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I gave this game as many concessions as I could, but the gear system is more bad than everything else it has to offer.
I happen to love the equipment system myself and it adds replay to it, a system you can keep on improving. The heights of power in this game are unreal I've seen people destroy the most powerful heldalf easily on ytube. The gear system is way better than vesperias which is just ripping off final fantasy 9 cept more repetitive.
Runs fast and easy on any pc, is a reasonable filesize not gargantuan for no reason like most of squares stuff now, is 5$ on sell, 10$ with an amazing dlc. This is the best value jrpg you can get on steam. 600 hours and I still play it, I can't say that for any rpg, jrpg or west. I love this game. Namco should be proud of this one. Fans shouldn't control narratives only sells and success.
And dps checks? What does that even mean? Its not a 1 hit kill like old FF games, in order to cause damage you have to combo. That's why its balanced because you can't just 1 shot everything. But you can actually, that's how much freedom this game has. Line up about 14 art attacks with rose then use her jump move. You'll see shredding enemies that's unreal.
Zestiria requires external mods to run at 60 FPS, but otherwise I do agree that it runs well and is decently priced. I've never had any Square title not run well on Steam either, though.
And by final boss DPS checks, I mean that you have to deal an absurdly high amount of damage within very small time constraints or you die to his Indignation. Which I wasn't able to do at my "on level" without skipping many fights and killing enemies as reasonably as could be expected and playing well. What was stopping me from doing it on moderate or even normal was not interacting with the dumb gear system enough to artificially inflate my damage. I don't think that's "balanced" at all, nor is it "freedom."
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you love the game and I love to see you defend it. But those points fell flat for me and you can't compel me to feel or think otherwise. And we compare it to Berseria because it's a direct prequel to the game and fits in a lot of what Zesitira needed.
Also, I agree that Zestiria is much better than Vesperia overall, but I think Vesperia's gear and skill system was only slightly less bad. I think Zestiria's gear system was even worse than Vesperia's. I also didn't care for Yuri much. The only reason I can still recommend Vesperia but not Zestiria, however, is that I think people can still find the good in Vesperia that I cannot. I don't think anyone can find the good in Zestiria, even the good I did find.
the way alisha was handled was pretty bad.
i dont mind her being gone for a while, but the fact that shes gone for good while pay walled behind a dlc gives it a rather bitter taste.
instead they could have spiced up the main story by getting her captured by the rolance empire due to her rashness and letting the party come to her rescue. basically adding one more story chapter. after that she would become a permanent companion.
also letting sorey witness her getting interrogated and tortured for the sake of information extraction would have made for a decent twist as he tried to find a way to free her.
showing him the true nature and malice of the human race.
leaving sorey in disbelieve and forcing him to overcome another obstacle while questioning his role as a shepherd.
as for the dungeons, they really needed a more unique layout.
graphically, altho it looks mostly fine, in darker areas the game looks rather strange with the glowing characters.
as for the skills and inventory system, it was too convoluted.
the base idea of a matrix with stackable skills, rows etc. isnt bad, but the execution with farming gear and combining them is.
also locking the game to 30fps is just mind boggling.
what i really liked was the human companion aspect.
the fact that they function as a mission book, giving you directions, recapitulate tasks and hints rather than having mission markers is a quite genius idea.
the overall fantasy like feeling is also pretty great. my first game was vesperia and it made me feel like a child again, while this game managed to get kinda close to it.
it is a decent game, but it could have been much more unfortunately.
The gear system is easy to understand but way too convoluted. The areas are also way too big and empty.
It's not bad but it's easily one of the worst if not the worst main tales of game.
The characters while not as well written on average are much more fun and enjoyable than beresia's besides a character or two. They aren't emo's(besides dezel) and honestly feel like a close-nit group of friends that are almost like family. Sure a few times they can be a bit over the top and sometimes should have been a bit more serious depending on current events but thats better than being edgy the entire game. A few characters could use maybe a little more depth to them but they are certainly not boring. Another case of certain things needing minor changes to better fit narrative. The gear system's skill mechanics is interesting and fun though maybe slightly too complex at times, but getting the gear with the right skills that you want is way too convoluted. Could easily be fixed by simply having the ability to choose what skills from what equipment you want to carry over or fuse with other skills for a new one. No more needing 10 pieces of gear and fuse them correctly to get the exact skills you want. Just pick and choose from a few pieces of gear. Heck maybe even allow fusion from older pieces of gear but you only get skills from it if its not the same item and no additional +1 to its count.
Combat is more complex than Berseria and harder to understand at first, but once you understand its alot more fun and allows alot of tactical choices though the camera can be a huge pain with clips into walls and the like. There is a wide range of artes to choose from, though its annoying that you can't change what it chains/combos as as well as in order to make a set for just one element. You can't choose what martial artes you can use which isn't good but could easily be changed and can very easily me made up with what artes your using. Early game battle can feel a bit slow but as soon as mid early game its faster and definitely fast by mid game. Overall while the game is flawed its still very good and fun, though as stated already half its flaws are easily fixable with minor changes to the game. If a remaster/remake is ever done, it would be awesome if they made said changes. If the developers ever do such a remake I am sure both myself and other fans would gladly put together a more concrete list of changes that would be welcomed.
Thanks to the feedback from the other posters who didn't get insulting. Don't want this thread locked or anything. Feel free to speak your mind on it, my fav jrpg ever created.
And the one thing I dislike more than the swear word you said to me, is dishonest. I'm not, I wouldn't have an opinion if it was dishonest. Now anyone can change their mind, but after 600 hours and full achievements yea I'm not changing my mind on zestiria. Love this game, to be a fan of a game on its forum and support it is dishonest? But dishonest is really stretching it. What am I dishonest about?
And what I say about fans using mob tactics or passing unfair judgements on games is true. I don't have no one backing my opinions, I'm on my own on opinions. So its easy to take the group one and slander something when its actually a very nice game. If ya don't like something ya don't like it. But I found this game to be my fav tales and I been playing these since phantasia over 20 years ago.
As for digging up my links? Who cares? I probably meant what I said, not gonna go over them though. But there's a possibility I changed my mind. If not, idc I meant what I said you don't have to like it. Pretty sure bringing other threads into a thread is off topic tho.
How rich. So you dislike being called dishonest but have no problem calling people dishonest because how dare anyone have different opinion than YOU.
You care apparently, as evident by the wall of text justifying the insults and disrespect on your OP you just posted. The same can be applied to you. Why are you making a dig on people's negative reviews? Why do you care?
True? Store page is public dude. It's 81% very positive overall. Imagine saying "I'm not dishonest", then straight up lying the next paragraph. Then in the same paragraph slandering the fans while advocating against slander two sentence later. The hypocrisy is off the chart
Zest is a chill RPG you can just sit back and enjoy. And take offense if you want, I see way more insults from you. Why do I care? Cause the game was amazing and people trying to bash it in droves, just seems strange to me.
No I strongly disagree STRONGLY. People giving criticism is fine. But trying to change the artists project is wrong and suppression of artistic freedom.
This threads boring now. And take offense at some light thing I said to the point of calling me ahole? I don't even know you, never talked to you on steam. This is why I don't trust game opinions. Only from my friends cause I trust their opinions and they actually have good taste. 90% of the crap I see on steam store looks awful btw.
And bringing up a sequel and saying its not as good. A sequel is suppose to improve on the original. Its no surprise that berseria is considered better. I'm not a judge on that cause I have not played berseria yet. But I'd expect any good sequel to improve on the original. I don't understand the reasoning behind bash this game cause of its expanded sequel. This is why imo, user reviews are kind of worth ignoring.
Worse insults? Some light thing I said? I'm just throwing what you said right back at you. But ofc it's worse because it happens to YOU now. And look at you trying to downplay your own insults as if we just gonna be okay with it. It is always the bullies who cry the loudest the moment their victims stand out to them.
And here you are throwing the biggest fit over it. More hypocrisy
And probably what most people who bought this game and enjoyed it do. Ignore the vocal minorities and just play their game. Why people say things suck in the first place. The ones who love and appreciate it could care less to debate why something sucks. With outspoken people who don't actually appreciate art or hard work. Just exist to tear down, hey I can be hard on lots of games. But the art and hard work still exist, and for gamers who aren't even paid reviewers to treat a game like it's a buggy mess, or broken, when it's actually a solid well made game? It's why I say it's picky. Anyone who truly loves this game really shouldn't argue with the circular groups because what's the point? They are all gonna have bad and negative attitudes about it. I mean look at the vile you're spitting at me. I don't deserve regardless what you frickin say.
I didn't insult any single poster personally so keep spitting venom I could care less. Not my agenda.
Also a fit more resembles what you're doing over your outrage at not hating a game. Or saying something about fans. Why not take a look at other forums. It's funny to me that the same group circles call people shills or sellouts, but you say a group of gamers don't know what they are talking about you're enemy number 1? Fine by me, I could care less I just love reading hypocrisy.
Just wanna say directed at namco thank you for making this amazing game and some of us really do appreciate it. Love it, amazing game you did wonders here.
And my point still stands that it's wrong to give a thumbs down to a game just cause something irked you. I didn't give vesperia a thumbs down. Even though I didn't particularly like the characters or story cause besides raven they all acted like moody children. It was still an amazingly artistic game, but other people are way more dismissive than me of everything now. Treat crap like it's bubsy 3d. Or mortal Kombat advance. Games that actually suck, zestiria doesn't deserve that kind of abuse this games not broken, it's solid.
And this will be the last response from me because I'm not gonna keep going back and forth with someone personally attacking me in every post cause there's no point in it. But I will explain my opinion you don't have to like it. Gaming use to be way better and more original before the internet forums started spamming hate for everything. FF7 wasn't dictated by fans. It was an original creation, so was quake, so was doom. Now since the advent of the internet we don't have unique games. Only from Indy guys with their own vision. The big names don't, new final fantasy looks like assassin's creed. It's some kinda button masher, wow no wonder I abandoned that franchise.
From what I read zestiria was what namco wanted to do, make a completely new and fresh take on tales and it was outstanding. Surprisingly good didn't even expect it to be that good. I stand by my opinion this games great and if ya don't like it ya don't like it, that's fine. But I don't have to bash anything, especially if I loved it, by the way admins if you're reading this I did not go after anyone personally with ahole and only reason I'm repeating that is cause this guy called me that. I ain't insulting any specific user.
So much twisted propaganda against a handful of negative reviewers it's insane. But woe is YOU when being called out then double down on being even more condescending. You'd be a good politician aight.