Is the gyro MANDATORY for success in the FPS genre?

[shibby]

Really struggling with this thing.

Been a KB/M user since Quake DM days (Q1). Found it difficult when everyone started moving to Counter Strike (much lower sensitivity - no where near as much reliance on vertical axis), but eventually got it down okay.

Then came Halo and Halo 2, and after many mega co-op multiplayer sessions, I became pretty ace at that too in slayer matches. Originally, I used the left stick for looking (as I'm left handed), but eventually changed to the conventional layout as not all games supported my left-handedness. Again, the switch was difficult, but eventually I managed.

More recently, I've been playing BLOPS 3 with an XONE controller, and doing relatively okay. Definitely struggling against KB/M'ers, but still getting enough kills to be satisfied (thanks overbearing aim-assist).

Then I switched to the Steam Controller. Holy crap am I bad at this thing. I loaded the most recommended community profile and tinkered with it for hours... but it was night and day when I swapped back to the XONE controller.

I think the main problem is that I hate the gyro. I've always liked getting to grips with new control schemes, but gyro just doesn't work for me. It feels floaty, and I feel incredibly awkward with it.

I'm happy to put the time into this controller, even if it takes weeks getting it down to a decent level, but I really don't want to use gyro. Just how critical is it to success with the FPS genre?
Has anyone managed to do okay without it? Is there a decent alternative?

Or, in the end..


TLDR;

Do I just need to bite the bullet and get comfortable with the gyro if I want to stand a chance online in FPS'?

[No Aim Assist Player]

Every one will have their differnces. after 300 hours the gyro is pretty much the way to go for fps now, its a bit unstable, youll get used to it. i have mininum movement threshold maxed because i like to keep my thumb on the pad, some like to let their thumb hover.

Though im sure many are expinceing drifting, can be fixed by restarting the controller but still annoying in the middle of a round. currntly CSGO and my SC are going a bit mad xD.

[cammelspit]

The auto movement drifting was a big problem in OCT when I got mine. Now though. I only need to re calibrate the gyros once every few sessions and it always lasts a whole gaming session. The way to do it perfectly is to just set it down on the floor or a table and wait about 10 seconds. Even it the gyros are not set to always on this re calibrates the gyros perfectly well. AS you can see by my video I posted earlier in this thread even a mouse only driven game like HOTD is a dream to play with the gyros. I add gyros to configs even if I dont use them for actual game play because they are so accurate. I will use them for menu navigation if I can. As many have stated before, these are not your Wii motion controls, these are a true pointing device that certainly rivals a mouse in the right hands. I have taken to resting the controller on my lap to reduce and gyro noise introduced my my own hands and that seems to step it up in terms of usability, especially for long gaming sessions of 3-4 hours or more..

[BrotherO4]

lots of people use low sen for gyro but for i have it set pretty normale speed....i say just use both and it will feel normal to do so. the reason i have normal sen on my gyro is so i dont swing my hand across but it use my normal reaction of moving my control to improve my aim

[Elwood Hirsch]

long story short, gyro is awesome. Why not use it?

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

Manditory? no

Does it help significantly? yes

The touchpads are still far more accurate and easier to aim with than sticks. So just go with those if you dont like the gyro.

It is worth noting there are a ton of options to change the way the gyro feels, and ive never come across a single game where the top community profile was anything I could even remotly use. The best way Ive found to use it is to set it to turn on with the left trigger's soft pull and set the full pull to the actual trigger. That way it feels natural as you already assosiate the left trigger for aiming, a soft pull lets you start the gyro and a full pull goes into iron sights

Also if you set aim to use Xinput's trigger instead of RMB, you get that aim assist back. Food for thought.

[cammelspit]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Manditory? no

Does it help significantly? yes

The touchpads are still far more accurate and easier to aim with than sticks. So just go with those if you dont like the gyro.

It is worth noting there are a ton of options to change the way the gyro feels, and ive never come across a single game where the top community profile was anything I could even remotly use. The best way Ive found to use it is to set it to turn on with the left trigger's soft pull and set the full pull to the actual trigger. That way it feels natural as you already assosiate the left trigger for aiming, a soft pull lets you start the gyro and a full pull goes into iron sights

Also if you set aim to use Xinput's trigger instead of RMB, you get that aim assist back. Food for thought.

I havent tried that specific style yet. What games u use that way, mostly all of them? Cuz I would like to try it out. Also, have you made public and of ur configs like this? I am always looking for new and innovative uses for the SCs control surfaces.

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von cammelspit:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Manditory? no

Does it help significantly? yes

The touchpads are still far more accurate and easier to aim with than sticks. So just go with those if you dont like the gyro.

It is worth noting there are a ton of options to change the way the gyro feels, and ive never come across a single game where the top community profile was anything I could even remotly use. The best way Ive found to use it is to set it to turn on with the left trigger's soft pull and set the full pull to the actual trigger. That way it feels natural as you already assosiate the left trigger for aiming, a soft pull lets you start the gyro and a full pull goes into iron sights

Also if you set aim to use Xinput's trigger instead of RMB, you get that aim assist back. Food for thought.

I havent tried that specific style yet. What games u use that way, mostly all of them? Cuz I would like to try it out. Also, have you made public and of ur configs like this? I am always looking for new and innovative uses for the SCs control surfaces.

I use this with all of my FPS games where I dont need to use the dual stage triggers for something else. Then its usually on R-pad touch since im VERY used to having gyro on.

I have profiles using this style available for Fallout 4, Vampire Masquerade Bloodlines, Black Ops 3... and one or two others I cant quite recall off the top of my head.

Best thing you can do is find a control style that works for you and just reuse it for each game, making slight tweaks where needed. I never even bother with community profiles.

[cammelspit]

Oh I do certainly have my favorites for sure. :) though like I said I like using different configs from others as much as I can. Maybe they have come up with a thing I didnt think of that I might like even more. If you look through my personal configs you see two games that play almost the same will sometimes have radically different styles of config, thats just how I do.

[No Aim Assist Player]

The drifiting issues are random for me, can last for 2 mins or 20 mins till ive got to recalibrate it. some times its ever so small that after 10 mins training ill notice its moved 10 degrees either thats or theres some hardware accerlation at play.

The dual stage trigger is great on the left with holding breath for snipers - havnt really used it for the right side.

I started playing CSGO with just the touchpad problem is i found i kept running out of pad and the gyro makes following around corners easier, in the end the gyro became the way to go for me but i have use the SC for 300 hours in fps, its just expeince and fildding what feels best for you.

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

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The drifiting issues are random for me, can last for 2 mins or 20 mins till ive got to recalibrate it. some times its ever so small that after 10 mins training ill notice its moved 10 degrees either thats or theres some hardware accerlation at play.

The dual stage trigger is great on the left with holding breath for snipers - havnt really used it for the right side.

I started playing CSGO with just the touchpad problem is i found i kept running out of pad and the gyro makes following around corners easier, in the end the gyro became the way to go for me but i have use the SC for 300 hours in fps atm.

Set edge speed higher, that way when you reach the edge it continues to move. Mess with the speed till it feels right. Had the same issues before I started using the edge scroll.

[No Aim Assist Player]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pandemic - ﮎteamController -:

The drifiting issues are random for me, can last for 2 mins or 20 mins till ive got to recalibrate it. some times its ever so small that after 10 mins training ill notice its moved 10 degrees either thats or theres some hardware accerlation at play.

The dual stage trigger is great on the left with holding breath for snipers - havnt really used it for the right side.

I started playing CSGO with just the touchpad problem is i found i kept running out of pad and the gyro makes following around corners easier, in the end the gyro became the way to go for me but i have use the SC for 300 hours in fps atm.

Set edge speed higher, that way when you reach the edge it continues to move. Mess with the speed till it feels right. Had the same issues before I started using the edge scroll.

I tried that before it doesnt work well when fast reactions are needed, but then i havent spent huge amount of hours set up ike that, so it could be a viable methord. so far the gyro has given me the best consistance performance in CSGO.

[A Regular Italian Plumber]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pandemic - ﮎteamController -:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Set edge speed higher, that way when you reach the edge it continues to move. Mess with the speed till it feels right. Had the same issues before I started using the edge scroll.

I tried that before it doesnt work well when fast reactions are needed, but then i havent spent huge amount of hours set up ike that, so it could be a viable methord. so far the gyro has given me the best consistance performance in CSGO.

Have you learned to throw the camera yet with the trackball setting? If you use gyro for fine aiming with practice you can flick the crosshairs between targets while being able to do a 360 if need be. Takes alot of practice and you need to fix the mouse rotation so your natural swipe is totally horizontal but its a pretty solid way to play twitch shooters.

[cammelspit]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HeWhosKnownAsIAm:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pandemic - ﮎteamController -:

I tried that before it doesnt work well when fast reactions are needed, but then i havent spent huge amount of hours set up ike that, so it could be a viable methord. so far the gyro has given me the best consistance performance in CSGO.

Have you learned to throw the camera yet with the trackball setting? If you use gyro for fine aiming with practice you can flick the crosshairs between targets while being able to do a 360 if need be. Takes alot of practice and you need to fix the mouse rotation so your natural swipe is totally horizontal but its a pretty solid way to play twitch shooters.

You can also use vertical sensitivity scale. Make it LOW and that will limit the vertical movement. From there the gyros let you zero in and do vertical aiming thats usually my most accurate configurations. Another thing you can do is drop the mouse sensitivity in the game itself as low as it goes and then use the sensitivity in the SC config menu. This gives the game more DPI to work with. Works a treat on nearly anything I have used with it.

[Elwood Hirsch]

The SC with it's gyro feels so much more natural than KB/M. SC is much more ergonomic than a KB/M. The SC is just an overall better experience than my once beloved G710+ and G502.

The gyro function has spoiled me, I expect nothing less from a PC controller henceforth. If you don't use the gyro you are depriving yourself of one of the best features that the SC has to offer IMO.

[Elwood Hirsch]

Understand that gyro mouse and trackpad trackball mouse can be utilized at exactly the same time, both inputs separately guiding to your intended target.