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Tune 2015 年 6 月 7 日 下午 11:50
Steam Controller Bluetooth compatible?
I am unclear as to whether this controller will support bluetooth protocol. If it does which version i have read conflicting articles and the hardware specification does not state specifically which wireless protocol it will support. I REALLY HOPE IT IS COMPATABLE WITH BLUETOOTH! I have dongles up the yin yang and bluetooth would be ideal. I'm not going to get it unless it supports bluetooth!
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Ferk 2018 年 6 月 4 日 上午 1:34 
引用自 Zeke Polaris
To the first question, the people that created bluetooth says this them selfs.

The people that created bluetooth say it IS a standard.
I cannot find anywhere any reference of them saying otherwise.
Please do offer us a link to show us where do the creators of bluetooth say that 4.0 and BLE are not standards.

引用自 Zeke Polaris
And I never said, stander

And I never said you said that. Please read me.
What I said is that "stander" is not a verb.
If "stander" was a verb, then "standered" (what you said) would be a valid word.

引用自 Zeke Polaris
And old devices can't support new bluetooth services...

Exactly, there might still be very old chipsets that don't support it.
And just like I said, whether or not this happens has nothing to do with it being a standard.
Maybe you didn't read that either.


引用自 Zeke Polaris
NO ONE ANSWERS LEGIT!!!

The issue is that you have made a statement that was blatantly false: "It's not really standered since it is BLE"

If people did actually agree with what you said then their answer would NOT be legit.

If your chipset does not support the bluetooth 4.0 or 5.0 standards then you cannot use BLE (and you cannot do anything about that other that getting a proper new chipset or just don't use bluetooth for the controller). But that doesn't mean BLE is not a standard.

The Steam controller uses mesh networking. This requires BLE features which is only supported in the bluetooth 4.0 specs and up, according to the bluetooth creators themselves: https://bluetooth.service-now.com/ess/knowledge.do?sysparm_document_key=kb_knowledge,1371d333133372004a0b50622244b079

BLE *is* a *bluetooth* *standard*, introduced in 4.0 by the Bluetooth creators in 2010.
You are spreading misinformation if you say otherwise.
最後修改者:Ferk; 2018 年 6 月 4 日 上午 2:32
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 6 月 5 日 上午 11:10 
引用自 DirtyCamper
Please guys, don't let me regret resurrecting this old thread.
BLE works, and over 90% of phones should support BLE.
BLE has been part of the bluetooth standard before the SC was a thing. BLE is not compatible with BR or EDR BT, but you don't have to support both to be called BT compatible.
BLE uses a simpler modulation scheme, problably one of the things needed to have a lower latency.
So yes, SC is BT compatible, but it might not be compatible with your BT.
To be honest: I wonder how that's still possible... I know I had a hard timing searching for a BT (non BLE) HRM because my phone did not support BLE, back in 2011... My 2014 and newer phones all had BLE.
That's what I am saying. It works just fine for me. But I was just wondering of something about it. But everyone is just being too stupid to give a legit reply.
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 6 月 5 日 上午 11:10 
引用自 Ferk
引用自 Zeke Polaris
To the first question, the people that created bluetooth says this them selfs.

The people that created bluetooth say it IS a standard.
I cannot find anywhere any reference of them saying otherwise.
Please do offer us a link to show us where do the creators of bluetooth say that 4.0 and BLE are not standards.

引用自 Zeke Polaris
And I never said, stander

And I never said you said that. Please read me.
What I said is that "stander" is not a verb.
If "stander" was a verb, then "standered" (what you said) would be a valid word.

引用自 Zeke Polaris
And old devices can't support new bluetooth services...

Exactly, there might still be very old chipsets that don't support it.
And just like I said, whether or not this happens has nothing to do with it being a standard.
Maybe you didn't read that either.


引用自 Zeke Polaris
NO ONE ANSWERS LEGIT!!!

The issue is that you have made a statement that was blatantly false: "It's not really standered since it is BLE"

If people did actually agree with what you said then their answer would NOT be legit.

If your chipset does not support the bluetooth 4.0 or 5.0 standards then you cannot use BLE (and you cannot do anything about that other that getting a proper new chipset or just don't use bluetooth for the controller). But that doesn't mean BLE is not a standard.

The Steam controller uses mesh networking. This requires BLE features which is only supported in the bluetooth 4.0 specs and up, according to the bluetooth creators themselves: https://bluetooth.service-now.com/ess/knowledge.do?sysparm_document_key=kb_knowledge,1371d333133372004a0b50622244b079

BLE *is* a *bluetooth* *standard*, introduced in 4.0 by the Bluetooth creators in 2010.
You are spreading misinformation if you say otherwise.
Stop being so stupid. This got nothing to do with my issue.
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 6 月 5 日 上午 11:12 
My phone doesn't use BTE, and yet I am still able to use it. So again. Your replies means nothing. As this isn't the issue I am having. LEARN ENGLISH BEFORE YOU SPEAK TROLLS!!!
Tune 2018 年 6 月 5 日 下午 4:19 
Well im glad that we have this cleared up and that Steam Controller does not NATIVELY support BlueTooth!
figmentPez 2018 年 6 月 5 日 下午 4:53 
引用自 KOZ♍
Well im glad that we have this cleared up and that Steam Controller does not NATIVELY support BlueTooth!

Except for the fact that it does, after the latest firmware update. (Unless you want to get into an argument about what "native support" means.) After the firmware update, the Steam Controller itself uses Bluetooth. It doesn't require an intermediary device to translate into Bluetooth. It's not running some sort of Bluetooth emulation (the chips that run it's wireless were originally designed for Bluetooth, if anything the proprietary dongle and that format are the non-native implementation).

Bluetooth is as native to the Steam Controller as putting Windows on an x86 computer that used to run Linux. In this case, both Windows and Linux run natively on x86 processors. Doesn't matter which was installed on the system out of the factory, that's not what native means in the computing world.
Ferk 2018 年 6 月 6 日 上午 9:05 
引用自 Zeke Polaris
Stop being so stupid. This got nothing to do with my issue.

It has to do with your previous comment where you stated that the controller does not follow the bluetooth standard.

I was not aware you have an issue. If you do have an issue please explain your issue properly and maybe then we can help.


引用自 Zeke Polaris
My phone doesn't use BTE, and yet I am still able to use it. So again. Your replies means nothing. As this isn't the issue I am having. LEARN ENGLISH BEFORE YOU SPEAK TROLLS!!!

As said multiple times: BLE is part of the bluetooth 4.0 (and up) standard.

If your phone has bluetooth and isn't over 5 years old it's very likely it'll support 4.0 and thus BLE. They started making 4.0 compatible phones back in 2011. Bluetooth is also generally better supported on phones than on PCs.

Please listen to your own advice and do read things before you write. I don't think anybody has understood what your issue is, maybe you are the one who needs to explain himself better.
最後修改者:Ferk; 2018 年 6 月 6 日 上午 9:49
Ferk 2018 年 6 月 6 日 上午 9:14 
引用自 KOZ♍
Well im glad that we have this cleared up and that Steam Controller does not NATIVELY support BlueTooth!

It does.
Once you update the firmware.

BLE is bluetooth.
It's a mode in which bluetooth consumes less energy and has a few additional functions. BLE is a feature that was introduced with Bluetooth 4.0.
最後修改者:Ferk; 2018 年 6 月 6 日 上午 9:15
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 6 月 7 日 下午 1:10 
Spamming like that will not give any proof. And again you didn't even read what I was saying... So there for you can't be talking sh**. Troll.
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 6 月 7 日 下午 1:11 
引用自 KOZ♍
Well im glad that we have this cleared up and that Steam Controller does not NATIVELY support BlueTooth!
BUT IT DOES!!!! I BEEN USING IT!!! None of you guys even read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Teknocat 2018 年 7 月 5 日 上午 10:35 
So, in your face to all the reasons why BLE would be no good for a game controller! Valve just went ahead and enabled it with a firmware update! And it works great, no latency issues at all. I now use BLE when I connect my controller directly to the computer and just keep the dongle connected to the Steam link, so that it's easy to switch between devices without having to move the dongle or re-pair. I just have to turn the controller on with the appropriate button held down to tell it whether to start in BLE or RF mode.

I tested it playing fast-paced FPS games and it worked just as well as using the RF dongle.

This solves a lot of problems, like losing your dongle or using it with a laptop that has no more standard USB ports (hello MacBook), plus it means you can pair it with an iPad or Android to use it with the Steam Link app (once that gets released). Not sure how good that is going to be for gaming experience, given I have an iPad mini, but it does mean I could game in bed! Now if only Steam could stream games over the internet, so that I could leave my computer on at home and game while traveling, so long as I have wifi. That would be pretty cool.
figmentPez 2018 年 7 月 5 日 上午 11:14 
引用自 Teknocat
and just keep the dongle connected to the Steam link, so that it's easy to switch between devices without having to move the dongle or re-pair.

Did you know that the Steam Link has the built-in capability to communicate with the SC over the proprietary wireless standard? You never had to move the dongle. And you could always cycle between pairings.

Also, you might not be experiencing latency problems, but other people are reporting having issues. I imagine it's down to inconsistent implementations of Bluetooth. The poor implementation of standards has been a plague on computers since the first home PC. I don't blame Valve at all for not wanting to have to deal with all those problems if they could avoid it.
最後修改者:figmentPez; 2018 年 7 月 5 日 上午 11:14
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 7 月 5 日 下午 1:15 
引用自 figmentPez
引用自 Teknocat
and just keep the dongle connected to the Steam link, so that it's easy to switch between devices without having to move the dongle or re-pair.

Did you know that the Steam Link has the built-in capability to communicate with the SC over the proprietary wireless standard? You never had to move the dongle. And you could always cycle between pairings.

Also, you might not be experiencing latency problems, but other people are reporting having issues. I imagine it's down to inconsistent implementations of Bluetooth. The poor implementation of standards has been a plague on computers since the first home PC. I don't blame Valve at all for not wanting to have to deal with all those problems if they could avoid it.
No issues besides one. Every time I connect it too another device it forgets it's self in another device forcing me to remove the drivers and resinstall them. Is there a way to fixx this so I don't have to redo everything? Thanks in advanced.
̸∀η⊥ḯ telegram² 2018 年 7 月 5 日 下午 1:16 
引用自 Teknocat
So, in your face to all the reasons why BLE would be no good for a game controller! Valve just went ahead and enabled it with a firmware update! And it works great, no latency issues at all. I now use BLE when I connect my controller directly to the computer and just keep the dongle connected to the Steam link, so that it's easy to switch between devices without having to move the dongle or re-pair. I just have to turn the controller on with the appropriate button held down to tell it whether to start in BLE or RF mode.

I tested it playing fast-paced FPS games and it worked just as well as using the RF dongle.

This solves a lot of problems, like losing your dongle or using it with a laptop that has no more standard USB ports (hello MacBook), plus it means you can pair it with an iPad or Android to use it with the Steam Link app (once that gets released). Not sure how good that is going to be for gaming experience, given I have an iPad mini, but it does mean I could game in bed! Now if only Steam could stream games over the internet, so that I could leave my computer on at home and game while traveling, so long as I have wifi. That would be pretty cool.
RF mode? Is that the dongle?
figmentPez 2018 年 7 月 5 日 下午 1:24 
引用自 Zeke Polaris
No issues besides one. Every time I connect it too another device it forgets it's self in another device forcing me to remove the drivers and resinstall them. Is there a way to fixx this so I don't have to redo everything? Thanks in advanced.

You've given me virtually no information that would be necessary to solve your problem. Sorry. Try starting a new thread that better describes your issues. Your tech support is off-topic here.
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