Right Analog as Joystick Movement and Left Pad as Mouse Mode Aren't Working Together

[Cedarson]

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong. I just found that the analog stick works for movement and the touch pad works for looking in mouse mode, but they don't work together. For example, I can run using the analog stick, and I can look using the trackpad, but I can't do both at the same time. It looks like the system recognizes I'm using a gamepad when I use the analog stick and thinks I'm using a mouse when I use the trackpad so it's constantly switching between the two. This practically makes fps and 3rd person games unplayable. So far, I've tried Arkham Knight, COD Ghosts, and several other games. All with the same outcome.

[God Ginrai]

That might be a particular bug with the games you are playing. When I use Joystick as Joystick Move and right pad as Mouselook in Valkyria Chronicles, I can move the camera and my character simultaneously.

[Cedarson]

I see. Just to be clear, mine works together with Joystick Look mode, but not with Mouse mode.

[God Ginrai]

Yea, I'm using mouse mode for VC.

[Cedarson]

Strange. I tried it again with Arkham Knight. It is deifnitely switching between Gamepad and Mouse/Keyboard mode when right trackpad is touched. When I move the trackpad to look at a ledge to grab, the prompt changes from "A Button" to "F Key".

[joeoshock]

Yep, I get the same with Tomb Raider (2013)... completely unusable. Needs to be fixed fast.... how has this not come up before now? Wasn't this tested for like a year!

[God Ginrai]

Originally posted by joeoshock:

Yep, I get the same with Tomb Raider (2013)... completely unusable. Needs to be fixed fast.... how has this not come up before now? Wasn't this tested for like a year!

It might not be possible for Valve to "fix" those games. It could easily be that those games are coded in such a way that they ignore one method of input while you are using another. (ignoring the gamepad if you are using the mouse, etc.)

[joeoshock]

Originally posted by God Ginrai:

It might not be possible for Valve to "fix" those games. It could easily be that those games are coded in such a way that they ignore one method of input while you are using another. (ignoring the gamepad if you are using the mouse, etc.)

Really? This thing is useless then!... the right pad does not work at all in 'stick emulator' mode. It's really laggy and awful.. with very limited options for fixing it. They might have a major problem on their hands. The whole point is to use the pad like a mouse, whilst having the stick and contort of a controller on the left...

[landman]

Yep, that's a thing of many games, they don't like controller + mouse, be it real controller and mouse or be it emulated with the steam controller. In those games you are forced to use either the atrocious right joystick emulation or remap all the KB+M buttons, losing analog walk and controller button prompts.

There is hope that future games will make a better use of this controller, but Valve should work on better drivers too.

[God Ginrai]

Originally posted by joeoshock:

Originally posted by God Ginrai:

It might not be possible for Valve to "fix" those games. It could easily be that those games are coded in such a way that they ignore one method of input while you are using another. (ignoring the gamepad if you are using the mouse, etc.)

Really? This thing is useless then!... the right pad does not work at all in 'stick emulator' mode. It's really laggy and awful.. with very limited options for fixing it. They might have a major problem on their hands. The whole point is to use the pad like a mouse, whilst having the stick and contort of a controller on the left...

You can treat the whole thing as keyboard and mouse for those games and there should be no problem. Getting the left stick to emulate wasd is fairly simple.

As for the stick emulation for the right pad, I can't comment on that since I haven't *wanted* a right stick for anything, but based on some conversation on this forum, it sounds like the defaults for it are not the greatest and it actually can work really well once configured correctly.

[joeoshock]

Originally posted by God Ginrai:

Originally posted by joeoshock:

Really? This thing is useless then!... the right pad does not work at all in 'stick emulator' mode. It's really laggy and awful.. with very limited options for fixing it. They might have a major problem on their hands. The whole point is to use the pad like a mouse, whilst having the stick and contort of a controller on the left...

You can treat the whole thing as keyboard and mouse for those games and there should be no problem. Getting the left stick to emulate wasd is fairly simple.

As for the stick emulation for the right pad, I can't comment on that since I haven't *wanted* a right stick for anything, but based on some conversation on this forum, it sounds like the defaults for it are not the greatest and it actually can work really well once configured correctly.

But then you'd have to map ALL the buttons.. manually? in the controller mode, they are already mapped. I've always used a x360 controller, I don't have to configure it for every game and that also means I don't know the keyboard binds for most games off the top of my head. Plus, it's an analogue stick, you can't 'walk' when it's in WSAD mode without using a modifier button. Using Tomb Raider as an example.. I think there was analogue movement in Tomb Raider 3! What a pain in the ass.

[God Ginrai]

Originally posted by joeoshock:

Originally posted by God Ginrai:

You can treat the whole thing as keyboard and mouse for those games and there should be no problem. Getting the left stick to emulate wasd is fairly simple.

As for the stick emulation for the right pad, I can't comment on that since I haven't *wanted* a right stick for anything, but based on some conversation on this forum, it sounds like the defaults for it are not the greatest and it actually can work really well once configured correctly.

But then you'd have to map ALL the buttons.. manually? in the controller mode, they are already mapped. I've always used a x360 controller, I don't have to configure it for every game and that also means I don't know the keyboard binds for most games off the top of my head. Plus, it's an analogue stick, you can't 'walk' when it's in WSAD mode without using a modifier button. Using Tomb Raider as an example.. I think there was analogue movement in Tomb Raider 3! What a pain in the ass.

Once more early adopters make profiles, you can borrow their profiles to remap less. This kind of stuff is to be expected with new products.

[Cedarson]

God Ginrai, if I'm reading you correctly, we can either lose the true mouse funcionality of the right trackpad by keeping it in Gamepad Mode, or we can lose the true analog functionality of the left thumbstick by keeping it in Keyboard Mode with WASD button reassignment. I hope that isn't the case. If it is, this controller is useless.

[God Ginrai]

Originally posted by Cedarson:

God Ginrai, if I'm reading you correctly, we can either lose the true mouse funcionality of the right trackpad by keeping it in Gamepad Mode, or we can lose the true analog functionality of the left thumbstick by keeping it in Keyboard Mode with WASD button reassignment. I hope that isn't the case. If it is, this controller is useless.

For those particular games that are coded badly, that would be the case. However, it does appear that the "directional pad" option has an "analog emulation" setting that may give you a compromise. I haven't used it, so I don't know what it actually does.

Also, that wouldn't exactly make the controller useless, since the controller still can work like a nicer mouse+keyboard, which is a big plus.

[Cedarson]

Originally posted by God Ginrai:

Originally posted by Cedarson:

God Ginrai, if I'm reading you correctly, we can either lose the true mouse funcionality of the right trackpad by keeping it in Gamepad Mode, or we can lose the true analog functionality of the left thumbstick by keeping it in Keyboard Mode with WASD button reassignment. I hope that isn't the case. If it is, this controller is useless.

For those particular games that are coded badly, that would be the case. However, it does appear that the "directional pad" option has an "analog emulation" setting that may give you a compromise. I haven't used it, so I don't know what it actually does.

Also, that wouldn't exactly make the controller useless, since the controller still can work like a nicer mouse+keyboard, which is a big plus.

Some people might find merit with it, but if it doesn't allow me to use analog, I'm going to use an XBox controller. If it doesn't allow me to use mouse, I'm going to use the keyboard/mouse. To me, it's pretty obsolete if it doesn't allow for analog stick + mouse look. I have better solutions for both. If it worked, then it really would be a great device. I hope they can fix it. I know it's early. For most of my games, though, it's going in a drawer.

[joeoshock]

Originally posted by Cedarson:

Originally posted by God Ginrai:

For those particular games that are coded badly, that would be the case. However, it does appear that the "directional pad" option has an "analog emulation" setting that may give you a compromise. I haven't used it, so I don't know what it actually does.

Also, that wouldn't exactly make the controller useless, since the controller still can work like a nicer mouse+keyboard, which is a big plus.

Some people might find merit with it, but if it doesn't allow me to use analog, I'm going to use an XBox controller. If it doesn't allow me to use mouse, I'm going to use the keyboard/mouse. To me, it's pretty obsolete if it doesn't allow for analog stick + mouse look. I have better solutions for both. If it worked, then it really would be a great device. I hope they can fix it. I know it's early. For most of my games, though, it's going in a drawer.

Indeed.. that's the whole selling point of it. I've just tried Portal 2, a game Valve specifically made a setup for controller.. and that's exactly how it works! Proper analogue stick on the left and the mouse on the right pad. Works pretty well. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I've played that game a few times!.. so that's not much use to me! Need that config enabled for all other FPS's please.