Steam Link beta build 484 :: Steam Link Discussioni generali

slouken

28 gen 2016, ore 13:23

Messaggio originale di Slice:
Please Fix AMD problems with Encode, at least inform us about progression.

Slice, what problems are you having with AMD encode?

#76

slouken

28 gen 2016, ore 13:25

Messaggio originale di GE:
I have for example 10 fps at desktop streaming.
They wrote at my support ticket, that i have to wait till they fix it. Some weeks no response now.

Desktop capture isn't hardware accelerated on Windows 7 and is very slow (10-20 FPS). The hardware accelerated capture APIs are only available on Windows 8 and newer.

What other issues do you have?

#77

TheTrippyHippie 28 gen 2016, ore 14:17

Messaggio originale di slouken:
Messaggio originale di GE:
I have for example 10 fps at desktop streaming.
They wrote at my support ticket, that i have to wait till they fix it. Some weeks no response now.

Desktop capture isn't hardware accelerated on Windows 7 and is very slow (10-20 FPS). The hardware accelerated capture APIs are only available on Windows 8 and newer.

What other issues do you have?

thats strange i have windows 10 pro and steam link only streams desktop at 10 fps with mouse point laggy and stuttery?

but if mouse is over the steam window mouse is smooth and not stuttery like on windows 10 pro desktop ..

spec are

i7 4770
HD7870
16gig ram

tried CPU, Intel and AMD hardware but makes not difference.

#78

GE 28 gen 2016, ore 15:24

Messaggio originale di slouken:
Messaggio originale di GE:
I have for example 10 fps at desktop streaming.
They wrote at my support ticket, that i have to wait till they fix it. Some weeks no response now.

Desktop capture isn't hardware accelerated on Windows 7 and is very slow (10-20 FPS). The hardware accelerated capture APIs are only available on Windows 8 and newer.

What other issues do you have?

My support ticket is 4428-ROGM-4473. I hope, that you are able to read it.

I have win 10 with 7950 crossfire and fx8350. My problems with steam link are 10 fps desktop streaming, some games locks to 30 fps and some multi monitor issues.

#79

slouken

28 gen 2016, ore 15:40

Messaggio originale di SteveVnickS:
Messaggio originale di slouken:

Desktop capture isn't hardware accelerated on Windows 7 and is very slow (10-20 FPS). The hardware accelerated capture APIs are only available on Windows 8 and newer.

What other issues do you have?

thats strange i have windows 10 pro and steam link only streams desktop at 10 fps with mouse point laggy and stuttery?

but if mouse is over the steam window mouse is smooth and not stuttery like on windows 10 pro desktop ..

spec are

i7 4770
HD7870
16gig ram

tried CPU, Intel and AMD hardware but makes not difference.

If Big Picture has focus then we do internal hardware accelerated capture. I wonder if it's a GPU scheduling problem where the hardware accelerated encoding doesn't run fast if Steam doesn't have focus? Does it improve if you turn off hardware accelerated encoding?

Can you post a link to the Steam logs/streaming_logs.txt?

#80

Dangerous 28 gen 2016, ore 16:13

I'm still seeing the cursor in games where it should be hidden. It's especially noticable in first person games that use the right stick (or Steam Controller pad) as the camera.

#81

TheTrippyHippie 28 gen 2016, ore 16:24

Messaggio originale di slouken:
Messaggio originale di SteveVnickS:

thats strange i have windows 10 pro and steam link only streams desktop at 10 fps with mouse point laggy and stuttery?

but if mouse is over the steam window mouse is smooth and not stuttery like on windows 10 pro desktop ..

spec are

i7 4770
HD7870
16gig ram

tried CPU, Intel and AMD hardware but makes not difference.

If Big Picture has focus then we do internal hardware accelerated capture. I wonder if it's a GPU scheduling problem where the hardware accelerated encoding doesn't run fast if Steam doesn't have focus? Does it improve if you turn off hardware accelerated encoding?

Can you post a link to the Steam logs/streaming_logs.txt?

does not seem to make any difference off or on ..

it's done this since the first day i bought steam link so i thought thats just how it was.

i will post the steaming log to the link.

#82

TheTrippyHippie 28 gen 2016, ore 16:39

dont know where to post a l;ink from lol so here a little bit of it

"GameNameID" "UNKNOWN"
"TimeSubmitted" "1454026330"
"ResolutionX" "1920"
"ResolutionY" "1080"
"CaptureDescriptionID" "Desktop DWM NV12 + libx264 main (8 threads)"
"DecoderDescriptionID" "Marvell hardware decoding"
"BandwidthLimit" "30000"
"FramerateLimit" "0"
"SlowGamePercent" "0"
"SlowCapturePercent" "0"
"SlowConvertPercent" "0"
"SlowEncodePercent" "0"
"SlowNetworkPercent" "0"
"SlowDecodePercent" "0"
"SlowDisplayPercent" "0"
"AvgClientBitrate" "10.389369964599609"
"StdDevClientBitrate" "15.001858711242676"
"AvgServerBitrate" "859.66363525390625"
"StdDevServerBitrate" "0"
"AvgLinkBandwidth" "100000.0078125"
"AvgPingMS" "0.011345358565449715"
"StdDevPingMS" "0.072753496468067169"
"AvgCaptureMS" "0.38332921266555786"
"StdDevCaptureMS" "0.15863613784313202"
"AvgConvertMS" "0.0027288689743727446"
"StdDevConvertMS" "0.0058477506972849369"
"AvgEncodeMS" "4.9687423706054687"
"StdDevEncodeMS" "0.76760357618331909"
"AvgNetworkMS" "2.9898109436035156"
"StdDevNetworkMS" "2.6701641082763672"
"AvgDecodeMS" "1.2185018062591553"
"StdDevDecodeMS" "0.21048377454280853"
"AvgDisplayMS" "0.012033167295157909"
"StdDevDisplayMS" "0.028229124844074249"
"AvgFrameMS" "13.007702827453613"
"StdDevFrameMS" "3.0674300193786621"
"AvgFPS" "26.855804443359375"
"StdDevFPS" "11.565486907958984"
"BigPicture" "1"
"KeyboardMouseInput" "0"
"GameControllerInput" "0"
"SteamControllerInput" "1"
}

[2016-01-29 00:12:10] >>> Capture method set to Steam D3D10 NV12 + libx264 main (8 threads)
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlHideCursor
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlSetCursor
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlVideoEncoderInfo
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlSetControllerSettings
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlSetControllerSettings
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlSetActivity
[2016-01-29 00:12:10] CLIENT: Got control packet k_EStreamControlSetControllerPairingEnabled
[2016-01-29 00:12:12] X264: VBV underflow (frame 11199, -2328 bits)

[2016-01-29 00:12:12] X264: VBV underflow (frame 11201, -7464 bits)

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[2016-01-29 00:12:45] X264: VBV underflow (frame 13195, -1480 bits)

[2016-01-29 00:12:56] Audio mix: start=194440521, returned=25922400
[2016-01-29 00:12:56] Audio source [System Windows]: init=194482831, through=25922991, last_start=25922511, mixed=2880000, drop_before=0, drop_after=0
[2016-01-29 00:12:58] X264: VBV underflow (frame 13968, -19600 bits)

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[2016-01-29 00:13:24] Changing record window: 00020188
[2016-01-29 00:13:24] "SessionStats"
{

#83

slouken

28 gen 2016, ore 18:44

Messaggio originale di SteveVnickS:
dont know where to post a l;ink from lol so here a little bit of it

"GameNameID" "UNKNOWN"
"TimeSubmitted" "1454026330"
"ResolutionX" "1920"
"ResolutionY" "1080"
"CaptureDescriptionID" "Desktop DWM NV12 + libx264 main (8 threads)"
"DecoderDescriptionID" "Marvell hardware decoding"
"AvgFrameMS" "13.007702827453613"
"StdDevFrameMS" "3.0674300193786621"
"AvgFPS" "26.855804443359375"
"StdDevFPS" "11.565486907958984"
}
{

So this log is basically saying that everything is totally fine, your desktop just isn't generating frames very fast. Windows has an optimization where it won't capture anything if there's nothing changed on the monitor. In that case Steam will still send frames, but only at 10 FPS, which is probably what people are seeing.

What happens if you open a web browser playing a video or something?

#84

slouken

28 gen 2016, ore 18:45

Messaggio originale di Dangerous:
I'm still seeing the cursor in games where it should be hidden. It's especially noticable in first person games that use the right stick (or Steam Controller pad) as the camera.

Do you have specific games that have this problem? What operating system is your host PC running?

#85

Dangerous 28 gen 2016, ore 19:06

Messaggio originale di slouken:
Messaggio originale di Dangerous:
I'm still seeing the cursor in games where it should be hidden. It's especially noticable in first person games that use the right stick (or Steam Controller pad) as the camera.

Do you have specific games that have this problem? What operating system is your host PC running?

Host: Mac OS 10.11.3

Affected Games: CS:GO, Portal 2, Talos Principle, Never Alone,Nidhogg, Castle Crashers, Papo and Yo, Amnesia, Psychonauts

#86

HackerOperJP 28 gen 2016, ore 19:44

Has anyone been having artifact issues? Its really noticeable in games like The Witcher 3, Dragon's Dogma, and Metal Gear Solid V . I tried enabling/disabling the hardware encoding options but nothing changed.

System Specs:
Windows 10
i7-3842 @ 3.60 GHz
16 GB DDR3
GTX 980 TI

#87

GE 28 gen 2016, ore 21:26

Messaggio originale di slouken:
Messaggio originale di SteveVnickS:
dont know where to post a l;ink from lol so here a little bit of it

"GameNameID" "UNKNOWN"
"TimeSubmitted" "1454026330"
"ResolutionX" "1920"
"ResolutionY" "1080"
"CaptureDescriptionID" "Desktop DWM NV12 + libx264 main (8 threads)"
"DecoderDescriptionID" "Marvell hardware decoding"
"AvgFrameMS" "13.007702827453613"
"StdDevFrameMS" "3.0674300193786621"
"AvgFPS" "26.855804443359375"
"StdDevFPS" "11.565486907958984"
}
{

So this log is basically saying that everything is totally fine, your desktop just isn't generating frames very fast. Windows has an optimization where it won't capture anything if there's nothing changed on the monitor. In that case Steam will still send frames, but only at 10 FPS, which is probably what people are seeing.

What happens if you open a web browser playing a video or something?

I have tried now everything:
- Desktop, Browser, any other programs and Windows store Apps have always 10 fps.
- The fps only increase to 30 fps, if i open a video or a game like solitaire. Windowed or fullscreen doesn't matter.

Ultima modifica da GE; 28 gen 2016, ore 21:30

#88

slouken

28 gen 2016, ore 21:39

Messaggio originale di GE:
Messaggio originale di slouken:

So this log is basically saying that everything is totally fine, your desktop just isn't generating frames very fast. Windows has an optimization where it won't capture anything if there's nothing changed on the monitor. In that case Steam will still send frames, but only at 10 FPS, which is probably what people are seeing.

What happens if you open a web browser playing a video or something?
I have tried now everything:
- Desktop, Browser, any other programs and Windows store Apps have always 10 fps.
- The fps only increase to 30 fps, if i open a video or a game like solitaire. Windowed or fullscreen doesn't matter.

Yup, I think that's just the optimization of Windows not drawing data that hasn't changed. You're still going to get 30 FPS for content rendering at 30 FPS and 60 FPS for content rendering at 60 FPS. I don't think it's an issue. I know we're trained to think about more FPS better, but if nothing is actually changing it's better to lower the framerate to reduce the bandwidth being used by streaming.

Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding!

Ultima modifica da slouken; 28 gen 2016, ore 21:40

#89

GE 28 gen 2016, ore 21:57

Messaggio originale di slouken:
Messaggio originale di GE:
I have tried now everything:
- Desktop, Browser, any other programs and Windows store Apps have always 10 fps.
- The fps only increase to 30 fps, if i open a video or a game like solitaire. Windowed or fullscreen doesn't matter.

Yup, I think that's just the optimization of Windows not drawing data that hasn't changed. You're still going to get 30 FPS for content rendering at 30 FPS and 60 FPS for content rendering at 60 FPS. I don't think it's an issue. I know we're trained to think about more FPS better, but if nothing is actually changing it's better to lower the framerate to reduce the bandwidth being used by streaming.

Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding!

Mouse does a little bit stuttering, but it isn't a big problem.
I just don't understand, why i got 60 fps at older builds.
Probably it is just a illusion, but if you see that you fall down from 60 fps to 10 fps after a update...

I have another question. Is it planned to add controller mapping for games without controller support via steam for standard xinput controllers?

Ultima modifica da GE; 28 gen 2016, ore 22:21

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