Questions I have about this game (BEATEN/SPOILERS)

[YadaYaYa]

So where did the gun from. Who made it? Why did it exist, was it the only one of it's kind. How did Zaveid get it? Where do the bullets come from? How do you make them? If it is an end game boss tool, why wasn't the game focus really on it and why did LoC not know about it at all. Who was the previous LoC for the previous shepard. How do you take the oath for powers? How does that even determine what powers you have? Lailah's powers were useless near end game so why didnt' she give up her oath and spill the beans on a complete story. Where are the iris gems previous to the current era. Why hadn't anyone murdered Alisha, the 2 year old embodiment whiny idealists w/o power. What was so important about the shrine not actually being Maotelus's if it has nothing to do with the story and they don't go in depth with it? Why is Mikleo and everyone alive again...WHat did maotelus have to say about everything. He says absolutely nothing. You don't even care about him end game. You don't even care about the five lords. So much. If seraphs are so plentiful, why didnt we see plenty. You get one per town. It's almost a barren world. Why do Zaveid and Edna embody their elements more than mikleo and lailah. Especially Zaveid and Dezel. How does anyone get to Camlann if you have to go up to Elysia and then the Mabinogi temple. Both look so far up into the sky. How do you get from Camlann to anywhere without going through the temple. How is maotelus apart of the LoC if the last shepard sacrificed a regular old human baby to curse him. And how does maotelus get trapped if he is the strongest seraph in the world and is also part of the earth? Why can't the five lords and maotelus themselves fight the hellions. What the ♥♥♥♥ were the five lords even doing this entire time. They didn't help or anything. So much uselessness in this game.

It is my 2nd fav behind symphonia though. But still, the person who wrote this kept coming up with ♥♥♥♥ out his ass and then never gave them importance. Just ♥♥♥♥ to rmr as "content". I'm pretty sure I have way more questions, but meh.

[Terfio]

i love this game but even i must say, that the story isnt its strong point.

There was a skit with Zaveid and Sorey in which Sorey asks him about the gun. Supposedly he forgot where he got it and say it was destiny, as the meeting up with Sorey was too. I somehow get the feeling that the gun itself may be the result of an oath by zaveid himself to help his friend eizen and others. Dunno about that though.

For the other questions I try just a shot in the dark (pun intended) so take it with a grain of salt since i dont claim correctness.

The gun was empowered by sorey. The power you get at the trials is actually the power of the shepard and not of the seraphs. (Therefore Zaveid could join without having to do the trial again).
So its just as those mystical artes in armetized state concentrated into the gun, shooting his friends as bullets.

Regarding other LoC. Storywise i got the feeling that this LoC is special among all LoC's since he was cursed and was massivly driven towards darkness. So i get the feeling that the regular shephard power was enough to purify or kill the older LoC's.

Iris gems were maybe just for this one too, since its a story which needed to be told but cannot be made just public. Dunno.... doesnt make much sense since Mayvin has the actually important one....

Camlann isnt as high above as Elysian. You go down in the ruins alot. Before this incident happend there could have been other entrances too. The state as it is presented in the game doesnt need to be the state it was before the incident happened, aka entranced to rolance, hyland and northern area.

As for the oath i suppose its a plain ritual the promise that you will not do something to gain specific power. Its much more a promise with precise rules.

Since i didnt give it that much thought i will stop now and see what others can come up with to fill the holes or correct me.

[YadaYaYa]

That was a nice attempt. With the Camlann entrance thing, I thought the same, but was moreso wondering why the game didn't state it in a scene or something. Also it doesn't really seem to be between the two empires at all. Maybe by map we have no access to, (which is weird imo, since you can see full map in symphonia, and understand geography)

[Lawlben]

If you play the Alisha DLC they reveal another entrance to Camlan in Glaivend Basin that opens up after the "cataclysmic battle with the LoC". Althought you have to go through 2 different caves, scale mountain cliffs and 10 floors of ruins through locked doors to get there LOL.

Edna apparently seals it but somoene opens it again, apparently Simonne, but the game doesn't actually say it was her.

Half the crap that goes on in the game isn't explained in depth, even the timeline was somewhat hazey until I read about it from an external source.

[Lawlben]

took a look at the ingame map to get some perspective

http://imgur.com/BjnSWt7

Red Circle = Camlan
Blue Circle = Ladylake
Purple Circle = Pendrago
Black Circle = Glaivend Basin, the 2nd entrance was revealed along the northern wall iirc.

[henne]

Originally posted by Yasha:

So where did the gun from. Who made it? Why did it exist, was it the only one of it's kind. How did Zaveid get it? Where do the bullets come from? How do you make them? If it is an end game boss tool, why wasn't the game focus really on it and why did LoC not know about it at all.

Zaveid was travelling with Edna's brother and got it, probably, during that adventure. The game hints towards that "northern region country" which we never visit.

Who was the previous LoC for the previous shepard.

LoCs will only be "born" if something drastic happens - just like Helldalf. So, I guess, there were many before him but not every time one dies a new one comes into being.

How do you take the oath for powers? How does that even determine what powers you have? Lailah's powers were useless near end game so why didnt' she give up her oath and spill the beans on a complete story.

The how wasn't really explained but I guess, it works just like the sublord-ing. No, if Lailah lost her powers by telling them things they did not know she would lose them and with her the rest of them, too. So no more Shepherd Sorey and his mighty subs.

Where are the iris gems previous to the current era.

I would say that Michael had to find them in order to get his hints as Sorey did as well. So they were lost when his village got attacked?

What was so important about the shrine not actually being Maotelus's if it has nothing to do with the story and they don't go in depth with it?

Which one do you mean? The one in Pendrago? If yes, people still do think that he's there. No one, not even Helldalf, knew that Michael put Maotelus into that other one.

Why is Mikleo and everyone alive again...

Dezel was pretty much dead when Sorey used him whereas the others were at full health and more or lesss imprisoned (after all they did not work at all)

WHat did maotelus have to say about everything. He says absolutely nothing. You don't even care about him end game. You don't even care about the five lords.

We did not see much of him, so it's difficult to tell if he even talks to people like at all. The Seraphim told us that these five are hardly known. For alle we know they are dead or not pure anymore themselves but helping Mao helps them.

If seraphs are so plentiful, why didnt we see plenty. You get one per town. It's almost a barren world.

If people cannot see you why would you live with them? They could live anywhere they like with many other Seraphim. Plus, the whole continent suffered without Mao. In such a case, I think, most of them just left.

Why do Zaveid and Edna embody their elements more than mikleo and lailah. Especially Zaveid and Dezel.

What do you mean?

How does anyone get to Camlann if you have to go up to Elysia and then the Mabinogi temple. Both look so far up into the sky. How do you get from Camlann to anywhere without going through the temple.

I guess the route was different when it was just a normal place. They kinda sealed off.


How is maotelus apart of the LoC if the last shepard sacrificed a regular old human baby to curse him. And how does maotelus get trapped if he is the strongest seraph in the world and is also part of the earth?

Pretty much the same as with the Sublords. Only different (lol):
Helldalf was kind of like a Shepherd while Mao was becoming a Hellion/Dragon thing. I guess, he just forced him or if we go the "Helldalf was lonely" route: Both of them wanted to have someone who could live with them. But I guess, that Helldalf forced him. Maybe Mao was even the dragon we saw during that flashback.


Why can't the five lords and maotelus themselves fight the hellions. What the ♥♥♥♥ were the five lords even doing this entire time. They didn't help or anything. So much uselessness in this game.

Mao was already lost when Helldalf came into being. About the others: Dunno, maybe they fled, are dead or became Hellions themselves.

[Lawlben]

Maybe Mao was even the dragon we saw during that flashback.

I thought the dragon seen in the flashback (iris gem) is the zombie dragon (before it died) from hexen island, you can see the calix pillars in the background.

What was so important about the shrine not actually being Maotelus's if it has nothing to do with the story and they don't go in depth with it?

Which one do you mean? The one in Pendrago? If yes, people still do think that he's there. No one, not even Helldalf, knew that Michael put Maotelus into that other one.

I'm fairy certain hes talking about the Artorius Throne, the ingame description says it's a shrine but they are not sure who it is dedicated too. One of the discovery points says it belong to one of the previous 5 lords before Maotelous and crew.

http://imgur.com/a/UsFLf

Why is Mikleo and everyone alive again...

Dezel was pretty much dead when Sorey used him whereas the others were at full health and more or lesss imprisoned (after all they did not work at all)

the dezel part is true, he died since he was at deaths door anyway.

what do you mean by they were imprisoned and didnt work ?. My understanding was they forced Heldalf out of his armatized state with maotelus, even in the final cutscene you see them floating away in their orb forms. In the Alisha DLC they are all present aswell.

they never died to begin with.

[patyos]

Originally posted by Lawlben:

I'm fairy certain hes talking about the Artorius Throne, the ingame description says it's a shrine but they are not sure who it is dedicated too. One of the discovery points says it belong to one of the previous 5 lords before Maotelous and crew.

http://imgur.com/a/UsFLf

Yep the skit in artorius Throne explains it regarding Innominat

http://imgur.com/a/xx746

Originally posted by Lawlben:

I thought the dragon seen in the flashback (iris gem) is the zombie dragon (before it died) from hexen island, you can see the calix pillars in the background.

Yes that is very noticeable that in the flashback heldalf was on Hexen island with the shape and the pillars slaying a dragon , its remains were the undead dragon at the same spot Heldalf killed it on Hexen island which is also why after the malevolence is gone from hexen island it flows immediately to heldalf making him even stronger. And also why the key to enter hexen island is from heldalf.

[YadaYaYa]

Originally posted by patyos:

Originally posted by Lawlben:

I'm fairy certain hes talking about the Artorius Throne, the ingame description says it's a shrine but they are not sure who it is dedicated too. One of the discovery points says it belong to one of the previous 5 lords before Maotelous and crew.

http://imgur.com/a/UsFLf

Yep the skit in artorius Throne explains it regarding Innominat

http://imgur.com/a/xx746

Yeah it's him/her, but isn't that mega irrelevant considering the lack of history in the game, and that Maotelus is the current god. I mean it's great as random info, but you know 0% about Innominat and his crew and honestly you know about the same for Mao and his crew.

Also, another question I have is, why did Lailah and the last shep allow Edna's brother to both, become a dragon, and also remain a dragon. Edna said he had a been a dragon for decades...or centuries and has killed many. That's a big malevolence issue.

[henne]

Originally posted by Lawlben:

Why is Mikleo and everyone alive again...

Dezel was pretty much dead when Sorey used him whereas the others were at full health and more or lesss imprisoned (after all they did not work at all)

the dezel part is true, he died since he was at deaths door anyway.

what do you mean by they were imprisoned and didnt work ?. My understanding was they forced Heldalf out of his armatized state with maotelus, even in the final cutscene you see them floating away in their orb forms. In the Alisha DLC they are all present aswell.

they never died to begin with.

I didn't mean to say they died, sorry, if it sounded like that.
What I meant to say:
The first three shots didn't seem to do anything to Helldalf aside from HP damage. He didn't seem to lose his controll or anything like that and even after the last shot he was still there and Mao was still trapped, too. That is why I think that the others didn't really do anything, aside from weakening him. Mao was freed at the very end.

[Lawlben]

Yeah it's him/her, but isn't that mega irrelevant considering the lack of history in the game, and that Maotelus is the current god. I mean it's great as random info, but you know 0% about Innominat and his crew and honestly you know about the same for Mao and his crew.

It just seems like world building to me, it's saying that through out Zestiria history the people have worshipped different seraphim

Also, another question I have is, why did Lailah and the last shep allow Edna's brother to both, become a dragon, and also remain a dragon. Edna said he had a been a dragon for decades...or centuries and has killed many. That's a big malevolence issue

Lailah says that she didn't know that there was a dragon on the mountain, I'm assuming this is because they last met before Eizan was a dragon.

The last shepard Michael was only 20 years, the shepard before Michael was 200+ years ago.

IIRC Lailah is atleast 750 years old