[Spoiler] Whats the deal with the Squire Pact ?

[Terfio]

On my 2nd playthrough, though i didnt do ex dungeon nor alicias dlc yet, so forgive me if its covered in any of those.

There is something fishy about the squires pact which never gets revealed AFAIK.

1) Lailah whispers to Sorey before doing the pact with alisha
2) Uno (first Lord of the land) tells something like "and you are ok with this?" when he heard alisha is soreys squire
3) the Lord of the land from Marlind says something along "i should be more considerate. The shepherd has gone astray" after hearing about alisha being the squire.

Yet after these 3 things they never bothered to mentioned it again.

At some point i thought the squire will die rather early or something like that but it showed that this was false.

However my second thought was something along the lines that its not "good" to have alisha around since he gets easily influenced by political scandals and gets rather biased possibly fighting rolance even more and get tainted by malevolence.
However in point of Marlinds Lord he doesnt know she is the princess if i remember correctly (could be worng here), but even if he'd know this mumbling doesnt really add up to my hypothesis imo.

Somehow i get the feeling that more was intended early in development. I know too that lailah has here share of worries too about sorey and everyone else, but the squire pact was never mentioned in a doubting way after getting to rolance.

So whats the deal?

[LemonCakes]

Pretty sure it was just that having Alisha as a squire would weaken Sorey's senses exponentially.

[Simon]

Everyone has something called resonance since birth. If someone's resonance is not high enough, by forming a squire pact with sorey will cause strain on the body of the shepherd like making sorey's vision blurry.That is why lailah mumbled, because she didn't want alisha to know even though she found out by herself after that. Lailah once said, by forming a pact, the squire can use the power of purification if the sheperd is nearby.

[henne]

The short version (about Alisha): Her resonance is not high enough and that puts Sorey in danger - he's losing his sight.

[Terfio]

Wasn't the blurry sight (while in marlind) a side effect of the pact he recently made with edna + constant fighting with boss mobs and all the stress he builds up and not being able to relax.

AFAIK it was never something that she takes up his power but rather doesn't progress as much and as fast as sorey. Therefore puts him in danger only because he has to look after her. Will it explicitly stated that she uses his amount of power anywhere?

[Simon]

Sorey's blurry sight and fainting isn't caused by edna, even though he is not strong enough at that time, he don't have side effect because she is seraphim. She doesn't need resonance. The game stated, with not enough resonance, you can't see seraphim or use powerful purification if made a Squire pact with the Shepherd. Like Rose have enough resonance to armatize while Alisha doesn't. Before she made the Squire pact, you do see how Lailah communicated to Alisha by cutting of some of Sorey's senses and let Sorey and Alisha hold hands right? Sorey's vision became blurry and nearly fainted because he kind of like borrowed some of his resonance to Alisha by restricting a bit of his senses. Plus, he wasn't he wasn't strong enough at that time so he nearly fainted. He didn't faint but only have blurry vision when he became strong like the time when Alisha rejoin to fight Maltran. Alisha did asked Sorey for his well-being.

[Terfio]

Originally posted by Simon:

Sorey's blurry sight and fainting isn't caused by edna, even though he is not strong enough at that time, he don't have side effect because she is seraphim.

What does that have to do with anything? He faints for 3 days when doing the pact with lailah. Sleeps 1 day after mikleo makes the sub lord pact. And then MIGHT get a bit blurry after edna joins.

Not enough time now to check other points you make. But the first part is kinda nonsense imo

[Simon]

Well, you maybe right... But you have to check other points to know the full story. Until edna made a pact, he was already "strong" enough so the fainting isn't caused by her.

[BlackRaider2012]

well I think all the problems he had on the beginning was mainly because he wasn't strong enough to make full use of shepards power, and at that time, making a squire pact would just made him evolve slower than normal. of course resonance was important too, that was very clear after Rose join his party; the higher the resonance his human partners have, the lower will be the side-effects and the burden for the shepards power and the shepard himself.

after that, all I could understand about the squire pact was that, when the pact is active and if his squire was close to him (shortly,if squire is inside shepards domain), he can't use purification and the shepard powers at its full strength. this is shown at the final boss battle when he separates himself from Rose when he do damage to the ground. He did that on purpose, to fight alone with final boss, so that he could defeat him at the end. This shows that he can only use his full powers strength only when he has no squire is close to him. Though he maybe had a second reason the to that, he wanted to be the one to kill him instead of Rose.

Note: in the alisha story DLC they give more hints about the squire pact too. Though this, too, is shown in the main story; in the alisha DLC, they made it obvious that when a pact is made, the shepards power is shared between them. So for each new squire, the shepard would lose for example a small percentage of his own power and this lost power would be the one he share with that squire. And if the squire was gone the shared power is returned to the shepard.

[Sigred]

1) Fainting after making pact with Lailah--Sorey isn't used to being a vessel for seraphim, and being bedridden for 3 days is the "standard" for a new shepherd.

2) Fainting after making pact with Mikleo--Sorey is stronger/more experienced with being a vessel than before, so he doesn't require as much rest to recover.

3) Edna--IIRC, he doesn't actually lose consciousness after his pact with Edna. He is strong enough to make additional pacts without major consequences.

4) Alisha--He gets woozy and stumbles because Alisha's resonance is so low that it is a burden his own body tries to compensate. I think of it like a circuit connected with two generators. If the output of the generators is dramatically different, it will cause a strain on the stronger generator that can cause major damage to it. Rose's resonance is on the same tier as Sorey's, and they are able to function together without detrimental effects.

[Terfio]

just saw a skit which i missed in the first playthrough. After meeting up with alisha on the bridge after returning from rolance explains it that sorey has to compensate for the squire. Dunno how i missed that skit but it happened. That nullifies my whole question :P

I still do think that the blurry vision more likly comes from the recent sublord pact with edna and the whole fighting without taking a rest.

However on the final fight i dont think he wants to fight him because he "needs" his power but more likly he want to protect rose and take this one time the burden of killing someone himself.

[BlackRaider2012]

Originally posted by Terfio:

However on the final fight i dont think he wants to fight him because he "needs" his power but more likly he want to protect rose and take this one time the burden of killing someone himself.

thats wht I think too

[Sigred]

Originally posted by Terfio:

I still do think that the blurry vision more likly comes from the recent sublord pact with edna and the whole fighting without taking a rest.

No. It is because of Alisha. This is bluntly stated in game.

[Galork Bear-son]

Originally posted by Terfio:

Originally posted by Simon:

Sorey's blurry sight and fainting isn't caused by edna, even though he is not strong enough at that time, he don't have side effect because she is seraphim.

What does that have to do with anything? He faints for 3 days when doing the pact with lailah. Sleeps 1 day after mikleo makes the sub lord pact. And then MIGHT get a bit blurry after edna joins.

Not enough time now to check other points you make. But the first part is kinda nonsense imo

If I understood right, the blurry vision is from Alisha. He was hiding it the whole time because he didn't want to worry Alisha.

[Terfio]

yea rewatched the scene without german subtitles. As far as i remember the german translation wasnt THAT obvious. Subtitles distract me too much :(

[Sofia]

Sorey WAS a bit sore from making the sub lord pact with Edna, just like Mikleo, but it's heavily implied what is going on is that the Shepherd is the one who has to compensate for the Squire's powers.

Rose has very high resonance, so all Sorey really needs to "give" her is a little bit of his power overall. Alisha, who has some but not very high resonance, needs Sorey to spend a lot more of his energy to bring Alisha up to his level. This isn't a problem later on, but at the beginning of the story Sorey isn't very good at using his powers, so it's a huge strain.

TL;DR: if the Squire doesn't have enough resonance to interact with Seraphs (Seraphim?), then the Shepherd has to spend extra energy to bring their resonance up to-level. The Shepherd is a car and the Squire is a trailer. The less resonance the Squire has the heavier the trailer and the more fuel it takes to go fast. And unfortunately, Sorey loves going very, very fast, and early on his fuel tank isn't very large or filled.