма и весьма обломно осознать, что куча времени и усилий в итоге потрачены впустую.

Я считаю, что достижение "In B4 Reset" должно быть либо удалено из Steam, либо выдано тем игрокам, которые смогли получить все остальые достижения. Некоторые игроки выше предлагают выдавать его за добровольный вайп уровней и прокачки, что также является неплохим вариантом.

Таким образом, ценность данного достижения не упадет, потому что процент получивших его останется низким (0.01% игроков, может даже меньше). Но в таком случае это будет выигрышная ситуация для всех - для тех, кто уже получил его, оно не обесценится, а те, кто охотится за достижениями наконец-то получат возможность открыть все 100%.

Есть еще одна проблема, связанная с "In B4 Reset". Вы можете увидеть на первом скриншоте (ссылка выше), что 52/53 игр завершены на 100%, хотя общий рейтинг "завершенности" составляет 99%. RO2- последняя из 53 игр, и она застряла на 139/140, таким образом "In B4 Reset" не только оставляет вас с 139 достижениями из 140, но и навсегда лишает возможности получить заветные 100% среднего процента достижений за игру в Steam!


Я понимаю, что многим из вас нет дела до достижений, но уже давно сформировалось внушительное сообщество охотников за достижениями, и это именно те, к кому я обращаюсь и кого хочу вовлечь в данную дискуссию. Те, кого достижения не волнуют, никак не пострадают от данных изменений, так что попрошу воздержаться от троллинга и осуждающих комментариев в адрес тех, кто любит проходить игры на 100%.

Несколько примеров ранее созданных топиков по проблеме:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/810922320155906271/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/810925580054451912/ (вот тут человек явно сильно расстроился)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846960628198130515/?ctp=28#c1482109512319843689 (пост #1365)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846959998059743552/

Вот группа (почти 40к участников) включила RO2/RS в список "поломанных" игр: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/100pAG/discussions/1/828935672459065954/


Я также хочу отметить, что технически несложно удалить достижение из игры, это займет не так много времени - буквально пара кликов: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/achievements/ach_guide (официальный гайд для разработчиков). Т.е. от разработчиков нужно всего лишь немного проявить силу воли.


Я также пообщался со службой поддержки Tripwire. Их овтет был следующим (далее вольный перевод, ссылки на оригинал ниже):
- "Сейчас у нас нет планов перерассматривать данную проблему."

После этого я отметил, что ранее модератор этого форума говорил другое:
- "Однако, TWI заявляли, что у них есть планы по удалению достижения "inb4 reset", т.к. те, кто получили его, уже также получили и другую внутриигровую награду. Они также говорили о том, что планиюут убрать достижения одиночной кампании, после того как смогут "перекинуть" их в одиночную версию игры."
- ссылка: https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846959998059743552/

Также здесь:
-"насколько я знаю, в наших планах удалить их из мультиплеер-клиента со следующим патчем."
- ссылка: https://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/forum/red-orchestra-2-rising-storm/ro2-rs-general/general-discussion-ab/100377-thead-about-development-time/page3?postcount=39 (это было 4 года назад)

Еще пример:
-"Мы пытаемся найти способ перенести эти достижения в одиночную игру. Если у нас получился, мы удалим их из многопользовательского клиента."
- ссылка: https://steamcommunity.com/app/35450/discussions/0/846954921845503939/

В итоге, после приведенных ссылок, Tripwire ответили мне следующее:
-"Лучший способ дать нам свою обратную связь, это присоединиться к обсуждению на форумах."

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Так что вот он я - стою перед вами, заботливо перевожу весь этот пост на русский язык и прошу вашей поддержки. Если вы поддерживаете удаление или перерассмотрение условий получения (для "In B4 Reset") неработающих достижений - оставьте свой комментарий поддержки в этой ветке. Можно "+1", можно что-то более развернутое, как вам угодно.

Я верю, что если мы сможем привлечь приличное число людей, то игру наконец-то сделают на 100% проходимой.

Извините за обилие букв, но я попытался выделить важную информацию, чтобы это не было похоже на нытье, и удалось привлечь людей к дискуссии.
Last edited by Pew-Pew; Nov 30, 2018 @ 8:34am
Originally posted by [TW]Wilsonam:
Originally posted by yao199 (UA):
Will it now unlock automatically upon getting the rest of 'em?

No - that would require us doing code changes, builds and updating the old game...

Also, seeing other questions: this is ONLY a possible solution for those who have 139/140 achievements at the moment - not taking account of other odd situations...
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Sgt. Hanley [29ID] Sep 24, 2018 @ 12:50pm 
yess! It took me hours to figure out how to edit the game's code in order to get the campaign back! I hate games that limit the achievements after they come out. Especially one's like the campaign or other gamemodes they get rid of. There is no excuse to delete singleplayer content!

Please help restore this game and other's like it to their original glory!
The Selfish Meme Sep 24, 2018 @ 1:09pm 
broken achievements are bad, let them be fixed :pumpkinsam:
EldaBerry Sep 24, 2018 @ 1:16pm 
I hope the developers can take a moment to fully consider the issue for the players. It is a little disheartening to play something where no matter how well you do you can't really complete it. I'd be okay missing out on achievements because I lack skill, rather than it being unobtainable due to lack of interest in support.

I haven't played this game yet, but I do look forward to it and hopefully the achievement issue is straightened out before I do. (My game backlog is immense lol but I do factor the achievements when prioritizing what I play)

:GreenFurry: Please think about it! :GreenFurry:
EzequielV Sep 24, 2018 @ 1:40pm 
+1.

All available achievements should be obtainable or otherwise removed from the game.
Atlaimond Sep 24, 2018 @ 1:53pm 
Achievements purpose to unlock them. :fhappy::gearthumbsup:
Al Dante Sep 24, 2018 @ 2:01pm 
Red Orchestra Ostfront is also bugged, additionaly I've heard that Killing Floor has one broken achievement.
Would be great if they fixed those games, it's not like they are unplayable because of that, they are fun, but if achievements are implemented they should be possible for everyone to get.
Obi Want A Smokey Sep 24, 2018 @ 2:09pm 
+1

I don't do achievment hunting but wish to see others' enjoyment fullfilled
pek Sep 24, 2018 @ 3:18pm 
+1

Please, TW, listen the community and remove the single player achievements.
BoomerNoob Sep 24, 2018 @ 8:56pm 
Great post! Full support from me. While broken achievements don't really hurt the game itself, it is still part of it and should fully work.
I used the method you linked above to get all the SP achievements but would not care if they removed them altogether. I don't think anyone would be upset if they just removed In B4 Reset also. And if it is as easy as just a few clicks it should not interfere with any of the work they do.

I will tweet them this post and let them know that this is something the community wants to be resolved. Maybe they get a few more sales out of it from achievement hunters that did not want to purchase it before.
Last edited by BoomerNoob; Sep 24, 2018 @ 8:56pm
yao199 Sep 24, 2018 @ 11:37pm 
Thank you for this thread. Steam achievements have to be treated much more seriously by developers than they currently do and games shouldn't just be abandoned with a partially broken feature.
EVTOM Sep 25, 2018 @ 1:19am 
I didn't bought Rising Storm Vietnam because I was angry against broken achievments of Rising storm /RO2. Not possible to have 100% achievement is hard when you have played more then 800 hours in this game... If Tripwire do something to respect the players frustrated by these broeken achievement, i will reconsider to buy RS Vietnam....
A.M.R. Sep 25, 2018 @ 1:46am 
+1
kamikaze62 Sep 25, 2018 @ 1:51am 
+1 remove or fixe broken achievements please.

I haven't played this game yet, but if achievements are broken I don't know I will try it soon and if I do and achievements are still broken it will be certainly a negative review on ma curator's page.
When I buy a game, I consider that that has to work entierly achievements including !

Gnubbolo Sep 25, 2018 @ 3:12am 
+1
Letenko Sep 25, 2018 @ 5:19am 
+1 While I don't own the game, broken achievements need fixing!
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