Farrest , Tempescht or Wundor?

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I'm farming stacks for BG fast-recovery. Which one is the best?

[ventus925]

Farrest.

[pengusaur]

Tempescht has been working out pretty well for me - at 7 stack it's +30 or 40% (somewhere around that) instant BG refill for doing a 10-hit combo. Ez-peazy!

Farrest I've heard works better though, because it can stack up way higher than Tempescht can.

[myarmor]

Originally posted by pengusaur:

Tempescht has been working out pretty well for me - at 7 stack it's +30 or 40% (somewhere around that) instant BG refill for doing a 10-hit combo. Ez-peazy!

Farrest I've heard works better though, because it can stack up way higher than Tempescht can.

Isn't that almost the same as doing a quick evade with no skills on that row?
I mean, 3-4 quick evades fills 1 BG (but it is obviously slower than a 10-hit combo)

I don't think I ever got the hang of chain blast.. (basically combo chaining)
Often it did one of the other blasts instead so I disabled almost all the others, and still it is
hit and miss.

I guess thats why I focused on the last row and armatization instead.

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i will go Farrest. I wanna make sure all my party members are in max BG and I can perform a full Friendly Link MA :-D

[ooji.karasuma1]

It really depends on what you want to use the BG for. If you want to spam Mystic arte for mob farming, for example during crucible runs, then go Wundor.

If you are looking to build up BG during prolonged boss fight, and if you guard a lot, then Farrest is good. However, if you decided to max Farrest and do a lot of guarding, then I think you probably need to supplement it with max priventi and primor. Because without these skills, you will take damage during guarding and this means you can't guard for prolonged period of time and take full advantage of Farrest.

I have max Farrest and Priventi, and when I am low on BG I just guard to recharge. Work like a charm.

By the way, if you are farming mimic giants and have infinite gald, i suggest you buy elixirs from dark turtlex emporium or katz korner. You can use them outside battle to max everyone BG before entering battle.

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Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

However, if you decided to max Farrest and do a lot of guarding, then I think you probably need to supplement it with max priventi and primor. Because without these skills, you will take damage during guarding and this means you can't guard for prolonged period of time and take full advantage of Farrest.

Erm, I need to really guard enemy's hit? I thought i just need to press the Guard Button and wait for the Green light blast on my character then this will be the enough already?

[myarmor]

Originally posted by Normin Tamer:

Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

However, if you decided to max Farrest and do a lot of guarding, then I think you probably need to supplement it with max priventi and primor. Because without these skills, you will take damage during guarding and this means you can't guard for prolonged period of time and take full advantage of Farrest.

Erm, I need to really guard enemy's hit? I thought i just need to press the Guard Button and wait for the Green light blast on my character then this will be the enough already?

Do you expect to be left alone while guarding?
That probably won't be the case, and priventi is extremely useful overall.

Each point in it shaves 30 dmg of each hit. Basically, you get immune to damage
lower than that. I use it together with the rest of the last row.

Btw, priventi+pennetrayt (don't stagger when damage is lower than X) works nicely to
ensure you can cast spells in peace most of the time (while being bashed around).

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Originally posted by myarmor:

Originally posted by Normin Tamer:

Erm, I need to really guard enemy's hit? I thought i just need to press the Guard Button and wait for the Green light blast on my character then this will be the enough already?

Do you expect to be left alone while guarding?
That probably won't be the case, and priventi is extremely useful overall.

Each point in it shaves 30 dmg of each hit. Basically, you get immune to damage
lower than that. I use it together with the rest of the last row.

Btw, priventi+pennetrayt (don't stagger when damage is lower than X) works nicely to
ensure you can cast spells in peace most of the time (while being bashed around).

I expect to abuse the guard system to charge BG. That's why i consider to use Farrest.
By saying 'abuse the guard system', I mean to use [Attack Step] - (frontstepping acts as an attack) and [Blast Charge] - (defend 1.5 sec or more to increase BG).
I front step a mob and def for 1.5 sec can gain 1/4 of BG, repeat these 2 steps again and gain another 1/4 of BG (2/4 BG now). Repeat these for 4 sets and I can fully charge a BG.

So if Farrest works efficiently only when mob needs to hit me, then my 'abuse the guard system' won't help much in this case.

And yes, i already had Preventi X 2 permananetly and will definitely farm Preventi as well.

[ooji.karasuma1]

Hmm I have always though Farrest only work when you get attacked during guarding. Not sure if it affects blast charging. I will have to test it.

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Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

Hmm I have always though Farrest only work when you get attacked during guarding. Not sure if it affects blast charging. I will have to test it.

Ooji, please test it if you already have many Farrest with you.. Currently I don't have many Farrest yet so I can't test.. :-(

Tell me after you tested :-)

[ooji.karasuma1]

Ok I have just tested it. I can't quite accurately measure the amount of BG you gain but what I did was compare the amount of time needed to gain a full BG charge. And I can confirm with or without max Farrest, you need to blast charge (meaning guarding without being attacked) at least 5-6 times in human form to gain a full BG charge. I don't think this is very practical in a battle. The amount of BG you gain is definitely less than a quarter.

However, when I guard against attacks in human form, with max Farrest, I gain almost half a full BG charge per guarded attack. I think the amount of BG you gain varies with the number of hits of your enemy attacks. Certain attacks make me gain more than half a full BG charge while others make me gain less. But regardless of the situation, I can confirm that with max Farrest I gain a full BG charge much quicker if I guard compared to with no Farrest at all. When I guard against multiple enemies attacking me in Sorey's crucible, I gain a full BG charge in 1-2 second with max Farrest. Without Farrest, it took me at around 4-5 sec to gain a full BG charge. The difference is really noticeable when I entered a crucible with another Seraphim. Both characters get attacked but Sorey regain BG charge much faster than the other Seraphim withou tFarrest.

However, it must be noted that your BG refill REALLY slowly when you are armatized. Even with max Farrest, when I guard against enemies I gained only 1/5 or 1/6 of a full BG charge. But without Farrest, I gain almost no noticeable BG when guarding. So Farrest helps but I am not sure if you will find it helpful.

When you armatized the best way to gain BG is quick evade. Just one quick evade gives me more than a half a BG charge. So you can set auto quick evade battle action and gain BG this way. Alternatively, when you are low on BG in armatized form, dearmatize, block some attacks in human form to refill your BG, then armatize again.

TL DR: Farrest only helps when you get hit. And it is more helpful in human form than armatized.

[myarmor]

Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

TL DR: Farrest only helps when you get hit. And it is more helpful in human form then armatized.

Iow, if you want to use Farrest it is recommended to give some attention to Priventi too
because block/guarding won't negate ALL damage.

Quick-evade if very effective in building BG, but it is quite hard to get the timing right as it
varies alot from one enemy(type) to the next.

[ooji.karasuma1]

Originally posted by myarmor:

Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

TL DR: Farrest only helps when you get hit. And it is more helpful in human form then armatized.

Iow, if you want to use Farrest it is recommended to give some attention to Priventi too
because block/guarding won't negate ALL damage.

Man Priventi is so sick. I regretted maxing my Invalada since it is almost useless against most of the human bosses. The battle took quite long and invalada usually doesn't last long enough to protect you against Mystic Arte. But Priventi is insane if you are bad at dodging. Even the turtlez couldn't one shot me on Chaos. Couple it wih Phoenix and you just can't die lol

But Priventi or any defensive skills aren't so helpful if you have double damage battle action ON. SO make sure you turn it off

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Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

Ok I have just tested it. I can't quite accurately measure the amount of BG you gain but what I did was compare the amount of time needed to gain a full BG charge. And I can confirm with or without max Farrest, you need to blast charge (meaning guarding without being attacked) at least 5-6 times in human form to gain a full BG charge. I don't think this is very practical in a battle. The amount of BG you gain is definitely less than a quarter.

However, when I guard against attacks in human form, with max Farrest, I gain almost half a full BG charge per guarded attack. I think the amount of BG you gain varies with the number of hits of your enemy attacks. Certain attacks make me gain more than half a full BG charge while others make me gain less. But regardless of the situation, I can confirm that with max Farrest I gain a full BG charge much quicker if I guard compared to with no Farrest at all. When I guard against multiple enemies attacking me in Sorey's crucible, I gain a full BG charge in 1-2 second with max Farrest. Without Farrest, it took me at around 4-5 sec to gain a full BG charge. The difference is really noticeable when I entered a crucible with another Seraphim. Both characters get attacked but Sorey regain BG charge much faster than the other Seraphim withou tFarrest.

However, it must be noted that your BG refill REALLY slowly when you are armatized. Even with max Farrest, when I guard against enemies I gained only 1/5 or 1/6 of a full BG charge. But without Farrest, I gain almost no noticeable BG when guarding. So Farrest helps but I am not sure if you will find it helpful.

When you armatized the best way to gain BG is quick evade. Just one quick evade gives me more than a half a BG charge. So you can set auto quick evade battle action and gain BG this way. Alternatively, when you are low on BG in armatized form, dearmatize, block some attacks in human form to refill your BG, then armatize again.

TL DR: Farrest only helps when you get hit. And it is more helpful in human form than armatized.

I managed to get my Farrest at 150% effect and tested 5 mins ago. Yes like you said, I can't apply farrest in my "abuse guard system". Sad. I think I will get Tempescht instead but I don't have idea how effective it is. Do you have many Tempescht? Is it very good to you?

[myarmor]

Originally posted by ooji.karasuma1:

Originally posted by myarmor:

Iow, if you want to use Farrest it is recommended to give some attention to Priventi too
because block/guarding won't negate ALL damage.

Man Priventi is so sick. I regretted maxing my Invalada since it is almost useless against most of the human bosses. The battle took quite long and invalada usually doesn't last long enough to protect you against Mystic Arte. But Priventi is insane if you are bad at dodging. Even the turtlez couldn't one shot me on Chaos. Couple it wih Phoenix and you just can't die lol

But Priventi or any defensive skills aren't so helpful if you have double damage battle action ON. SO make sure you turn it off

Somehow you are describing me in the text I've bolded.
I've only (relatively) recently begun to get what I would call decent in regard to evading, and
that is only because of two of the battle actions (those requiring 300 and 1000 evades) + gold mimic.

Invalada sounds soo good..until you notice that number is per battle (I made that
mistake for a while). Simple math would tell you that you're more likely to benefit from a
lesser number per hit, than a somewhat big number per battle.
Especially combined with pennetrayt & co.

That last note is somewhat obvious when thinking about it..as it boosts damage but
not the "shield" (at least on the player's end).
Oh, you can die all right, just not as quickly as you do without.