DS4 vs Steam Controller

[Exto]

I am reading everywhere that DS4 controller is best, then XBox 360, then XBox One controllers. Steam Controller on the other hand seems rated very badly.

For those that have purchased the controller, any reason why I wouldn't use my 4x DS4 controller over Steam Controller? I don't own any XBox controllers but DS4 controllers have been working out just fine on my PC.

[Mumblez]

Well put. The single biggest issue with sc is the learning curve. The first bit of learning feels like a wall, but once you get going, it gets much easier.

[Charlie]

引用自 Consona：

Hence reviews like that have no value for people who want to discover something and know-how. It much an entertainment service.
Clever and respectful reviewer gonna make as vast reserch on subject as he/she can and cover as much as one can in the verse. Not making a review just for personal opinion or popularity sake. The best review is impersonal.

Vast research does != covering every single feature. This whole notion that reviewers need to cover everything a product has to offer - I can guarantee there isn't a single Skyrim review that mentions every single side-mission in the game and what it entails. It would be an unecessary waste of time.

And saying the best reviews are 'impersonal' is a joke in the context of using a controller... Whether or not someone enjoys using a controller is largely going to depend on the ergonomics of the controller; that's personal... You cannot base how someone feels on the SC and make it 'impersonal'...

Trying to argue that subjective reviews cannot be taken seriously because they don't conform to a objective standard...
The most helpful positive review for the Steam Controller (right now) didn't mention the gyros, haptic feedback or tell us that it's customizable
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ScottCantu/recommended/353370/

- Whereas one of the negative reviews is over 14 pages long
http://steamcommunity.com/id/falcrion/recommended/353370/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x_wxfLUu15mSQkCpoJ_i1fIiKenYHG7w-XVRx5EtDjM/view?pref=2&pli=1

Who do you think put more research and time into the review...

引用自 APi：

Within reason yes, but to review a controller and then not mention a major option for, you know, CONTROL, is flat out lazy whether the review is good or bad. Imagine the xbox elite controller released with the same functionality, they'd be all over that ♥♥♥♥.

It isn't lazy, if said individual dislikes the SC for ergonomic reasons - button placement, size, trackpad etc... I very much doubt the gyro or any other feature would be a saving grace...

Loads of features/options != a good product

Again different opinions, now someone not mentioning x feature does not invalidate their opinion

I'm not saying every bad review is wrong either

You may not be but others have..

I think most reviews like that are either A: done by Microsoft paid people, for damage control, or B, done by people who use it for less than an hour, and say it sucks

there are a lot of legitimate reasons that recommending this controller is hard, simply because it's so much different and will take a lot of tweaking to get it right for you

Maybe so, there are probably those who only used it for a couple minutes and decided against it, there are probably those that also spent a considerable amount of time trying to like the product but simply couldn't... The controller costs money, it's in the buyers best interest to try and like the controller.

but if you do stick with it, it is without doubt the best controller for PC.

If you like it great, there will be those that don't - Different opinions

[Styromaniac]

引用自 Megabear：

I did, to show what the general public perceives. It doesn't mean that I believe a word. Bottom line: regardless of whether or not Steam Controller is a good product, until google search turns out more positive reviews/discussions toward the virtues of using SC, people will turn away from buying SC. That's just how media works with the public. That being said I may buy one.

I think you're the right kind of person for it. Just don't be surprised if any major bugs prevent you using one or two inputs like edge roll or double tap, or in the event that a really annoying one crops up like when Configure Controller used to crash 99% of the time. Over tiime, the SC will get better, maybe perfected, and it's a lovely thing that it has everything to do with Steam and the SC firmware instead of static hardware.

[DiamondPugs]

You shouldn't base yourself on internet "reviews" that marked the Steam controller as bad just because it was different like if that was a bad thing. Most of them failed to even mention half of the controller features. Lazy journalism if you ask me.

If you want real reviews you should check the user reviews. People that actually uses the controller. You can check the ones on the Steam store page, or you can see the ones on Amazon (LINK)[www.amazon.com]

If you check Amazon you can see that it gets mostly positive reviews and it is currently, March 3rd of the year 2016, the best selling PC gamepad on Amazon. I haven't used the DS4, but I own a 360 controller and a Logitech and I can tell you. The Steam controller is way superior to both by a lot. It is the best gamepad I've used to date and I use it to play all my games. Something that I wasn't able to say with other gamepads.

[APi]

引用自 GhostMotley - FINALLY LEO：

Trying to argue that subjective reviews cannot be taken seriously because they don't conform to a objective standard...
The most helpful positive review for the Steam Controller (right now) didn't mention the gyros, haptic feedback or tell us that it's customizable
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ScottCantu/recommended/353370/

I don't think we should be holding user reviews to the same standard as professional reviewers.

引用自 GhostMotley - FINALLY LEO：

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- Whereas one of the negative reviews is over 14 pages long
http://steamcommunity.com/id/falcrion/recommended/353370/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x_wxfLUu15mSQkCpoJ_i1fIiKenYHG7w-XVRx5EtDjM/view?pref=2&pli=1

Who do you think put more research and time into the review...

That's only a negative review if you stop reading at page one, probably why it has so many downvotes. Sure there are negative elements but overall it's neither here nor there.[/quote]

but if you do stick with it, it is without doubt the best controller for PC.

If you like it great, there will be those that don't - Different opinions

Of course some people are not going to like it, like the majority of m+k users who really dislike the 360 pad or ps4 pad, and that essentially is who this controller is aimed at. It's not meant to be a replacement for your gamepad, if you're happy with what you got then theres really no need to buy a SC. But for PC centric games, and the ability to move away from your desk completely, it is objectively the best PC controller, fact.

[Mumblez]

Yeah, ergonomics aside, its hands down more precise and modular. Like it or not, these 2 things are facts.

[AndyCalling]

Regarding the OP, the SC is rated very badly? Really? I see 83% of reviews showing as positive, resulting in a 'very positive' rating. Are you looking at the same thing?

[Elwood Hirsch]

引用自 BongMong：

Regarding the OP, the SC is rated very badly? Really? I see 83% of reviews showing as positive, resulting in a 'very positive' rating. Are you looking at the same thing?

He's looking at "professional" reviews.

[Mumblez]

I think most of these professional reviews are perhaps influenced by Microsoft. Nobody would get an Xbox controller for pc if they knew the steam control won at almost every turn.

And especially with it a third the price of the "elite", haha...

[Charlie]

引用自 APi：

I don't think we should be holding user reviews to the same standard as professional reviewers.

I'm not referring to the OP; and a review is a review... Let's not kid ourselves here - a lot of user reviews are far better than these ''professional' reviews.

That's only a negative review if you stop reading at page one, probably why it has so many downvotes. Sure there are negative elements but overall it's neither here nor there.

No it's not, you can read on and he points out even more things he doesn't like about said controller, even paragraphs on how it works with certain games... You do realize you can still like something about a product but not recommend it overall?

Of course some people are not going to like it

I know that, seems others in this forum wouldn't like to admit that though

like the majority of m+k users who really dislike the 360 pad or ps4 pad, and that essentially is who this controller is aimed at.

It's aimed towards those that want the comfort of a controller but the flexibility, customization and precision of a keyboard and mouse.

But for PC centric games, and the ability to move away from your desk completely, it is objectively the best PC controller, fact.

Depends on the game and what you intend to do with it, if you play RTS games and occasionally want to navigate the desktop this probably would be the best controller, still not objective.

If you played games that already have controller support but wanted to navigate the desktop you'd probably be better off getting a PS4 controller and using DS4Windows, this would probably be the best option for games with existing controller support, still subjective though.

引用自 Rent a mop：

Yeah, ergonomics aside, its hands down more precise and modular. Like it or not, these 2 things are facts.

None of them are fact; it would vary greatly depending on the user, game being played and the configuration... Hardly fact.

Modular... MODULAR? How is the Steam Controller modular? Do you even know what that word means?

- employing or involving a module or modules as the basis of design or construction.

What is modular about the design? That I can choose to have the battery cover on or off...

[Elwood Hirsch]

@GhostMotley - FINALLY LEO "If you played games that already have controller support but wanted to navigate the desktop you'd probably be better off getting a PS4 controller and using DS4Windows"

Unless you want the comfort and convenience of a controller WITH the precision and accuracy of a mouse.

[Charlie]

引用自 Elwood Hirsch：

Unless you want the comfort and convenience of a controller WITH the precision and accuracy of a mouse.

You do realize DS4Windows actually turns the PS4 trackpad into a trackpad... It works the exact same way as the Steam Controller touchpad... You can adjust speed, acceleration, smoothing etc...

Again the SC is very use-case specific.

[Elwood Hirsch]

The software makes the SC modular. I can configure the the pad as a mouse, trackball, stick etc. etc etc. Without replacing physical parts.

[Charlie]

引用自 Elwood Hirsch：

The software makes the SC modular. I can configure the the pad as a mouse, trackball, stick etc. etc etc. Without replacing physical parts.

Software doesn't make anything modular; modularity comes from construction or design of the device... As is stated in the DEFINITION... The only modular part to the SC would be the battery cover...

An example of a modular controller would be the XO Elite controller... as you can replace the stics, dpad and underslung bumpers.

[Elwood Hirsch]

引用自 GhostMotley - FINALLY LEO：

引用自 Elwood Hirsch：

Unless you want the comfort and convenience of a controller WITH the precision and accuracy of a mouse.

You do realize DS4Windows actually turns the PS4 trackpad into a trackpad... It works the exact same way as the Steam Controller touchpad... You can adjust speed, acceleration, smoothing etc...

Again the SC is very use-case specific.

Yes I do. But the SC is very configurable. see my modular comment. SC can be configured to suit the needs and even excel at many types of games.